[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[Azuremen]

Nope nowhere do I imply this, that's you twisting my words around. Lybia and Syria where not in shambles before he came to office and pulling out the troops from Iraq gave ISIS a free card to start taking over. 3 situations where Obama was directly or indirectly responsible for.

The Middle East has been shambles since the dismantling of the Ottoman Empire. It was sliced up by the Allies to create various states under their direct or indirect rule and that is where a lot of the cultural clashing stems from. Of course, the Cold War did not help that situation. Syria has been in a state of turmoil well before Obama came to power.

 

[mister dog]

Ah comon, I gave literal examples here and you try to bypass them with a history lesson... Lybia and Syria were doing a lot better under Khadafi and Assad, before the west sponsored these Arab springs and basically created a power vacuum and a state of civil war as a consequence. 2 countries ruined right there and a 3rd one where ISIS came to be when American troops bailed and now they have to recapture it once again.

 

[PeterJB]

This makes no sense, how does 1.5 million of Clinton voters petitioning trump (damn pun) nearly 60 mil who voted Trump. You don't get to override the majority based on electoral of wins, with a petition. It'd be nice if laws in this nation were respected by all and understood before trying this, and hell if they were Trump wouldn't be in the big seat...

And to be honest the .2% majority popular win by Clinton is a non-argument. She slight brought in more votes in States with less electoral power...or California and New York explain that disparity.

It doesn't matter how many people sign that it's not going to happen.

Link explaining what would have to happen for Hillary to win.

It's the same as the petition that was going round after the EU Referendum. It's essentially the left saying that democracy and the will of the people don't matter if they don't work in our favour.

 

[FoRiZon]

How does that relate to the middle East being in shambles after Obama's presidency again? Did I say Al Qaeda didn't do anything beforehand or are you deliberately misquoting me?

It mostly started from George W Bush's "War on Terror", another party from Obama's.

 

[mister dog]

It mostly started from George W Bush's "War on Terror", another party from Obama's.

Iraq yes I agree, but not those other countries.

 

[Scaff]

I'm interested in how the FBI is going to explain the difference between the result if it's investigation into links between the Trump camp and Russia (no evidence of ongoing contact) and the Russians latest claim (we know most of them and have been speaking to them regularly).

 

[Dotini]

I'm interested in how the FBI is going to explain the difference between the result if it's investigation into links between the Trump camp and Russia (no evidence of ongoing contact) and the Russians latest claim (we know most of them and have been speaking to them regularly).

Could I respectfully ask you to rephrase that question, please?

 

[samurai8juice]

Also, if you want a great example of specialisation, look at Cuba.

The Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, and with it, Cuba's economic lifeline. The trade embargo imposed by Washington made it practically impossible for them to work with the rest of the world, so they had to work with what they had. Twenty-five years later, Cuba is widely regarded as a world leader in sustainable agriculture. There are massive problems with the Cuban economy as a whole, but they achieved a niche through specialisation, and if the embargo is completely relaxed, exporting their knowledge has the potential to completely revitalise the Cuban economy.

If Trump has his eye on a future where America produces everything that America needs, it gets dangerously close to autarky. There's only one country in the world that has ever come close to autarky - North Korea.

I have nothing against economic specialization. A country will do what it can do improve its economy.

The problem is when you see these things made in China, that should be manufactured in America.

At this point whatever Trump does with trade will be too little too late. You can increase tariffs but it would turn into higher prices here, and the potential that manufactories in Asia begin to sell products to other countries, but i doubt they could replace the demand of the US with the demand of someone else. A tariff would just be a castle wall that holds us in, not keeps out enemies. We really don't have the manufacturing base to isolate our self economically, either.

 

[Tornado]

Lybia

Obama was the president of France too?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Nope nowhere do I imply this, that's you twisting my words around. Lybia and Syria where not in shambles before he came to office and pulling out the troops from Iraq gave ISIS a free card to start taking over. 3 situations where Obama was directly or indirectly responsible for.

You've pointed out yourself that international politics stabilised under Obama, you were in favour of united forces taking action in Syria, Libya was already a shambles with one fanatical tribal government acting in very much the same way as the Taliban in other countries... and you've directly opposed the idea that the US started the war in Libya.

It's hard to follow your thinking sometimes - especially given that you preferred Obama as a candidate last time around.

 

[Rage Racer]

and the Russians latest claim

My current status?

 

[mister dog]

@TenEightyOne

edit: just went back in my posting history and last year I was indeed more optimistic about Obama's policies when they commenced airstrikes on ISIS. My opinion did change on the matter. I don't recall ever being in favour of the attempt of regime change in the other two countries.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Whilst I agree he is a cool cat and has a lot of charisma, that doesn't make him a good president.

I never said he was. Though I wouldn't imply he wasn't either. There have certainly been worse people in that chair, and certainly could be worse people as of next year (we'll see), but he's not as horrible as people make him out to be. And yes, he is a cool dude. It's refreshing to have someone with a sense of humor running this country.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Basket of deplorables eh?






I know, I know...it's Bush's fault!

 

[Dennisch]

Good to see that if you don't get what you want, you can go out and destroy things. Good job, morons.

 

[Legro]

I know, I know...it's Bush's Hamilton's fault!

 

[McLaren]

I really doubt liberals name calling Trump supporters is a larger problem than racism, queerphobia, Islamaphobia and xenophobia combined in the US.

That's exactly the issue; Liberals love to assume that's going to become a major problem because they assume Trump supporters are all that way. Hillary herself at one point said half his supporters were every name in the book.

That constant labeling from the left & spreading the fear that if Trump won, that would mean half the country is going to be for racism, homophophia, etc etc., is a reason he actually did win. People are tired of that labeling just because they don't agree with Liberal views.

 

[Tornado]

And it's also probably why now we're seeing stuff like colleges setting up counseling services.

 

[PeterJB]

It also doesn't make sense when Trump did noticeable better with blacks and Hispanics and Romney did.

 

[TRGTspecialist]

Basket of deplorables eh?






I know, I know...it's Bush's fault!

4,000 protestors and 26 arrests in Portland. The hypocrisy of the left could not be clearer.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Not sure what your point is with the links. I'm quite certain there are billions of tweets and facebook posts and you can find just about anything you like in them.

Did you try reading them? That might help.

These are groups of Trump supporters suggesting fragile Hillary voters can be pushed into suicide. These are groups of Trump supporters using misinformation to ensure (admittedly gullible) people that don't vote the same as them don't end up casting a legitimate vote.

Yep, the rioting going on right now is stupid; it doesn't change anything, and it only paints the left in a bad light (look at how many people are already assuming it's representative of all left-leaning people, right here). Of course, it's very likely there would have been rioting if Hillary won, too. The country is divided in a way we haven't seen in a long time.

But you, in your "enlightened", no-single-party-defines-me way, can't see a problem with those links (you need it literally spelled out for you). I suppose grabbing a few videos and sticking a clever catch-phrase before them is more your speed.

Adversarial, us-vs-them attitudes on both sides are a problem.

 

[samurai8juice]

Basket of deplorables eh?
I know, I know...it's Bush's fault!

Let's get out the world's smallest violin for all the people whose voice wasn't heard!

Boo-hoo. Your candidate lost. So now, you're going to go out, vandalize random 🤬, thinking that it will make a difference? Parading around like the Cubs just won the World Series is going to get you anywhere? It's an election. There's no re-do's. This guy is in it for four years, and there's nothing you can do about it, other than sit there and complain. Atleast the Liberal media in some ways are accepting our new President. I say give the guy a chance. It's already extremely obvious that President-Elect Trump is different than Presidential Candidate Trump.

For the love of God I hope he puts some competent, diverse people in his cabinet, because if he does I think he will have a very successful Presidency.

"We elected a racist"

No, racists elected a man who appeals to racists.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Did you try reading them? That might help.

These are groups of Trump supporters suggesting fragile Hillary voters can be pushed into suicide. These are groups of Trump supporters using misinformation to ensure (admittedly gullible) people that don't vote the same as them don't end up casting a legitimate vote.

Yep, the rioting going on right now is stupid; it doesn't change anything, and it only paints the left in a bad light (look at how many people are already assuming it's representative of all left-leaning people, right here). Of course, it's very likely there would have been rioting if Hillary won, too. The country is divided in a way we haven't seen in a long time.

But you, in your "enlightened", no-single-party-defines-me way, can't see a problem with those links (you need it literally spelled out for you). I suppose grabbing a few videos and sticking a clever catch-phrase before them is more your speed.

Adversarial, us-vs-them attitudes on both sides are a problem.

There are groups of Hillary supporters rioting in the streets.
There are groups of Hillary supporters randomly smashing cars and destroying property.
At least one has falsified a claim of a hate crime.
A group of Hillary supporters pulled a helpless old man from a car and nearly beat him to death yesterday while saying over and over, "You voted for Trump, you voted for Trump"
At least one liberal actor in Hollywood has sent out the call to take a baseball bat to "every 🤬 Republican and Indpendent [they] see".

I didn't say I didn't see a problem with those links, I asked what your point was. I'm not a mind reader. If your only point is that it's, "concerning", sure, I agree. Blind hatred and the incitement to violence is wrong on any level. It's also isolated and anecdotal and the words of an individual I'll never know or come in contact with so, like just about everything else on social media, it's pretty meaningless to me. I avoid it like the plague on a personal level. As I said earlier, I can find just about anything on social media.

 

[RC45]

Some states don't have early voting, so expecting people to take out a massive chunk out of their day(which is a Tuesday) when they might have work or something it's understandable.

Note some... 5.

5 out of 50.

And the idea that millions needed to stand in line for hours is complete bollocks.

People who chose to vote early may have had to stand in line due to EARLY voting only taking place at limited locations.

 

[McLaren]

There are groups of Hillary supporters rioting in the streets.
There are groups of Hillary supporters randomly smashing cars and destroying property.
At least one has falsified a claim of a hate crime.
A group of Hillary supporters pulled a helpless old man from a car and nearly beat him to death yesterday while saying over and over, "You voted for Trump, you voted for Trump"
At least one liberal actor in Hollywood has sent out the call to take a baseball bat to "every 🤬 Republican and Indpendent [they] see".

I didn't say I didn't see a problem with those links, I asked what your point was. I'm not a mind reader. If your only point is that it's, "concerning", sure, I agree. Blind hatred and the incitement to violence is wrong on any level. It's also isolated and anecdotal and the words of an individual I'll never know or come in contact with so, like just about everything else on social media, it's pretty meaningless to me. I avoid it like the plague on a personal level. As I said earlier, I can find just about anything on social media.

Wait, which celebrity called for that?

 

[zzz_pt]

I watched this yesterday. Pretty interesting (nothing new for some of you I'm sure, but interesting nonetheless).



And this is also pretty spot on IMO (from Kraut und Tea. I follow him even though I don't agree with absolutely everything he says on all topics)

 

[Carbonox]

The results before and after these violent protests.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Wait, which celebrity called for that?

I don't watch tv other than sports and the odd series here and there, but apparently Orange is the New Black is a big thing on tv and someone I've never heard of (nothing unusual there) called Lea DeLaria said that along with some racist, intolerant, profanity laced hashtags. Things are tense around here so I won't post a link, even hidden in a spoiler because it's laced with profanity that's against the AUP, but if you want it, ask me for it in a PM and I'll be happy to send it.

 

[VolkswagenX]

 

[Tornado]

Is there any ETA for when the Michigan and New Hampshire things will be sorted out?