POLL: Do You Like The <1,000,000 Cr. Gift Restriction?

[JediRage]

I am getting so tired of everyone attacking the dupers.
They have never ruined my game. All the people who have complained and driven PD to make this decision have ruined (part of) my game and that of many others, only to have their stupid little egos stroked again.
Think hard, it's only about egos.

This is something these people do not do unfortunately.
There are somethings that are said on this forum to sound cool.
1."Nordschleife is awesome/cool/better than sex"
2."Duping is cheating"
3."I am hardcore loyal fan of GT series since number 1"

 

[kuyaglen]

Where's is the poll option for "Dont Care"? All my 5 other dupe accounts already have X2010's and getting the low level ones to lvl 24 (for autogrinding Indy for cash) is really quick with the seasonal events.

 

[Vautwin]

You may. That's the keyword here. For all we know, Paul might be tghat idiot kid nobody liked. The kid with the poor parents. You aren't bound by anything, it's your decision to do what he intended you to do or not. There are no inherent consequences in not doing so. There might be, but it's not a clear cut case of 'Don't do this -> receive punishment'.


Fact sure you wont be invited to his party no more. didnt go to this social event in childhood, missed something wont understand the next game on schoolyard and be the outcast, much to loose.
And your mother wont allow u not invite him because of these social laws that are unwritten bu thou followed and she will invite him.

 

[JediRage]

I think this is a good move by PD, you can share cars but not dupe, excellent stuff. Clearly that isn't going to stop many people on here complaining that they'll have to play the game properly now, which is essentially what's happening.

I agree that PD should have seen this coming though.

💡

Yes properly. When by chance I enter an endurance race, I'll ask your permission to go to the loo mid race. Should it be realistic to take or break (pause) or go right there on my seat? Or maybe magically teleport a racing team and crew next to the pits? Wait, but the realism ...

God you people are obnoxious.

 

[Stotty]

LMFAO at all those people who think that this hurts dupers... you really don't get it do you?

Those of us with a less sanctamonious attitude to duping, who got ourselves organised early on, have already got most, if not all of the cars that cost over 1 million... for example, I've already got the F2010, F2007, several FGT's, every single LMP car, all the DTM's, all the classics etc. The only cars I need to complete my collection of race cars are a few of the standard JGTC cars, and they cost less than 1 million so will still be dupable

The only thing this will really effect is getting all the colour variations of some cars (like the X1 or FGT for example)... but that's a bit OCD for most people, so no big deal.

Much more interested in getting some of the rarer 2nd hand cars... and most of those are easily affordable when you haven't wasted millions of credits buying cars without duping.

So don't get excited and start crowing... this move by PD has come way to late to have an significant impact

The poll should have a 'it makes no difference to me' option

 

[axletramp]

You can still dupe. For less credits but you still can. But is trading cars not worthiest at the beginning when you run in the low classes and dont already have a car to compete in all classes, avoids you to spend money.

What's the problem with spending money and just playing the game? I try as much as I can not to spend money and just tune the cars I have or use trophy cars, it's fun. If I fail, I fail and I just have to buy something better. I haven't even considered trading because I actually like playing the game and taking on the challenges it sets.

 

[Laughlyn]

its a lazy response to the cloning issue thats all and an even lazier excuse that its due to technical issue with high value cars.
Sure i've cloned a couple cars for mates before but to take away the ability to just gift high value cars is ridiculous. If i hadnt got my Carbon X2010 last week in a trade i would never have gotten one. i'm simply not a good enough driver to complete the challenge with a gold. They used a wrecking ball where a sledgehammer would suffice.

If they put the time and effort into the issue that they did with putting in hundreds of pointless cars they could have teh game automatically sync your garage up online, that way if u do load an older save up, the game checks teh save file compared to its online logs, if a car has been sent and the same car id is present in the older save file then its removed. For a game with 1000 cars that are meant to be collected, trading the cars was a way to get the ones that you either didnt have enuff time to get, or simply, like me, arnt good enough to get.

The othe rissue is that over past week ive borrowed some cars of friends for teh nostalgia cup and the GTF1 championship i now have his 20 Mill XJ13, his Lambo Miura and his GTF1 and no way to send them back, thats almost 40mill of cars so u may say that at the moment he's pretty pissed off.

I said before, PD should creat an online player based second hand dealership. If i have a car that is fully upgraded and tuned i can put a sell order up. u could search by car type, price, country ect. obviously limit it to 10-20% above the cars retail price including upgraded parts, that way teh guys tuning it can get a few extra credits for their time but it stops peopel putting a mini up for 10mill so their new mate can get ahead. its a good way for guys who spend a lot of time tuning to get something back from the game and for those of us who have a fully upgraded enzo we no longer want, we can actually get sum credits back for it instea dof just having to remove it from the garage. PD have really dropped the ball with this update, its a poor and lazy excuse to address a problem that, altho sum may abuse, wasnt really that much of an issue

 

[axletramp]

God you people are obnoxious.

 

[Luminis]

Fact sure you wont be invited to his party no more. didnt go to this social event in childhood, missed something wont understand the next game on schoolyard and be the outcast, much to loose.
And your mother wont allow u not invite him because of these social laws that are unwritten bu thou followed and she will invite him.

This is assuming a lot. It is assuming that:
Pauls social standing makes attending his parties important. You might assume this, that's all. I say it's not, so it makes the point of 'social exclusion' not applicable.
With a trade, the consequence doesn't hinge on his social position.

Whether you'll understand the next schoolyards game is up to whether he devises it or not.

Whether your mom forces you to invite him or not is up to your mom. I know mine wouldn't have forced me to invite a guy I didn't like

For all I know, he might end up being the guy who's excluded from the next schoolyard game because he wasn't invited to your party. because all the cool kids were invited to yours.

Basically, your idea of gifting equaling trading only works in the kind of utopian world we don't live in. It may be based on the very human idea of not doing something without gaining something in return. But that's all the real world application it has.

There are so many cases when your 'system' has failed that I shouldn't even need to point it out.

Otherwise, explain to me why there are scammers, both in GT5 and real life.

 

[TheCracker]

This:tup: Now waiting PD/Sony's next move, bann all dupers, that would be cool. Then there would be again value on rare and expensive cars and nobody would miss those with closed accounts i guess, THEY DESERVE IT !

I'd miss myself with closed accounts. I'd also never buy a Gran Turismo game again, although i've been a massive GT fan since the very start. Which would also give me little or no reason to own a Playstation, so i'd likely never buy a Playstation again. The bad taste left in my mouth would do doubt stop me from buying any other Sony product too. Myself and probably thousands of others. That will undoubtedly be a great next move for PD/Sony, THEY DESERVE IT ! 👍 👍

I sincerely thought 90% of people duped/traded/doing-everything-except-racing-online-and-racing-in-general because they actually do not want to drive for XP/credits and want to have all cars and infinite amounts of money being thrown on them without effort in shortest period of time imaginable.

Many of us don't just play Gran Turismo for the racing. You of all people should know that it's more than just a mere "racing game" It's a celebration of all things car related. I get more out of the game from modifying and tuning cars or chasing that elusive rare gem in the UCD or just 'owning' a Miura P400, than i do actually racing. I don't care in the slightest about XP, after all it means very little unless the XP stops you from entering any of the events (which it never naturally has done for me so far) But credits do matter. They allow you to buy the cars you desire.

I don't have any problem with playing the game in the manner it was designed to be so to earn my credits, but all the cars i really strive to own are realistically out of my reach with the amount of free time i have available to play the game. And i'm sure i'm not alone in this.

I lost interest in GT4 long before many people here did for the simple reason that i had no time or inclination to continue grinding over and over again to buy those cars i wanted to own and drive.

Duping/gifting is no different to grinding or B-spec pimping in my eyes. They're all unnatural methods of getting the same result.

Is getting bob to run an X2010 in the same race hundreds of times over really any more in the spirit of the game?

 

[MercilessOne]

This sucks, LOL. I voted dislike because I'm an honest trader and car collector as well as a racer.

This limits a lot of things for us who also enjoy the car-collecting side of the game. I understand the obvious exploit of getting free cars and such, as I've done it before too (that's how I got both Ferrari F1s for free anway ), and them (meaning PD) trying to address the issues, but sheesh! This was a bit too much. Trading was one of the very best features in this game. And I met a lot of good people through it too. Online, yes, was indeed cluttered with people who had X2010s and other insane cars that they didn't deserve and/or acquire legitimately, but that's what lobby restrictions are all about. Besides, a game that's sold this much, and has a fanbase this big, expect way more than a few idiots to ruin your day. Online can be like Call of Duty, except with cars.

I don't understand why they would limit the trade to cars that pretty much anyone can buy without much hassle or are affordable through an easy 20 or so minutes of racing Indy (you know, that Indy). I don't care about your Enzo or F1. Or your Focus RS, or your Volvo C30, when I can go make a quick buck (a really quick buck, I might add) and buy one myself from the new dealership. I'm more interested in your shiny red X2010, or your prestigious Chaparral 2J, because I'm not about to spend 5 years grinding just to get one car... only to end up broke from buying it, and having to do it again

At least allow really high end cars (race cars, cars worth 7 figures and such) to be sold for something in return (like 1/3 or 1/4 of the original price before it was bought), instead of getting rid of it for nothing, or return the ability to win prize cars over and over again (this could help immensely). Or heeeeeyyyyy... how about even more races to do! (And NO, I'm not talking about the seasonals, they're great). I mean, expanding A-spec (or at least B-spec, for that matter) so that it's got depth like previous GTs, or more (now there's an afterthought 💡).

For those in favor of this patch, and against "cheaters" (or whatever it is you guys believe us to be), think about it for a minute. No one got hurt duping. And yeah, it was unfair, to see newbies with the entire Le Mans squad in their garage (so why not do the same, and join them? Trading is fun after all), but majority of us aren't hermits, and have far more important things to do. You guys also have to remember that this is just a game, and who cares what you do in it, or to it, so long as it doesn't affect others and ruin it for them (and it didn't, other than a few feelings of envy and/or jealousy, with a mix of disappointment and distaste). This in time will alienate HUGE amounts of people (unless... unless of course, it's fixed again, and then another round of complaining commences ). GT won't have that same online community feel to it that made it so very special in my tiny library of great PS3 games. 👎


Just my 2 cents.

 

[strtgng]

Per a post in the Kazunori Yamauchi tweets! thread:

Guys, a new tweet regarding the update and gifting:
"Gift of the car features more than 100 million yen to resume temporarily. About three hours later as a guide. This is not good I did not notice in advance. Sorry. RT @ gt5nimonomousu: X2010 I just have one day I'd like to be sent to? I lent a friend a while ..."

 

[WeZR1]

i don't think a company should put a game out and then restrict how we choose to play it. who cares if you want to sell one of your expensive cars or give it to somebody else.
it should just be a game, because thats all it is A GAME... nobody likes the same things in life,
PD should just leave restrictions alone or save them for online play. i've bought every car in the game, i should be allowed to gift those i don't want.

 

[Vautwin]

Arbitrary value or not, a gift is a gift and a trade a trade as both are different from each other; whether a gift comes with the implication of getting something in return doesn't matter. A trade demands it and that's all the difference you'll ever need to distinquish the two./QUOTE]

What i meant was the gift is mother of trade and so by social bindings expect something to be returned in a whatever period of time. I didnt invent that, some big brains decided that it is like that

Or you might go to court directly when he doesn't show up and sue him for breaching a contract. Simples./QUOTE]

And sit there for years without a roof on your hause that takes mote and more damage. Might work in theorie.

Because exchanging money for a sorvice isn't a gift, it's a trade.
If he did it for free, without the necessity of you paying him a single dime, that would be gifting. Then, he could just stay away from work while you couldn't do anything about it.
Not giving him a reward if he 'gifted' his services to you is uncool and he'd probably be pissed, but that's it. Furthermore, he's not in charge of what he would receive. If you get a gift back, the gifter is free to chose what you'll receive. If it's a trade, both parties have to agree to the terms of the trade, ie. the goods traded. This isn't present in GT5, by the way. That's why it's a 'gift' system, not a 'trade' system./QUOTE]

This sure employs a strong society with less faul creatures than we unfortunately have now. Still it is the base system and if u gift somwhere there is a return awaited. (read Marcel Muss: the gift) or George bataille the Potleach easonning on new economy.
Beside to that gifts can be used as vulgar disolay of power.

well he will be disappointed, and you loose credibility, ti that your status and rank. May become the outcast of society or at least decrease in rank because peoe think you are to poor and have no power and then you loose the respect
1) You didn't hack their system because you changed no software, so that's out of the window right there.
2) It is a violation of the AUP; the PSN EULA states:

So, as you can see, an account with untruthful information can be closed; it does, however, not pose any consequences to your primary accounts. More importantly, how is Sony going to track that two accounts with unrelated informations belong to the same person, and not just someone else who's just using that same PS3?



Xbox Live EULA:

At best, it depends on the jurisdiction of your country. What is for sure, though: If you're excluded for cheating, hacking (or in this case, duping), you will get no refund of anything at the expenses of Microsoft.

I meant if you pay for something and You didnt do any wrong they still close their system for everyone. Nit due to fraud.

 

[alex997tt]

Where's is the poll option for "Dont Care"?

Actually, I would change my vote to this too - as Killzone 3 just came through into my postbox

 

[Starking]

I'm really on the fence about it. However, I believe they should have just made all the X2010s un-tradeable like the Stealth and Chromeline cars.

 

[will4noobs]

It annoys me when people say 'Now you have to play the game properly'
who are they to say how to play a game?

Everyone just needs to remember 1.07 is for the greater good

 

[Vautwin]

LMFAO at all those people who think that this hurts dupers... you really don't get it do you?

Those of us with a less sanctamonious attitude to duping, who got ourselves organised early on, have already got most, if not all of the cars that cost over 1 million... for example, I've already got the F2010, F2007, several FGT's, every single LMP car, all the DTM's, all the classics etc. The only cars I need to complete my collection of race cars are a few of the standard JGTC cars, and they cost less than 1 million so will still be dupable

The only thing this will really effect is getting all the colour variations of some cars (like the X1 or FGT for example)... but that's a bit OCD for most people, so no big deal.

Much more interested in getting some of the rarer 2nd hand cars... and most of those are easily affordable when you haven't wasted millions of credits buying cars without duping.

So don't get excited and start crowing... this move by PD has come way to late to have an significant impact

The poll should have a 'it makes no difference to me' option

Exactly what i said. The ones beeing slapped are the non bdayers nor first day dupers. Sad but true.

 

[Vautwin]

What's the problem with spending money and just playing the game? I try as much as I can not to spend money and just tune the cars I have or use trophy cars, it's fun. If I fail, I fail and I just have to buy something better. I haven't even considered trading because I actually like playing the game and taking on the challenges it sets.

Point was at the beginning trading is usefull. U have a 4wd, but no fr, inztead of buying a fr car u get one. And this can also be done by duping. So duping aint gone and the losers are those who played by the rules cause big dupers have already their + cars

 

[bobmarde]

I don't care either way...

 

[Resident Troll]

Doesn't hurt my feelings since I have only traded twice and never dupe. But to fix it now, after it has been going on so long is kind of weak. But, there may be something coming up that has caused PD to do this, new cars perhaps?

 

[Seismica]

The nature of the UCD was put in place to create an online marketplace for rare cars. The duping exploit removed the point of the whole thing as the rarest, most sought after models were the most common cars to be duplicated and gifted.

But in my opinion, the online marketplace was inadequate to create such an economy. Removing this exploit for cars over £1million has made many of the rare standard cars less obtainable than before.

I personally like it. It adds a little more prestige to those higher end cars. Or at least, I would like it if this measure was put in place from the start rather than put in as a last resort measure to stop people exploiting the game. The fact there are already so many duplicated cars scattered across the hundreds of thousands of accounts makes this update pointless, and they should have simply left it as it were.

I'm also a little cheesed off at reading that some people had made two accounts (One main and one GTP tagged) and used the gifting system to transfer the cars between them when they needed them. Now though, this can not be done, leaving many £1million+ cars stranded in secondary accounts.

PD simply haven't quite got the hang of handling such a large online community and releasing updates that will work effectively without 🤬 off the majority of the players. Maybe with GT6 they will have learnt a thing or two, but that isn't good enough, they should have consulted the players before making such a rash decision. The poll is quite obvious and speaks for itself, this update was not wanted, even though it is a nice idea in theory.

I don't even have online and the flaws of this idea are very clear to me. Remove the £1million limit and learnt your mistakes for GT6 or remove the UCD and just make it a GT1-4 style Car dealership where you have choice of almost every car in the game from the word go.

 

[pzk]

The poll should have a 'it makes no difference to me' option

👍

I've only asked for dupes and duped about 4 or 5 times altogether. I'm not really aiming for trophies, and I prefer to collect cars on my own at my own pace.

If my friends or I ever need an expensive "rare" car, we'll just set it to "Share".

 

[Crimson]

I'm just glad I got my Formula GT before the limit was introduced.

 

[replacement]

I'd love to see someone do the following math:

How long does it take to get all the credits needed to buy every car in the game at least once.

Not counting cars that can be won in A/B Spec of course. Also counting in weekly seasonals. The basis should be the most rewarding race concerning credits/minute.

I bet the results will show pretty easily how much grind is involved in this game.

I disagree with your entire premise here... before seasonals came along you had to grind a ton to get cash, then they came along with some 1or 2 million $ races. Why do people act like the game is going to stay the way it is AT THIS MOMENT forever. PD has already shown continually changes and support. I wouldn't be surprised if seasonal events continue to build into an expanded a-spec and easily allow earning more credits, especially with the gifting cap now in place. It just ain't gonna happen all at once.

 

[Alex p.]

Me.

Funny how you say "Who the (You know what) cares!" when it directly affected your duping *Cough* gifting thread.

It's PD's way in making the game more fair.

I never duped, only gifted cars to others for fun. *cough*

(I am serious, I never duped.)

 

[GT4.75]

If that actually IS the case, I'd like PD to focus on expanding the A-Spec, not getting rid of features.

 

[Vautwin]

This is assuming a lot. It is assuming that:
Pauls social standing makes attending his parties important. You might assume this, that's all. I say it's not, so it makes the point of 'social exclusion' not applicable.
With a trade, the consequence doesn't hinge on his social position.

Whether you'll understand the next schoolyards game is up to whether he devises it or not.

Whether your mom forces you to invite him or not is up to your mom. I know mine wouldn't have forced me to invite a guy I didn't like

For all I know, he might end up being the guy who's excluded from the next schoolyard game because he wasn't invited to your party. because all the cool kids were invited to yours.

Basically, your idea of gifting equaling trading only works in the kind of utopian world we don't live in. It may be based on the very human idea of not doing something without gaining something in return. But that's all the real world application it has.

There are so many cases when your 'system' has failed that I shouldn't even need to point it out.

Otherwise, explain to me why there are scammers, both in GT5 and real life.

Easy they dont go the standards of your status, aint in our league/ rank/ social class what ever, therefore they think they aint got nothing to lose. As they obtain what they want. But infact what happens to a scammer here at gtp?? He gets unmasked, called out and loses his status as trader and becomes a scammer. So in fact he loses.

On the other hand you suggest that u are the cool kid the others come to. But u didnt get invited to his party because u didnt invite him, after he invited u first. So u refused to take the chalkenge to put status quo or a new potlach on him so why should he explain the game? U decreased in status.
So but still ur mother would have wanted u to invite him because he did, even if u dont, she will tell u that it is not right. Look lets say he got invited to urs braught a decent gift ok. Now u are invited to his and u gonna go. U are in the stor with mummy. You choose a gift and mommy remembers the gift that he braught and it was way more valuable, she gonna talk u to a better gift. She wants to equal or overbid the social status he set. If u cant, that majes u lose the rank to him.
Go for the textes as unfortunately english aint me mother language.
In gt5 terms, which car is mire valuable? The one u grinded awfully long for and is worth 2000000 credits or the one u get send which is a duped bday car??
U grind a car, u drove, show u got skill... He got that other car like for nothing that shows u are a skilled driver able to earn ehile he can manipulate to get something. Result you are estimate higher than him. A sign of your status over his.
Not about a utopic society just societies were smaller and easier to find out who is correct and who isnt. but still money is an arbitrary measure. To the incas gold wasnt really worth a lot they had plenty. To the conquistadorres it was their economy was based on it.

 

[ItsHim]

I guess some ePenises have gained considerably in length thanks to this new patch.

And I hope PD stops listening to the fanatics. I'd rather be patronized by Kaz and his team than by some geeks who never grew up and have nothing to do than posting demands on GTP.

 

[CAG_Theory]

Per a post in the Kazunori Yamauchi tweets! thread:

Guys, a new tweet regarding the update and gifting:
"Gift of the car features more than 100 million yen to resume temporarily. About three hours later as a guide. This is not good I did not notice in advance. Sorry. RT @ gt5nimonomousu: X2010 I just have one day I'd like to be sent to? I lent a friend a while ..."

Soon. Very Soon. Today or tomorrow, I would imagine.