[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

The party nominees are named. Now who do you support?


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I would say the same way Mrs. Wilson was able to act on Woodrow Wilson's behalf during the later years of his presidency when he had a stroke, limiting access to the President to just two people, the puppet master, and the doctor, and acting as the proxy.

So in other words she'll be as Hillary was to Bill during his presidency. That doesn't make her president, and in reality that just makes her another adviser with a depth of power. I mean many have had this in past presidency.
 
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The race between Clinton and Trump is beginning to resemble a childhood game where the first person to reach a specified place has to pay a forfeit, and so you and your opponent would start walking slower and slower until you were both stationary and inevitably it would result in both participants attempting to push the other one in front...

Some people I know truly believe that Trump is a Clinton stooge... unfortunately, that hypothesis is somewhat undermined by the fact that Clinton's campaign is so inept that Trump is gaining ground, even in spite of what seem people believe is a deliberate attempt to sabotage his own campaign. Crazy.
 
Gotta agree on his philosophy of the middle east, when the Europeans started drawing borders over the middle east, they really didn't look at the demographics and alot of the problems today still stem from that.

Same goes for Africa but it's Africa so who cares, right?
 
I bet Romney is kicking himself fo not holding off four years.
I doubt it would have made much difference - it was always going to be Hillary. The fact that she is mired in scandal, possibly seriously ill (although probably not), and deeply despised by about 3/4 of the US population and yet still won the Dem nomination comfortably points to a rigged game that no-one else was ever likely to win. Bu that could yet come back on the Democratic party and bite them in the bum - even if Hillary is not any more ill than she or the party is letting on.

Meanwhile, Donald trump Jr. coins a new slogan for his father's campaign... 'Trump for the people!'

 
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The fact that she is mired in scandal, possibly seriously ill (although probably not), and deeply despised by about 3/4 of the US population and yet still won the Dem nomination comfortably points to a rigged game that no-one else was ever likely to win.

This is a bit of a stretch. She currently sits at 55% unfavorable overall, which is a far cry from 75%. And, of course, the underlying partisan split is quite polarized. Five thirty-eight had her at 70% among Democrats back in July.

Is it worrying that a full 30% of her party still views her unfavorably? Absolutely. Candidates traditionally find themselves near 90% by this point of a campaign. But that 70% makes it awfully hard to call it a "rigged game."
 
It was a rigged game when the DNC started raising money for hillary before the primarys even started.
 
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It now appears that FBI Director James Comey is an active participant in the Democrat's "pay to play" scheme. I'll go over the basics here, but you can read about it at the link above.

The activity for Comey began before 2010 while he served as Vice President and General Counsel of Lockheed Martin after serving two years as deputy attorney general under John Ashcroft. In 2010, two things happened, one is that he resigned his position, and second, Lockheed Martin itself admitted to being a Clinton Foundation donor. When James Comey left Lockheed Martin, he earned more than $6 million in compensation.

By the way, Lockheed Martin is also a member of the American Chamber of Commerce in Egypt, which paid Bill Clinton $250,000 to deliver a speech in 2010, and also the company won 17 approvals for private contracts from the Clinton State Department.

Then in 2013, James Comey became a board member, a director, and a Financial System Vulnerabilities Committee member of HSBC Holdings in London. The contract was to be for a three-year term, to be renewed by re-election by shareholders at the 2016 Annual General Meeting, according to company records.

HSBC and its branches routinely partner with the Clinton Foundation. For example, HSBC partnered with Deutsche Bank through the Clinton Foundation to "retrofit 1,500 to 2,500 houses in the low to moderate income sector of New York City".

Retrofitting, for those who don't know, refers to a Green initiative to conserve energy in commercial housing units. The Clinton Foundation records show that the Foundation had projected a $1 billion price tag for this initiative.

Who is Peter Comey?

Peter Comey serves as the "Senior Director of Real Estate Operations for the Americas" for the D.C.-based law firm DLA Piper, and it is that law firm that has a lot of questions to answer. It should be expressed here that James Comey and Peter Comey do have a relationship (they're brothers), but he was not questioned about it in his confirmation hearing.

DLA Piper was the firm that performed the independent audit of the Clinton Foundation last November during Hillary's first big push to get the email scandal behind her, and their employees, when taken as a whole, represent a major donation bloc for both her campaign and the Clinton Foundation.

The firm ranks #5 on Clinton's all-time career donations list, just ahead of Goldman Sachs.

And here is another thing to add to the pile, Peter Comey has a mortgage on his house that is actually owned by James Comey, the FBI Director.

When you dig deeper into Peter's financial records, he bought a $950,000 house in Vienna, Virgina in June 2008. He needed a $712,500 mortgage from First Savings Mortgage Corp.

Then on Jan. 31, 2011, James Comey stepped in to become Private Party lenders and granted a mortgage of $711,000. Financial records also suggest that Peter took out two such mortgages from his brother that day.

This financial relationship began before James Comey's nomination to become FBI Director.

Peter also redesigned the FBI building.
 
Meanwhile, Donald trump Jr. coins a new slogan for his father's campaign... 'Trump for the people!'
Given the (potential) usage of "trump" as a verb, I would be trying to kill that slogan as quickly as possible.

It means "fart".
 
Are Clinton Campaign staffers bilking unsuspecting donors?

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Hillary Clinton’s campaign is stealing from her poorest supporters by purposefully and repeatedly overcharging them after they make what’s supposed to be a one-time small donation through her official campaign website, multiple sources tell the Observer.

http://observer.com/2016/09/exclusi...n-systematically-overcharging-poorest-donors/
 
The NY Times is characterizing the following story as a conspiracy, and the DNC as the "victim of a crime".

http://observer.com/2016/09/wikileaks-guccifer-2-0-obama-sold-off-public-offices-to-donors/

WikiLeaks’ Guccifer 2.0: Obama Sold Off Public Offices to Donors
Corruption doesn't start or end with Hillary
By Michael Sainato • 09/14/16 11:00am

On September 13, WikiLeaks lived up to its promise of releasing more Democratic National Committee (DNC) documents. This time they were from hacker Guccifer 2.0, serving as a teaser for larger and likely more embarrassing leaks from the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign.

Both the Democratic Party and Clinton campaign have attempted to insulate themselves from the content of the releases by alleging the hacks were organized by the Russian government. The claims are a mix of paranoia and PR/damage control, and will have enduring consequences. It may lead to what former Secretary of Defense William Perry referred to as a drift back into Cold War mentalities.

The leaks include more evidence of overt corruption within the DNC. One email dated May 18, 2016, from Jacquelyn Lopez, an attorney with the law firm Perkins Coie, asked DNC staff if they could set up a brief call “to go over our process for handling donations from donors who have given us pay to play letters.”


Included in the leak was a list of high-profile donors from 2008 and the ambassadorship they received in exchange for their large donation to the DNC and Barack Obama’s Organizing For Action (OFA). Essentially, Obama was auctioning off foreign ambassador positions and other office positions while Hillary Clinton served as secretary of state. The largest donor listed at contributions totaling over $3.5 million, Matthew Barzun, served as U.S. Ambassador to Sweden from 2009 to 2011, served as President Obama’s National Finance Chair during his 2012 reelection campaign, and now serves as U.S. Ambassador to the United Kingdom.

The second largest donor, Julius Genachowski, donated just under $3.5 million to the DNC and OFA, and in exchange was appointed chairman of the FCC by Obama in 2009.

The third largest donor on the list, Frank Sanchez, donated just over $3.4 million and exchange was appointed to Undersecretary of Commerce for International Trade by Obama in 2010.

A 2013 article published by the Guardian corroborates the pay-to-play scheme this list suggests. “Barack Obama has rewarded some of his most active campaign donors with plum jobs in foreign embassies, with the average amount raised by recent or imminent appointees soaring to $1.8m per post, according to a Guardian analysis,” wrote Dan Roberts. “The practice is hardly a new feature of U.S. politics, but career diplomats in Washington are increasingly alarmed at how it has grown. One former ambassador described it as the selling of public office.”
 
Or has it come again?
Come again. Twenty years ago, Hanson was in the lower house, and she was targeting Asians rather than Muslims.

I don't think she's a populist, either. She didn't get directly elected to the Senate; she got in on preference votes. She espouses the same rhetoric as Trump, but she only has a minority following. She polls well in a few isolated pockets of Queensland, and that's about it. It's only when she gets together with a few people from the ultra-right that she's really scary. Most of us view her the same way as we do Trump - a bad joke.
 
Come again. Twenty years ago, Hanson was in the lower house, and she was targeting Asians rather than Muslims.

I don't think she's a populist, either. She didn't get directly elected to the Senate; she got in on preference votes. She espouses the same rhetoric as Trump, but she only has a minority following. She polls well in a few isolated pockets of Queensland, and that's about it. It's only when she gets together with a few people from the ultra-right that she's really scary. Most of us view her the same way as we do Trump - a bad joke.
How can he be a bad joke if he is so popular and gets elected? You need to think of a new epithet.
 
I think Jerry Springer needs to rise up and host the presidential debate. We could also make the crowd actively participate in the election process by booing or cheering for the candidates. And in case the candidates would attack each other physically we could hire a couple of bouncers that always seem to arrive late.

Would make for nice television and get folk interested in politics again. **** yeah!
 
I think Jerry Springer needs to rise up and host the presidential debate. We could also make the crowd actively participate in the election process by booing or cheering for the candidates. And in case the candidates would attack each other physically we could hire a couple of bouncers that always seem to arrive late.

Would make for nice television and get folk interested in politics again. **** yeah!
Wasn't one of Jerry's bouncer guys named Steve? (the bald guy) Maybe we need him too.
 
I think Jerry Springer needs to rise up and host the presidential debate. We could also make the crowd actively participate in the election process by booing or cheering for the candidates. And in case the candidates would attack each other physically we could hire a couple of bouncers that always seem to arrive late.

Would make for nice television and get folk interested in politics again. **** yeah!

If Trump hit Hillary with a folding chair she'd crumple like a... well a... a folding... never mind.
 
If Trump hit Hillary with a folding chair she'd crumple like a... well a... a folding... never mind.
It's not like he's averse to that sort of stuff. Does anyone else remember Wrestlemania 23? :lol:
 
Trump admits that Obama is American after all:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-17/donald-trump-admits-barack-obama-is-american/7854604

I wonder what was more humiliating for him - having to admit that he was wrong, or having Obama announce that Osama bin Laden was confirmed dead right when Trump was fuelling the conspiracy theories about Obama's birth certificate?

Come to think of it, I doubt either experience was humiliating, since Trump is so shameless that any form of embarrassment doesn't register with him.
 
Except that's actually in the time zone to being a political talking point. Certainly far more so then when he did the vague "Second Amendment fans probably could think of a way to stop her from nominating Supreme Court members" comment a month ago, and that one didn't amount to much in the way of fallout against him; so this one probably won't do much after a week or so.
 
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