POLL: Do You Like The <1,000,000 Cr. Gift Restriction?
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- Duisburg
That's vastly different from a trade though; trading is giving a good you don't need or want to receive one you would like to have.
That doesn't actually work with the debate at hand. I'm not arguing that you're not getting anything in return for a gift; I'm saying that the words 'gift' and 'trade' mark different processes and are, thus, not interchangable.
To use your own examples: Saying 'gifting' is actually 'trading' is like saying 'fireworks' are actually the 'world cup'. There a different things, entirely different, inf act, that have a commen feature somewhere down the line.
The PSN EULA only refers to accounts with fake data. If the maina ccount is set up with proper data, there would be no basis to close it on.
They don't need to dedamage you. For example, look at World of Warcraft. You'll have to agree to them closing your account down whenever you do somethign that violates their guidelines. If you do so, you lose every right you had to be dedamaged.
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- LazyYouth
Law of supply and demand. If there are no >1 million cars to gift, these will be more wanted by other players who couldn't get them befor 1.07 patch. SO when they remove this limit, an avalanche of petitions will flood the Marketplace forum.
That's why I think this is good if it's temporary. PD won't solve the duping problem if they don't change their gifting/trading system from its root, but meanwhile, this will prevent cheaters from duplicating more X2010s (even if that means we honest players are screwed as well)
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- teflon6678
ARGH! This single change is the most annoying thing I've seen for weeks!
All the legitimate traders are losing out majorly when we want to avoid having unsellable duplicates. For example, I scrimped and saved up for my Formula GT back in December, and then the idiotic Lvl 24 voucher I got for finishing B-Spec Endurance gives me.... a Formula GT!
I couldn't sell it, or do anything of worth other than send it off to a friend who had got the game recently and needed one. In return, he promised to buy me a 908 FAP when he could afford it some way down the line.
Now he can't do that, so what do I get for my troubles? What do I get when I get another F GT (it's bound to happen) for finishing A-Spec Endurance? Nothing. Zip. Another duplicate car which, yet again, I can't sell, and if I could sell I'd probably get a pittance for it.
Ugh!
All the legitimate traders are losing out majorly when we want to avoid having unsellable duplicates. For example, I scrimped and saved up for my Formula GT back in December, and then the idiotic Lvl 24 voucher I got for finishing B-Spec Endurance gives me.... a Formula GT!
I couldn't sell it, or do anything of worth other than send it off to a friend who had got the game recently and needed one. In return, he promised to buy me a 908 FAP when he could afford it some way down the line.
Now he can't do that, so what do I get for my troubles? What do I get when I get another F GT (it's bound to happen) for finishing A-Spec Endurance? Nothing. Zip. Another duplicate car which, yet again, I can't sell, and if I could sell I'd probably get a pittance for it.
Ugh!
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I don't care what the dupers do with regards to their cars. If some guy has a pile of illegitimate X2010's but is fair and cool when I actually come into contact with him online, I don't care at all. Personally, I've never duped anything or used the restore save exploit.
This is so clearly not a permanent fix for the trading system - it's a step backwards. My guess is that they can't think of a way to really address the prob, so they just have to put a big block on it for the moment.
This is so clearly not a permanent fix for the trading system - it's a step backwards. My guess is that they can't think of a way to really address the prob, so they just have to put a big block on it for the moment.
U mean back to i give 5 330 p4 and 2 miura for your 908 hdi fab matmut???
Rise in value my ass, the damage has been done no car gonna raise in value, see how many there are already.
Sk like the market place? Here have a look at my trade garage: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=139015
Anything u like can trade asap
And again they will remove the limit to return loaned cars? Another proof that they dont think but act!! Ridiculous PD really pittifull.
Besides maybe it is just a warning that should give a warn effect. That was my first thaught. Made in the right moment it could have held a lot of people from doping and whatever if they would just have announced that dupers would be banned from psn.
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- sher_da_putt
I hate seeing x2010 online all the time and all these other crap drivers who somehow have gotten so far.
Trading is how we call it now but infact a gift is the essence of a trade. It just got interned so deep in us that we dont conciously await something in return but infact you push the other one to gift something back. Like u get the ball rolling, k ow what i mean? Other example you are a child, give a bday party, mama says you can invite 20 people. Not all your buddy's are in your school class. You make a list then mamma: oh but have to invite Paul, he invited you... That's what i mean.
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- Duisburg
I doubt that that prevented PD from tagging them with an internal value...
Paul may have invited you, and your mother might ask you to invite him too; that's it. You can plainly refuse to do so (because you're being selfish and don't like him). Then Paul invited you over and got nothing from it. That's what a gift is. Like the gifting in GT5. You might receive something in return, but if the one you're trading with isn't playing nice, you don't get anything back. Also see: Scammers. Your assumption is based on the fact that people are always kind-hearted enought to obey the implication of a gift, which is very naive.
A trade, on the other hand: Giving something away only to receive something.
Paul invites you to his birthday party on the condition that you will invite him over and makes you sign a contract that binds you to this particular trade; so now, you will have to invite him over or go to jail for breaking the contract (a silly one, in this case, but, well, for examples sake...).
TL;DR:
Getting something in return for a gift is voluntary.
Getting something in return for a traded good is mandatory.
Two different processes right there.
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- Soulless_Vessel
- Soullessvessel
Its a load of ********, esp after this point in the game where the damage has been done, if it was implemented from day one that's one thing, but this is a load of ****.
I'm not going to read through 11 pages of nonsense to see if this is just a repeated statement, but this is a weak move by PD. First, they don't even say what issue it is they were Trying to fix with the gifting limit. The fact is, however, that if they were trying to prevent cloning through the backup/restore exploit, they didn't. They've limited it, but that is all. So in a move to stop cheaters, who weren't actually gaining anything or hurting anybody, they've also taken away a feature of the game that I'm sure many fair gamers appreciated.
In summary, they've made the game less flexible for cheaters, and taken away features from fair players. Brilliant!
In summary, they've made the game less flexible for cheaters, and taken away features from fair players. Brilliant!
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Does it matter or make a difference if you have 1 or 500000 x1???
They still get 1 forreaching lvl 35 in bspec using overpowered cars.
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so what is the purpose of gifting cars if you cant even gift the cars that you want to gift?
i guess now we can all share all the crap standard cars that is left to gift.
i thought that this was for us to enjoy..clearly, they missed that point.
i guess now we can all share all the crap standard cars that is left to gift.
i thought that this was for us to enjoy..clearly, they missed that point.
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- lyme3m bhrin72
Simple fix, as they do in MMO's, give every single item a unique identifier. Put a code in place to have a simple check for duplicate identifiers to prevent duplicates.
Or, make it so everyone's save game, aside from replays and photos, is actually online. Storage is cheap.
This way the price limit does not matter. There is no duping period.
Or, make it so everyone's save game, aside from replays and photos, is actually online. Storage is cheap.
This way the price limit does not matter. There is no duping period.
So that perso. Loses it status and is put to side, he failed to come up with the challenge you launched.
You may invite Paul cause You wanna know what gift he brings, after all the Gift Your mom baught for him wasnt that bad.
And keep in mind that we talked about moments where no money was involved.but arbitrary values.
Plus someome breacking a contract musnt be going to jail or beein in fault, a construction worker agreed to rebuild your bath. He comes first day, then no sign for weeks. First bill comes in you refuse to pay, instead call the work off and got to court. He wins you pay because you called the work off.
Or he declares bankrupt and you are ****ed, but his company loses it's face.
But it proves the fact that it workes after the give and get principle.
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- mcroflsandwich
So, can we still gift level tickets?
I have yet to try it, but I was supposed to be doing a trade today that involved a level 21 ticket. So I was just curious.
I have yet to try it, but I was supposed to be doing a trade today that involved a level 21 ticket. So I was just curious.
So no one want one of these can trade asap: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=139015
I bet if i wrote who wants a BMW V12 it was gone already.
I bet if i wrote who wants a BMW V12 it was gone already.
So giving false info aint that violating the AUP??? It is so they can close Your main account cause You the Owner lied to them and broke AUP. And if they loom very closely to it U kinda hacked their system and used it in fraud and that means server legal actions.
When i meant paied ser ice was like xbox live and Psn, i didnt mean clise it fir you but it gets shut down totally, all users. Xbox must refund the ones with credit in their account, sony doesnt. Didnt meant that there had to be fraud in there. Just closing the service.
