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From the article:
As Swedish MP Andreas Norlén, initiator and driving force behind the law, stated: "I do not think it takes very many prosecutions before a signal is transmitted in the community that the Internet is not a lawless country — the sheriff is back in town."
A multitude of online sources reported on this new law as one that "criminalizes online criticism of immigrants," and as such, the news went viral on European immigration critical websites. But is this a correct assessment of this new law?
According to the Swedish parliament, the new law will effectively abolish existing barriers that prevented people from pressing charges if their alleged defamation occurred online instead of in real life. It will facilitate and improve Sweden's ability to participate in international legal cooperation on matters covered by the Freedom of the Press and Freedom of Speech, and it enables people to avoid having to pay for the other party's legal costs.
On paper, this might sound reasonable, and there is a chance the practical results will remain reasonable as well. The problem is that within the extremely politically correct culture of Sweden, questions, insults and criticism are often viewed as one and the same. Mikael Jalving, the Danish journalist and author of the book "Absolute Sweden" stated: "Sweden's leftist establishment and media believe a cornerstone of their perfect society is multiculturalism — large-scale immigration from some of the poorest, most backward nations on Earth — and Swedes who disagree with that plan risk being labeled racist, fascist, even Nazi."
Even the immigrants themselves do not seem to be allowed to challenge immigration policy or immigrant culture. Last year, a Somali-born female journalist, critical of immigrant culture, was intimidated to such an extent by the Swedish journalistic establishment that she decided Mogadishu was a safer place for her than Sweden.
As Swedish MP Andreas Norlén, initiator and driving force behind the law, stated: "I do not think it takes very many prosecutions before a signal is transmitted in the community that the Internet is not a lawless country — the sheriff is back in town."
A multitude of online sources reported on this new law as one that "criminalizes online criticism of immigrants," and as such, the news went viral on European immigration critical websites. But is this a correct assessment of this new law?
According to the Swedish parliament, the new law will effectively abolish existing barriers that prevented people from pressing charges if their alleged defamation occurred online instead of in real life. It will facilitate and improve Sweden's ability to participate in international legal cooperation on matters covered by the Freedom of the Press and Freedom of Speech, and it enables people to avoid having to pay for the other party's legal costs.
On paper, this might sound reasonable, and there is a chance the practical results will remain reasonable as well. The problem is that within the extremely politically correct culture of Sweden, questions, insults and criticism are often viewed as one and the same. Mikael Jalving, the Danish journalist and author of the book "Absolute Sweden" stated: "Sweden's leftist establishment and media believe a cornerstone of their perfect society is multiculturalism — large-scale immigration from some of the poorest, most backward nations on Earth — and Swedes who disagree with that plan risk being labeled racist, fascist, even Nazi."
Even the immigrants themselves do not seem to be allowed to challenge immigration policy or immigrant culture. Last year, a Somali-born female journalist, critical of immigrant culture, was intimidated to such an extent by the Swedish journalistic establishment that she decided Mogadishu was a safer place for her than Sweden.
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I see. A bunch of alarmist nonsense, and a bunch of biased sources. As expected.
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Except for the slight issue that it doesn't allow people to be changed for being critical, it makes it slightly easier to bring charges for defamation.
However I didn't expect the Gatestone Institute to be straight on that point, but citing the Gates Of Vienna as a source is a bit far right even for them.
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You said that everyone has, at some point, been a victim. As a straight white male, I've yet to be discriminated against. Yes, we might all have been a victim of something at some point, but that doesn't mean that everyone's the victim of the same thing.
This isn't what the MGS V trailer is about. At all.
It's about the concept that language creates culture and different languages create different cultures; that eliminating language eliminates cultural differences and is, thus, the way to the unified world The Boss envisioned. It's about linguistic relativity.
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A quick peek at Famine's political compass reveals liberalism to be well within the authoritarian range, little different from conservatives in this respect.
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I'm well aware of that. KSaiyu's post implies that tyranny is the exclusive domain of the political left. It's not. Anyone on any side of politics can be a tyrant. This is what Auden had to say about it:
"Perfection, of a kind, is what he was after,
And the poetry he invented was easy to understand.
He knew human folly like the back of his hand,
And he was greatly interested in armies and fleets.
When he laughed, respectable senators burst with laughter,
And when he cried, the little children died in the streets."
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But these are the exact aims of political correctness....
This new strain is. Just like extreme "Right wing"
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Hey, now that marriage equality is in all 50 states, maybe the confederate battle flag-wavers could "assert their heritage" like Strom Thrummond and the Dixiecrats did when they adopted the "Stars and Bars" for their cause.
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Every pure democracy is a tyranny (of the majority). The US is not a democracy because of this. It is a constitutionally-limited republic.
Tyranny is exaggeration, but there must be some civil rules for everybody to follow, if we are to keep civilized society. Without strict rules, people are selfish sheep and will do whatever they want, as long as it benefits them. Look how strict Singapore is on litter and chewing gums and nobody complains. We need some of that common-sense order in the West.
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Ash, so close. Still both southernerns though.
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The husband of the current candidate for the Democrat nomination was quite fond of the flag as well not so long ago:
Is that genuine? The stars are normally vertical and the whole aspect ratio looks weird. Couldn't find any similar memorabilia from the campaign on eBay, although as I mentioned elsewhere they may have taken that down.
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I'm a tad skeptical as well as it seems there are only a handful of image results for "Clinton Gore confederate flag" and most of those are just the same image posted above or a crappy looking button that's obviously not official.
Considering how many people collect presidential campaign memorabilia it just seems odd that there isn't a wider range of examples to support the legitimacy of them.
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https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/attack-on-gas-plant-in-france.330807/page-6
Maybe over here then @Noob616?
Bolded = no. There's actually a massive difference there, and the fact that.....
.... is testament to the difference. Not an argument, not a war, not an exercise in mud slinging. Turns out that maybe some of us are more alike when disagreeing than others are when agreeing. It's perhaps where an alignment of thought process rather than end thought is recognised, and esteemed - even if only subconsciously. Some simply don't have that capacity, which is easy to miss when in agreement with them.
If we go back to the question of what breeds extremism, I think that not recognising non-extremism is a big deal. People like you and @TenEightyOne will see me writing all sorts of stuff here. Your reactions to the content might vary from wholeheartedly agreeing, right through to "Oooh, that's a bit off", but I think never losing sight of the bigger picture that is presented - and tempering. To be blunt, I'm not sure that @prisonermonkeys has that capacity. Though equally, throwing around "liberal", "pc", "blah blah" crap willy nilly denotes a mind with an equivalent buckle wheel rating.
In short - while @prisonermonkeys and @KSaiyu seem to want to save the world from each other, I'd like to save the world from both of them.
* I do have my suspicions over who will take that on chin and who won't mind you.
Maybe over here then @Noob616?
Bolded = no. There's actually a massive difference there, and the fact that.....
.... is testament to the difference. Not an argument, not a war, not an exercise in mud slinging. Turns out that maybe some of us are more alike when disagreeing than others are when agreeing. It's perhaps where an alignment of thought process rather than end thought is recognised, and esteemed - even if only subconsciously. Some simply don't have that capacity, which is easy to miss when in agreement with them.
If we go back to the question of what breeds extremism, I think that not recognising non-extremism is a big deal. People like you and @TenEightyOne will see me writing all sorts of stuff here. Your reactions to the content might vary from wholeheartedly agreeing, right through to "Oooh, that's a bit off", but I think never losing sight of the bigger picture that is presented - and tempering. To be blunt, I'm not sure that @prisonermonkeys has that capacity. Though equally, throwing around "liberal", "pc", "blah blah" crap willy nilly denotes a mind with an equivalent buckle wheel rating.
In short - while @prisonermonkeys and @KSaiyu seem to want to save the world from each other, I'd like to save the world from both of them.
* I do have my suspicions over who will take that on chin and who won't mind you.
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And you genuinely think that the best way to do that is to post in such a way that you pretty much just show up late to the party and try to discredit people through rhetorical blustering? However noble your intentions might be, your attitude is self-serving at best. You're not saving anybody from anything; you're just telling yourself that you are to justify your actions.
