POLL: Do You Like The <1,000,000 Cr. Gift Restriction?

It seems many people have missed out on the fact that you can share your 2Js or F1s to help your friends get further in the game.. you just won't be lending it to them through ownership...

In the garage, choose share with friends, and your friend can use it to progress in the game.

The only problem with these retroactive fixes is that PD should have forseen the loopholes and fixed them on release or as soon as possible afterwards.

For example the birthday glitch, what started out as a nice suprise gesture instantly became a loophole cheat. The company is very japanese in their thinking, they don't presume that people will dupe and cheat on this scale, but they're learning the hard way.

Also that guy earlier in the thread who will "never get his cranberry x1 now" really made me laugh!
 
I am getting so tired of everyone attacking the dupers.
They have never ruined my game. All the people who have complained and driven PD to make this decision have ruined (part of) my game and that of many others, only to have their stupid little egos stroked again.
Think hard, it's only about egos.
 
Simple fix, as they do in MMO's, give every single item a unique identifier. Put a code in place to have a simple check for duplicate identifiers to prevent duplicates.

Or, make it so everyone's save game, aside from replays and photos, is actually online. Storage is cheap.

This way the price limit does not matter. There is no duping period.

Because PD a cheapsters remember the trouble with disappearing cars??? The server couldnt handlr cars beein send and many disapoeared. They limit their cost so dramatically it aint funny. Then you have to detect dupes, investigate single cases... Costs but if u simply encide a limit easy done.
 
I am getting so tired of everyone attacking the dupers.
They have never ruined my game. All the people who have complained and driven PD to make this decision have ruined (part of) my game and that of many others, only to have their stupid little egos stroked again.
Think hard, it's only about egos.

That's really just your opinion.
 
It should be undone. If people want to trade it should be their choice to trade and trade any car they want.

A better idea would be that in order to trade you have to get to a certain level. I didn't trade until I got to level 30. The excitement of the game started to slow down then and trading brought another dimension to it and has given it some longevity.

However, regardless of what any individuals think - Majority rules. And Majority against it.

It's a good poll too of a sizable number of people. So there should be no argument.
 
I think this is a good move by PD, you can share cars but not dupe, excellent stuff. Clearly that isn't going to stop many people on here complaining that they'll have to play the game properly now, which is essentially what's happening.

I agree that PD should have seen this coming though.

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It sucks that those who wanted to trade rare expensive cars can't anymore, but to those who exploited the system, you ****ing deserve it. And then you have the audacity to complain that it's unfair!? Hypocrisy much? "I can no longer cheat to get an advantage, how unfair!"
Grow up and play this racing game for what it was meant for, enjoying races
I only have 1 car worth >1,000,000, and thats the FGT, and I'm still enjoying the hell out of this game
 
This really is like taking one step forwards and ten steps back. The onlymain reason people duped was because the XP and credits and events system is terribly broken. If it took a reasonable amount of time to get enough credits and events were not completely boring then duping would not be a problem. Even better if the truly valuable cars were prizes for difficult races and could be had by I don't know, practice, and skill, not grinding then I also think that would solve this problem. Or if you could only trade a car your level or below, this would not be a problem. Or if there was an actual trading system, this would not be a problem. Or the person you are gifting would have to have an active account for lets say a month. There are a million other ways "duping" could have been addressed and SOLVED, but PD chose quite possibly the worst option.

I am sorry but I have a life beyond GT5 and GTP. The fact that PD made a game that no normal person could complete is crazy. So, what now I make friends with people that have nice cars? Not a single person on my friends list puts their cars online. I am the only one. F2010, 908i, GTR500, etc. Is this going to lead to car share friending thread... ugh. /rant.
 
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It seems many people have missed out on the fact that you can share your 2Js or F1s to help your friends get further in the game.. you just won't be lending it to them through ownership...

In the garage, choose share with friends, and your friend can use it to progress in the game.

The only problem with these retroactive fixes is that PD should have forseen the loopholes and fixed them on release or as soon as possible afterwards.

For example the birthday glitch, what started out as a nice suprise gesture instantly became a loophole cheat. The company is very japanese in their thinking, they don't presume that people will dupe and cheat on this scale, but they're learning the hard way.

Also that guy earlier in the thread who will "never get his cranberry x1 now" really made me laugh!

So why were save games locked?
 
It sucks that those who wanted to trade rare expensive cars can't anymore, but to those who exploited the system, you ****ing deserve it. And then you have the audacity to complain that it's unfair!? Hypocrisy much? "I can no longer cheat to get an advantage, how unfair!"
Grow up and play this racing game for what it was meant for, enjoying races
I only have 1 car worth >1,000,000, and thats the FGT, and I'm still enjoying the hell out of this game

This:tup: Now waiting PD/Sony's next move, bann all dupers, that would be cool. Then there would be again value on rare and expensive cars and nobody would miss those with closed accounts i guess, THEY DESERVE IT !
 
I think this is a good move by PD, you can share cars but not dupe, excellent stuff. Clearly that isn't going to stop many people on here complaining that they'll have to play the game properly now, which is essentially what's happening.

I agree that PD should have seen this coming though.

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You can still dupe. For less credits but you still can. But is trading cars not worthiest at the beginning when you run in the low classes and dont already have a car to compete in all classes, avoids you to spend money.
 
That's what happens when you exploit a game guys...

Obviously Kaz and PD aren't happy with it. You have seasonals, remote races, and b-spec to make enough credits to buy these cars anyway.
 
The only reason people duped was because the XP and credits and events system is terribly broken.

Interesting thought you have here :)

I sincerely thought 90% of people duped/traded/doing-everything-except-racing-online-and-racing-in-general because they actually do not want to drive for XP/credits and want to have all cars and infinite amounts of money being thrown on them without effort in shortest period of time imaginable.

Silly me.

 
Not a fan of it. Ruins a very integral part of the game.

That being said, Im sure there are plenty of crybabies who are elated with this news. Now we can all play the "fair way" and grind Indy thousands of times.
Because how I play my game directly destroys, literally rapes, the way you play your game.

If the problem was the ebay trading, this isnt the solution.

I doup like crazy, but never started until I had completed all the races(aside from the endurance races). At that point there is nothing left to do but collect and grind.

Really though, I have all the cars over a million I wanted. I only douped to trade 2-3 times. X1 to a friend for his BOB and the other night a GTone for the Volvo 240 :)
The rest of the douping I did was for myself getting cars from the UDC....But Thats not a problem. I always carry a balance of 18 to 20 million.
Thank god for rubber band grinding. I can set it up to grind indy about 80 times while I sleep. Usually able to earn 6-7 million by the time I wake up :) Im sure some people will cry themselves to sleep knowing that.
 
This:tup: Now waiting PD/Sony's next move, bann all dupers, that would be cool. Then there would be again value on rare and expensive cars and nobody would miss those with closed accounts i guess, THEY DESERVE IT !

Ohh yeah Sony would miss all the futur clients that run to microsoft xbox due to very bad publicity for sony. They care.
 
I think what is happening here is PD closing the stable door after the horse has bolted but that doesn't mean this is final.

This might be a consolidation time for them to make larger changes, such as cataloging each car by a unique identifier. If you guys haven't learnt by now, nothing is permanent with PD.

It's just that the changes required to allow gifting without duping are much bigger changes than capping gifts at a low enough level to discourage duping.
 
I like it but it's been done too late, all the cheats have got their 1000 car garages and all the n00bs have their X2010's, hopefully they will have learnt from this and come up with a better system in time for GT6 (in a few years).
 
I only signed up for an account today because of this 1.07 update. I enjoy reading what everyone has written - still on page 15.

Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to vote. If I could I would vote "Dislike" - all the reasons why have been stated so I'm not going to repeat it here.

To be honest, if PD took GT1 and updated the graphics/sounds and added more cars, most of us would probably buy it anyways. Not because we have poor taste for re-hashed games, but because we love driving old/new cars of all shapes and sizes.

I'm happy that GT5 doesn't force me to re-do License tests for the 5th time and that Photo Travel looks beautiful - these are great improvements though I bet there will be many who will disagree just for the sake of disagreeing.

I'm sure someone has mentioned this before, but if this was to be realistic, why are we forced to buy cars that we don't get to test drive first (obviously this is not hard to accomplish - just put the car on a small track/road course and let the potential buyer try it out for 1 lap/few mins). Maybe because the game is not called "The Real Car Buying Simulator"...haha.

This version of the game is definitely forcing us to do a lot of grinding regardless if it's A-spec, B-spec, Remote, Seasonal, etc. My PS3 will die on me soon (from all the B-spec'ing) and Sony will be happy as I will have to buy another PS3 just to watch Blue Rays and play games.

With the GT franchise, PD has never been very good at improving the game play/design of the game (we are still doing the same thing since GT1) - not sure why this took 5 years. EA is able to pump out sports games within 0.5 to 1 years time, why can't PD do the same - especially if they plan to just re-use old car models anyways.

GT5 is also very backwards. For all the things that worked perfectly before (ie: PP system in GT4 (?) and being able to change wheels on standard models) they had to go an mess with it. Why do that? If it works in the first place and you already coded it why not include it?

Makes me wonder if Kaz is spending too much time designing X2010 with RedBull and not really taking a good look at how he wants to push GT into the future of gaming.
 
This poll needs a 3rd option: "I don't care"

Now we have people who would have voted "I don't care" lumped into the "Like" or "Dislike" category. From reading the posts so far, a lot of people don't care.
 
Interesting.
60,40% of GTP users are cheaters.

Interesting, 40% of GTP users have no life and grind all day to get 2.2 million credits.

Hmm, congratulations?

Remember the quote about all statistics being made up? I just made one up sir. Do you not like it?
 
You know what else would be funny now?

Patch 1.08
Indianapolis and Daytona - Added a short outcrop in the wall on the start and finish line to prevent rubber band grinding.

The noise generated by the whining would be totally epic.
 
So that perso. Loses it status and is put to side, he failed to come up with the challenge you launched.
You may invite Paul cause You wanna know what gift he brings, after all the Gift Your mom baught for him wasnt that bad.
You may. That's the keyword here. For all we know, Paul might be tghat idiot kid nobody liked. The kid with the poor parents. You aren't bound by anything, it's your decision to do what he intended you to do or not. There are no inherent consequences in not doing so. There might be, but it's not a clear cut case of 'Don't do this -> receive punishment'.

And keep in mind that we talked about moments where no money was involved.but arbitrary values.
Arbitrary value or not, a gift is a gift and a trade a trade as both are different from each other; whether a gift comes with the implication of getting something in return doesn't matter. A trade demands it and that's all the difference you'll ever need to distinquish the two.

Plus someome breacking a contract musnt be going to jail or beein in fault, a construction worker agreed to rebuild your bath. He comes first day, then no sign for weeks. First bill comes in you refuse to pay, instead call the work off and got to court. He wins you pay because you called the work off.
Or you might go to court directly when he doesn't show up and sue him for breaching a contract. Simples.

Or he declares bankrupt and you are ****ed, but his company loses it's face.

But it proves the fact that it workes after the give and get principle.
Because exchanging money for a sorvice isn't a gift, it's a trade.
If he did it for free, without the necessity of you paying him a single dime, that would be gifting. Then, he could just stay away from work while you couldn't do anything about it.
Not giving him a reward if he 'gifted' his services to you is uncool and he'd probably be pissed, but that's it. Furthermore, he's not in charge of what he would receive. If you get a gift back, the gifter is free to chose what you'll receive. If it's a trade, both parties have to agree to the terms of the trade, ie. the goods traded. This isn't present in GT5, by the way. That's why it's a 'gift' system, not a 'trade' system.

So giving false info aint that violating the AUP??? It is so they can close Your main account cause You the Owner lied to them and broke AUP. And if they loom very closely to it U kinda hacked their system and used it in fraud and that means server legal actions.
1) You didn't hack their system because you changed no software, so that's out of the window right there.
2) It is a violation of the AUP; the PSN EULA states:
You must create an appropriate Sony Online Network account (either a PSN account or a Qriocity account) to participate in Sony Online Network. All the information you give us during this account registration must be truthful and accurate. We may refuse a request for registration at our discretion.
So, as you can see, an account with untruthful information can be closed; it does, however, not pose any consequences to your primary accounts. More importantly, how is Sony going to track that two accounts with unrelated informations belong to the same person, and not just someone else who's just using that same PS3?

When i meant paied ser ice was like xbox live and Psn, i didnt mean clise it fir you but it gets shut down totally, all users. Xbox must refund the ones with credit in their account, sony doesnt. Didnt meant that there had to be fraud in there. Just closing the service.

Xbox Live EULA:
6.6. Refund Policies. Unless otherwise provided by law or in connection with any particular Service offer, all charges are earned when received and are non-refundable, and the costs of any returns will be at your expense.
At best, it depends on the jurisdiction of your country. What is for sure, though: If you're excluded for cheating, hacking (or in this case, duping), you will get no refund of anything at the expenses of Microsoft.
 
So does the limit stop duping? And makes us mire racing? No it makes us write more on the forum. Must be one of the fastest growing threads.

The funny thing is some people sayin ohh all pay for the faults of a few, but some of them wanted guns banned in the gun thread. Niw that is really funny.
 
So does the limit stop duping? And makes us mire racing? No it makes us write more on the forum. Must be one of the fastest growing threads.
It limits the duping to the point of near uselessness and that's a pretty decent start.
 
That's really just your opinion.

Nope. I'll take you through the short train of thought:

The only thing someone gains from duping being banned (or greatly restricted) is the fact that some of his/her cars are rare. The X2010 carbon is probably the best example as acquiring this car is quite hard.
(Some claim that it makes the online races fair, but this is ofcourse not true as you will still need skill to win online and you cannot simply enter any race in your traded X2010 as you will either get kicked or the rules won't allow it).

Why would you want a rare car?
1. To trade it for a lot of other cars (not likely, since you will lose the car you spend so much time earning and ofcourse, this isn't possible with the new rule either)
That leaves:
2. To show it off online/on forums.

Why would you want to show off a car online?
To boost your ego.


Edit: This is a thought that might be flawed (especially in this short version), and I am very willing to admit I'm wrong if shown where.
 
I'd love to see someone do the following math:

How long does it take to get all the credits needed to buy every car in the game at least once.

Not counting cars that can be won in A/B Spec of course. Also counting in weekly seasonals. The basis should be the most rewarding race concerning credits/minute.

I bet the results will show pretty easily how much grind is involved in this game.

Yes they want it to be a real simulation. A reflection of the real world, where even millionaires need to invest some time to buy all supercars in the world.

But this game is called the real driving simulator, not the real economics simulator. It's a game for christs sake and games should be enjoyable.

Some game developers are wondering why people prefer small simple apps on their mobile phone over complex video games on a console nowadays. I don't, cause it's pretty simple: They are easy and fun.
 
People shouldn't worry about cloning/duping/gifting people cars they can't handle. A driver with zero experience or racing knowledge can go online and race a Zonda R.

Duping isn't hacking. Hacking involves changing the function of a program. Duping uses gifting, which is a part of the game. It uses the backup/restore system, which is an accompanying feature with the game. They are used the way they were programmed by the developers. Not hacking.
 
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