POLL: Do You Like The <1,000,000 Cr. Gift Restriction?

[JediRage]

I am 100% aware of that, it is the main reason I'm so entertained by this and similar threads as you are




What was the purpose of your great intervention big Jedi? Not enough Mitochlorans in your body? I can "grind" some for you, I have no problem in fighting Imperial forces instead of just pretending to fight them while trading LightSabers at Tatooine markets.

Right, so elitists here making an argument typically make a 'cool' joke about the other person's handle. Alright, if you feel so 'offended' surgeon, go worry about your patients. No good preaching how to play GT5 while someone's sick in your precious line of work right?

Isn't negligence an offense in medicine? Or is the law so lax in Croatia that a surgeon can take some time off of his operations?

Wait, are you pretending to be a surgeon? ... Like I'm pretending to be a Jedi?

 

[Tomo78]

This is my first forum post & unfortunately it's not a positive one. I have put GT5 on this morning to find an update, after the update I am now unable to send my brother his F1 car he loaned me yesterday due to this stupid restriction on gifts. Really what is the point putting a feature on if its only partly useable, its the same with selling cars. A select few cars you can't sell, why? PD are simply making this game a steaming pile by ruining features. Take for example the seasonal events, the first 2 batches of seasonal where brilliant. They where difficult yet rewarding, you had to race standard cars & drive properly to even get near the top 3 BUT obviously some little chav that can't play the game moaned "It's too hard, why can't you tune the cars?" & PD changed it & in my opinion ruined it, learn to drive properly you little b*ll end. I'm really getting annoyed by the changes & seriously am considering trading it in. Does anyone know if you can email PD or Sony to kick off & tell them the error of their ways or is it just a waste of time?

 

[Vautwin]

And I can't do the same with a sub 1 million credit car? That's more than enough to help someone who's just getting started out, but it will have a decent effect on the duplication of stuff like Formula cars, LMPs and the like.

Never said you cant just pointed out that it is human nature to give but infact giving means receiving. So every gift is a trade.
That's why it is called trade of, unfortunately you have to get rid off something more or less valuable to you to get something back that normally is more valuable. (for more details read Marcel Maus about the gift.)

So again they didnt get the duping problem by the root but made a halfway statement that probably they do not like what the comunity done to the game.
So why did they unlock the save files. That is where the problem started. Keeping the info stored in their servers would cist them money. So to guarantee people they could retrieve their data after GT destroyed the PS3 they had to unlock, probably because it would be illegal to keep it locked. And implementing such a feature as gifting They should and they new it was gonna happen after all they programmed the game. And as said before banning the ones that are guilty is a no go in the situation where Playstation is fighting with microsoft.

 

[Mr. S]

Well, will only take longer to complete my collection now. Well played, PD.

 

[Luminis]

Right, so elitists here making an argument typically make a 'cool' joke about the other person's handle.

From my experience, the dupers have usually been the ones with the condecending, elitist attitude.

Your quote below kinda proves that point.

Alright, if you feel so 'offended' surgeon, go worry about your patients. No good preaching how to play GT5 while someone's sick in your precious line of work right?

Isn't negligence an offense in medicine? Or is the law so lax in Croatia that a surgeon can take some time off of his operations?

Did it ever occur to you that evebn a surgeon might have some sparetime? But, yeah, that's the attitude that makes me enjoys this kind of thread.

Never said you cant just pointed out that it is human nature to give but infact giving means receiving. So every gift is a trade.
That's why it is called trade of, unfortunately you have to get rid off something more or less valuable to you to get something back that normally is more valuable. (for more details read Marcel Maus about the gift.)

From a philosophical standpoint, yes, a gift is a trade. As far as the simple definition of words go, there's a clear difference between gifiting and trading.
Plus, trading cars is different from the kind of 'trade' a gift can be from a philosophical point of view.

So again they didnt get the duping problem by the root but made a halfway statement that probably they do not like what the comunity done to the game.

They had to unlock the savegames, because, simply put, duping would be the lesser of two evils. Limiting the trading might not get rid of it completely, but duping GT500 cars isn't going to get you very far. In fact, I doubt that it's worth the hassle.

The only other option would be to abandon trading completely, which would mean loosing a bullet point for GT5, which is probably a no go. Plus, the limit still allows for gifting of giftings sake and trading a few ellusive cars from the UCD (if you're into that kind of stuff).
And since the majority of the cars isn't all that expensive, it's not that big of a deal - it hits dupers the hardest. Granted, some otheras are hit as well, but so did the utter devaluation of cars when the duping fiest started.

 

[JediRage]

From my experience, the dupers have usually been the ones with the condecending, elitist attitude.

Your quote below kinda proves that point.


Did it ever occur to you that evebn a surgeon might have some sparetime? But, yeah, that's the attitude that makes me enjoys this kind of thread.

Are you his nurse? I'd say sidekick, but since we're somehow talking about Jedis and surgeons, nurse seems a better word in context.

 

[R390GT1'97]

You need to be able trade at the same time rather than this you first no you first rubbish. It should fix the scamming problem.

 

[Vautwin]

I voted for like, but ultimately the problem isnt with trading itself, its with duping. If they could prevent duping I'd be happy for people to trade cars etc despite the fact I have never sent or received any cars and have no plans to either. I resent the fact that there are a million x1's out there when I have earned the two I have the hard way. The x1 was meant to be a milestone in the game, something to aspire to get, something that was earned from hours and hours of gameplay. Duping pretty much killed off any prestige the game had. I only wish they had done this sooner tbh if this is the only feasible way to prevent cheating.

Honestly you aspire in getting the clown vettel car omg. I'd rather have any of the Batmobils in the game, they are as realistic as an X1 and do physically exist, even if the performance aint like in the movies it still performs unlike the. Blueprint an x1 is. Every car is fancier than the X1 in my opinion. X1 is what made this limitation come to us. X1 is the root of all evil. It gave birt to Hitler &#57605;

 

[Luminis]

Are you his nurse? I'd say sidekick, but since we're somehow talking about Jedis and surgeons, nurse seems a better word in context.

Nope. I don't need to be affiliated to someone to call you out on the BS you just wrote.

 

[Mr. S]

From my experience, the dupers have usually been the ones with the condecending, elitist attitude.

Please keep in mind that some people are duping cars because they want to share their stuff instead of keeping them for their own enjoyment - yet love cars and want to collect them. Some of them don't even play online, so it's not even related to "own" others due to the size of their garage. :>)

 

[pgzzz]

I made 200,000 cr yesterday whilst I was at work simply because my mate used my drivers in his remote b spec races.

That's great - If he does that every day for an entire year you will have enough money for Miura, Both Ferrari F1's, Ferrari 330, Ford 67 race car, and Jaguar XJR13. Certainly a reasonable prize - 6 cars for 8 hours a day, 7 days a week for a year.

Problem is, some people don't quite have that amount of spare time.

 

[Mortuus]

I hate it, i still have a few cars i would like to trade, no point having lots of cars when ucant use them.. whats next remove all highend cars?

 

[Luminis]

Please keep in mind that some people are duping cars because they want to share their stuff instead of keeping them to their own - yet love cars and want to collect them. Some of them don't even play online, so it's not even related to "own" others due to the size of their garage. :>)

I'm not saying everyone's like that who's ever duped a car; far from it. I can see why people would do so, actually.

However, whenever the debate about duping arose, it was usually the 'pro-duping' faction which sported a usually condescending attitude to anyone who wouldn't agree with them.

 

[dark_ruffo]

They should increase money prizes then.

 

[Mr. S]

I'm not saying everyone's like that who's ever duped a car; far from it. I can see why people would do so, actually.

However, whenever the debate about duping arose, it was usually the 'pro-duping' faction which sported a usually condescending attitude to anyone who wouldn't agree with them.

Hands down, I have to agree.

 

[ShadowManIRV]

You must be fun at parties.

Well i am coz i actually DO RACES and not p i s s about with my x1 on the top gear test track. like a lot of mugs do.....
the main point of online play is to challenge people in races not " hey i got a veyron for swap/trade" bore me later....i won the veyron along time ago...

 

[Vautwin]

No not only from the Phylosophical point, it is human nature, pyramid of needs rings any bells. Humans are egoists and that is what got us on top of the food chain.
That is how civilisation works, so wanna hit dupers why not chase em down and get em banned? You know what i mean? But sony might have a problem with. That's why belgium still dont has a governement. Democratys are weack, wouldt haplen with a dictator. If you fo something do it right or not at all. They didnt get rid of Saddam in the first Gulf war now they are back there.

Here is a link to my garage feel free to find a car u want: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=139015

 

[kovacs]

I like it, but it should have been implemented way sooner, the damage has already been done...

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Yes, I like it. it means that kids have to work for the expensive cars now.

 

[magburner]

I'm in tow minds about it to be honest. it is both bad and good. Its bad because I can't dupe any more, but also, good because I can't dupe any more - the cars have actual value now.

I feel sorry for the guys that hop on board after this update, they will have a mountain to climb to get an awesome garage of cars like I have. Still, isn't the grind what GT is famous for? 👍

 

[incredible-bulk]

Honestly you aspire in getting the clown vettel car omg. I'd rather have any of the Batmobils in the game, they are as realistic as an X1 and do physically exist, even if the performance aint like in the movies it still performs unlike the. Blueprint an x1 is. Every car is fancier than the X1 in my opinion. X1 is what made this limitation come to us. X1 is the root of all evil. It gave birt to Hitler &#57605;

I don't aspire to get the x1 because I have already won 2. I don't think you get the grasp of what I was saying. PD could have made a miata the prize car for winning the vettel challenge or reaching level 35 in b-spec, by winning that, it is a symbol that you have put in many a hour EARNING something. The dupers out there have taking some of the sense of achievement out the game. This was my point and not particular x1 specific. The dupers have had their 5 minutes of fame, its time for them to move on and stop clogging up all the online bandwidth with "trade rooms", and leave it for people who actually want to race.

 

[Luminis]

No not only from the Phylosophical point, it is human nature, pyramid of needs rings any bells. Humans are egoists and that is what got us on top of the food chain.

It's not only human nature, it's usually every animals or living beings nature to not do stuff without reason. The concept of a 'gift' is, however, a very simple one:
Giving something to someone else without getting a wordly good in turn and without asking for one. This doesn't take things like the joy you receive from making someone happy into account, of course.
The simple reason for the two different words 'trading' and 'gifting' to exist is that there is an inherent difference between those two.

That is how civilisation works, so wanna hit dupers why not chase em down and get em banned? You know what i mean? But sony might have a problem with. That's why belgium still dont has a governement. Democratys are weack, wouldt haplen with a dictator. If you fo something do it right or not at all. They didnt get rid of Saddam in the first Gulf war now they are back there.

Because, at times, you have to go with the most practical solution. And persecuting dupers and banning them wouldn't be practical, especially because it would be based on a very shaky legal foundation, at best.

 

[ASH32]

Well I hate it because I just got to 20million credits on my GTP account to buy at least one of the 20million cars for my main account and now suddenly I can't. I also sent my GTP account a lot of cars from my main account to complete certain events, long before the lend feature arrived and now if I have any that are worth over a million still to send back they are stuck there.

I guess attempting to stop duping/ebay selling is the most important issue PD think there is. They will have a reason for doing it though, my guess is it's because some paid for DLC is coming.

 

[Krizzay]

I voted dislike, but thats more of a personal issue right now, namely, I lend my Toyota 7 (which I haven't drivin myself yet) to a friend so he could complete the classic races and there is no way I'm getting it back (and they are pretty rare in the ucd).

Now aside from this, I actually think it's a good thing. I just have this game for about 3 months and I'm playing it for years to come, so getting cars I like is no biggie, it will eventually happen. In the mean while, it's fun to play with my close friends (who I also know irl) and pull out a rare car. It brings the "wow, look at that car"-factor back in the game. So, even though I initially dislike this, I think it was a wise decision. We have more than enough time to eventually get what we really want to drive. I have enough cars to be competitive for the moment.

 

[ShadowManIRV]

tell that to the people who busted their balls getting bronze in the vettel challenge; being less than half a second away from getting a bronze for hours, redoing and retrying and redoing and retrying the challenge for hours. them some numbnut comes along AFTER update v1.06 and bronzes the challenges being 5seconds off of the original bronze time but ends up getting the same award. Who can "then drive it knowing the fact you've earnt it"?? or even harder yet buying racing softs and $30k turbos for every car just to reach B-spec lvl 35?? letting some mindless computer "earn" them a prize car that somebody with actual skill drove to "earn"

Are you done spitting your dummie out?
I cant be a r s e d arguein/debating any more! pd changed the s.vettel time not us!
b-spec is a bonus to anyone whos nearly finished a-spec and is not doing the endurance races, whos gonna turn down a zonda r, while telling your driver to increase pace!! Not me

 

[Vautwin]

I don't aspire to get the x1 because I have already won 2. I don't think you get the grasp of what I was saying. PD could have made a miata the prize car for winning the vettel challenge or reaching level 35 in b-spec, by winning that, it is a symbol that you have put in many a hour EARNING something. The dupers out there have taking some of the sense of achievement out the game. This was my point and not particular x1 specific. The dupers have had their 5 minutes of fame, its time for them to move on and stop clogging up all the online bandwidth with "trade rooms", and leave it for people who actually want to race.

Nooo not an other miata price car &#58372; ah ok i thaught u meant as milestone this packed high tec streo system on wheels. Yes i admit i am an X1 hater and i enjoy watching my bobs destroy it bit for bit in enduros &#57430;

 

[Mr. S]

Question is: are level 21 / 24 tickets affected? What about price cars? You can't sell many of them - do they have a "worth"? Same for others cars that one can't sell but only remove from their garage.

 

[Luminis]

Question is: are level 21 / 24 tickets affected? What about price cars? You can't sell many of them - do they have a "worth"? Same for others cars that one can't sell but only remove from their garage.

Price cars have a value I think... I guess it's tied to the 'normal' cars value.
The tickets, however... Well, the text on PD's site said that gift tickets of a certainv alue can't be traded, either, but whether that relates to those random tickets? I don't know.

I wouldn't expect it to work, though.

 

[pay2021]

Like Krizzay said: "It brings the 'wow, look at that car'-factor back in the game".👍

But in other hand i think 1 mill is still low, maybe 2 or 3??

And how gift tickets work? if they are random!? thats a fog zone.

 

[ShadowManIRV]

I don't aspire to get the x1 because I have already won 2. I don't think you get the grasp of what I was saying. PD could have made a miata the prize car for winning the vettel challenge or reaching level 35 in b-spec, by winning that, it is a symbol that you have put in many a hour EARNING something. The dupers out there have taking some of the sense of achievement out the game. This was my point and not particular x1 specific. The dupers have had their 5 minutes of fame, its time for them to move on and stop clogging up all the online bandwidth with "trade rooms", and leave it for people who actually want to race.

Well Said 👍👍👍👍