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I would imagine your account would carry over. It may be as simple as going into the orbis network/my downloads and redownload whatever you have pre purchased. Granted i think that depends on if orbis uses cell.

If it doesnt use cell, then i believe nothing from the current psn would work.

It would be nice if games that were retooled to run on orbis structure was available to people who have purhased them originally through psn for free, but doubtful. Also if ps3 games came to the orbis network and you have save files tied to your account ( trophies ) then you get ti download the updated version. Doubtfull as many ( myself included)would be borrowing a ton of games from friends, picking up a couple trophies and eventually getting games free. It is to exploitable.

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I would imagine your account would carry over. It may be as simple as going into the orbis network/my downloads and redownload whatever you have pre purchased. Granted i think that depends on if orbis uses cell.

If it doesnt use cell, then i believe nothing from the current psn would work.

It would be nice if games that were retooled to run on orbis structure was available to people who have purhased them originally through psn for free, but doubtful. Also if ps3 games came to the orbis network and you have save files tied to your account ( trophies ) then you get ti download the updated version. Doubtfull as many ( myself included)would be borrowing a ton of games from friends, picking up a couple trophies and eventually getting games free. It is to exploitable.

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But what about PS3 discs? Would they work in PS4/Orbis if the architecture is changed from CELL to something else?
 
I highly doubt it. I am truly computer stupid tho. Just basing my thoughts on what ive read and the fact that ps2 games no lo ger work in ps3 due to the rwmoval of the ps2 chipset. ( forget what it was called only because i need to type it)

I could be 100% off on my theory.
 
But what about PS3 discs? Would they work in PS4/Orbis if the architecture is changed from CELL to something else?

Well the blu-ray format is no worry since they should re-use it. They could support hardware or software emulation of PS3 games(Perhaps even PS2 or PS1) as the PS3 has done it when there was fat models that could emulate the PS2 games without the PS2 CPU and GPU.
 
Well the blu-ray format is no worry since they should re-use it. They could support hardware or software emulation of PS3 games(Perhaps even PS2 or PS1) as the PS3 has done it when there was fat models that could emulate the PS2 games without the PS2 CPU and GPU.

The disc format is irrelevent, the fact is to play PS3 games the PS4 is going to need a CELL CPU for emulation, I highly doubt they could manage CELL software emulation inside x86.
 
the PS3 has done it when there was fat models that could emulate the PS2 games without the PS2 CPU and GPU.
No there weren't. To play PS2 games the PS3 needed at least the latter.






If Sony drops CELL, even if they stay with a PowerPC architecture, don't hold your breath about there being any PS3 game BC. Maybe for PSN stuff that is multiplatform, but we'd be lucky if we got a similar set up to what Microsoft did with original XBox games on the 360.
 
Well software and hardware emulation has been done in the past such as pcsx2(I've not played the new release from August yet), pcsx(great PS1 emulator), and much more. If a person working for free(supported by donations at times) can make a stable emulator then I bet Sony can make a stable emulator for the PS4. Heck they even did software emulation for the 80GB fat PS3 that didn't have the PS2 chips in it and only a few games would not work at all until updates.

@Toronado: I just checked some information and I see what you mean. Sorry, my information was wrong. I didn't know the 80GB fat model in America had the GPU chip in it but was missing the CPU chip.
 
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Heck they even did software emulation for the 80GB fat PS3 that didn't have the PS2 chips in it
No they didn't and yes it did. All PS3 models that played PS2 disc games had at least the PS2 GPU in them, which was always a complete SOB to program for and emulate because of the way it handled VRAM.





And you're talking about emulating a system that is considerably more powerful and much more complex than even that.
 
Well the graphics will be no better for a ps3 game on the ps4, and most on here should have a ps3 so why need an emulator when you have the really deal. Still gonna be over the same PSN and same Servers (im guessing). Good to hear the Dev Kit 2.0 though, gotta be closing in now then....
 
That being said, if you buy games on PSN that also come out for XBL and Steam and whatnot (and thus aren't really developed with the PS3 in mind), I would not be surprised to see if there was some sort of BC for those games.
 
Even if graphics quality was improved, besides smoother motion and less jagged edges you really wouldn't be able to see an improvement with the current resolution TV's. It would take a higher res TV to be able to see it, and I don't even think the human eye can process anything higher than 1080p.
 
Even if graphics quality was improved, besides smoother motion and less jagged edges you really wouldn't be able to see an improvement with the current resolution TV's. It would take a higher res TV to be able to see it, and I don't even think the human eye can process anything higher than 1080p.

It certainly can, anyone who has seen a demo of 4k or even 8k (People that saw a demo of this at the Olympics said it was like being in the stadium) will attest to that.

The "problem" with complete software emulation is that you require hardware several times more powerful than the console you're trying to emulate, hence why the PC is still struggling to emulate PS2 games with PCs several times faster than a PS2. Although that is also down to the complexity of the EE in the PS2, hence why early PS3s had the EE chip.

Throw in different architecture into the emulation and it get's even harder.
 


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but we'd be lucky if we got a similar set up to what Microsoft did with original XBox games on the 360.

I was always under the impression that the 360 did not support the original Xbox's games.

If the NextBox supports 360 games then that's a massive motivation for me to get it to be able to catch up on this gen's 360 exclusives (Halo 4 and Forza).

However, I wonder if the PSN will still be free?
 
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Even if graphics quality was improved, besides smoother motion and less jagged edges you really wouldn't be able to see an improvement with the current resolution TV's. It would take a higher res TV to be able to see it, and I don't even think the human eye can process anything higher than 1080p.

Surely you can can't be serious.
 
Even if graphics quality was improved, besides smoother motion and less jagged edges you really wouldn't be able to see an improvement with the current resolution TV's. It would take a higher res TV to be able to see it, and I don't even think the human eye can process anything higher than 1080p.

I play a game on my smart phone then watch an HD video of a PC game being played on a Highend PC, despite both video and games being 720p The details can easily be seen on the same size screen and there is vast difference.
 
Don't you know we see in 1080p. I used to but the lady at the DMV told me I now see in 1080i and will need contacts soon. Getting old is a 🤬

Your eyes are now capable of interlacing? That's impressive.

To be serious for a moment I think he was probably referring to the screen size and resolution ratio, below certain sizes he is right in saying a human eye couldn't perceive the difference between 1080p and anything more detailed. But certainly with a big enough physical screen size we can see detail about 1080p.
 
Those are just myths. The larger resolution just allows you to see more detail. I've never ever had a eye doctor tell me my eyes are 240P, 480i, or even 1080p in the past 17 years. That is just downright stupid. To be able to tell difference in the resolution of your vision is called Visual Acuity. She could of gotten it confused with that.
 
Those are just myths. The larger resolution just allows you to see more detail. I've never ever had a eye doctor tell me my eyes are 240P, 480i, or even 1080p in the past 17 years. That is just downright stupid. To be able to tell difference in the resolution of your vision is called Visual Acuity. She could of gotten it confused with that.

It was a joke and an obvious one at that I thought.:dopey:
 
Anyway...

I have my reservations about BC games on PS4, but then I thought to myself I'll still have my PS3 anyway, so that's taken care of.
 
Your eyes are now capable of interlacing? That's impressive.

To be serious for a moment I think he was probably referring to the screen size and resolution ratio, below certain sizes he is right in saying a human eye couldn't perceive the difference between 1080p and anything more detailed. But certainly with a big enough physical screen size we can see detail about 1080p.

No I think he is just stupid.

Probably thinks the same thing about 30 fps, or 60 fps.

Never heard anything about 1080p though. Is that the new cool fact going around now?
 
First I've heard someone say that to be honest, that's why I though he was referring to screen size/distance.
 
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