Project CARS 2 General Discussion Thread - Out Now on PS4/XB1/PC

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For a sport that has nothing to do with snow/ice and therefore, neither should the game, there sure are a few F1 cars photographed testing in such conditions.
 
killerjimbag
Here from the american.

Not for each track, that would be like ~ 180 x 60 matrix (more if you consider "layouts"...and then what about weather?). We'll make sure the 1 default isn't junk though. Least we can do. Won't get you to the top of the Leaderboards off the bat, but car will feel raceable at least. Road cars will get a "track day" setup...not the OEM setup. It's a racing simulator not a "driving simulator" ;)

For players "not into" tuning, we're doing in-game tuning setup sharing/download. You can share tuning setups with each other...no more webpages and Excel sheets or screenshots. Those days are in the past (well, will be later this year!)

Uhm,yep and they don't race F1,GT3 and Indy Cars on ice,snow and mud last time I looked.Were did they get drivers to test and give feed back for these set-ups,oh the Moon I guess.💡 He said it not me! So I'll end it with that.Thanks for the clarification. That was a good one :D at the driving simulator though!:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::gtpflag:
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That's how HE LIKES to play HIS GAME but he never said you can't play it YOUR WAY
 
jake2013guy
There are some people who would seriously do that. I'd call them insane but it's for fun. Did you do a setup for driving around a kart track in the GT series? No. Because you don't take those races as seriously.
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GT series? That's a different thread. Actually I only raced on GT. Didn't have time for pretending it
McLaren
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For a sport that has nothing to do with snow/ice and therefore, neither should the game, there sure are a few F1 cars photographed testing in such conditions.
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OK, so do you see a bunch of other cars "testing" or was this one of Bernie's brilliant ideas I and every other F1 fan seemed to miss. Can we put the photo ops and BS aside now.Here some real facts about F1 and snow.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/49277/barcelona-test-called-off-due-to-snow
 
What a useless piece of "evidence" for your post; a 5-6 sentence article saying a test was called off because the teams were not prepared for the weather. No actual "facts" presented, just weather got in the way. It even says a few drivers went out, they just didn't set any times.

In the instances I posted proof of F1 cars being driven in the snow, something you seem adamant about not being possible, the teams were clearly able to get the car onto the ice/snow because that was their goal to begin with.

As the American said, the cars in the game are also properly prepped for certain weather in the game.
 
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Ok, I think we have sufficiently beaten the dead horse that is ice and snow tracks. @killerjimbag s main concern was "wasted time" on something that's not realistic, and I think we have already acknowledged that no time was wasted by allowing players to do something that is essentially an inadvertant side-effect of the game.

Let's agree that some of us don't like it and some of us see an opportunity for a bit of fun in it and move on.
 
McLaren
The test was called off because the teams were not prepared for the weather. In the instances I posted proof of F1 cars being driven in the snow, something you seem adamant about not being possible, the teams were able to prep the cars for the condition. As the American said, the cars in the game are also properly prepped for conditions in the game.
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Really? I'm from Canada,you know the country that's cold and has snow. We do not allow chains and studs on cars in Ontario do to the fact they can damage the road and fly off in snow conditions and damage cars and people at speeds at 50 kmh to 100 kmh.I've been driving in snow for 45 years,I have a vague idea how it works.Can you imagine a field of 20 cars driving around a track and chains and studs flying off a car doing even 100 MPH. Give your head a shake. It was a photo op 1 time event,it was no test session,nor was it even thought of as one. I get it, it's in the game,so was a stupid moon buggy in another game. I have my opinion,you have yours.But please don't go there with it as a test session.
 
What kind of stupid argument is that?
"I drive in the snow, therefore I know F1 cars can not drive in the snow". No one said anything about running a full grid in snow, but you seem ignorant to the fact a F1 car can even get onto such terrain and go fast.

These photos were taken over the course of years, not "1 time photo op" either.

You've been debunked that F1 cars would be destroyed going on ice, get over it. Clearly they survived just fine.
 
McLaren
What kind of stupid argument is that?
"I drive in the snow, therefore I know F1 cars can not drive in the snow". No one said anything about running a full grid in snow, but you seem ignorant to the fact a F1 car can even get onto such terrain and go fast.

These photos were taken over the course of years, not "1 time photo op" either.

You've been debunked that F1 cars would be destroyed going on ice, get over it. Clearly they survived just fine.
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I think he needs to be pointed to the Formula E car on an ice cap.
 
McLaren
What kind of stupid argument is that?
"I drive in the snow, therefore I know F1 cars can not drive in the snow". No one said anything about running a full grid in snow, but you seem ignorant to the fact a F1 car can even get onto such terrain and go fast.

These photos were taken over the course of years, not "1 time photo op" either.

You've been debunked that F1 cars would be destroyed going on ice, get over it. Clearly they survived just fine.
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Stupid argument? We're did I say that they can't. Driving a car fast on snow and ice is not an easy thing at high speed. Having driven on highways that are snow covered for 45 years and watching countless accidents do to high speed in such conditions would give me a bit of knowledge.
Go fast, as compared to what? A snowmobile with 1 tenth the power would destroy an F1 car on a snow or ice track. Their designed for it. How many laps do you think these F1 cars are doing,1,2, or as many different shots it takes to get the video? Do you have any lap times and top speeds for these "sessions".
 
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killerjimbag
Go fast, as compared to what? A snowmobile with 1 tenth the power would destroy an F1 car on a snow or ice track. How many laps do you think these F1 cars are doing,1,2, or as many different shots it takes to get the video? Do you have any lap times and top speeds for these "sessions".
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Just drop it. We've shown you examples of F1 cars driving on ice when you said there never has been. We just needed 1 and we showed you 6. (5 in the pictures and video) As well, we've shown you a Formula E car on ice. A full documentary of the event.
 
killerjimbag
Go fast, as compared to what? A snowmobile with 1 tenth the power would destroy an F1 car on a snow or ice track. How many laps do you think these F1 cars are doing,1,2, or as many different shots it takes to get the video? Do you have any lap times and top speeds for these "sessions".
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They're not laps to begin with. They're not going for speed either.

Stop looking to justify yourself. You said these cars would get destroyed; they didn't.
 
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Looks like a formula racer on a snow covered nordschleife...
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Yeah that's a Formula 1 car.:lol: Damn we drove faster than that back in our old booze cruising days in an old Oldsmobile out in the back country and we were drunk.
 
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jake2013guy
Just drop it. We've shown you examples of F1 cars driving on ice when you said there never has been. We just needed 1 and we showed you 6. (5 in the pictures and video) As well, we've shown you a Formula E car on ice. A full documentary of the event.
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Now now there,be nice,never did I ask you to drop your endless answering for the devs. Mind you the mods cleaned that up. Were did I say there never has been! As for videos,again,here is a DEMO driving on a figure 8 track. At the 8 minute mark he pretty much sums up everything quite nicely. They are not designed to race on snow. He said it not me,he drives them. He's just screaming around that track,eh,what maybe 50 mph. Yeah I said track,so did he in his "DEMO"

 
killerjimbag
Now now there,be nice,never did I ask you to drop your endless answering for the devs. Mind you the mods cleaned that up. Were did I say there never has been! As for videos,again,here is a DEMO driving on a figure 8 track. At the 8 minute mark he pretty much sums up everything quite nicely. They are not designed to race on snow. He said it not me,he drives them.

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The discussion didn't start out with the fact those cars aren't designed to drive on snow though...that's a given.
Point is that even when they are not,you can drive them in Pcars2... No matter who likes it or who doesn't,it's still possible (in the game)
The way it's going now is more like oval racing...going around in circles (and that's really not an invite to start another discussion) :D
 
TexasTyme214
On top of that, it sounds like the loose surface model helps the tarmac racing in a big way. I think it's cool that we have the ~option~ to do something we may not see in real life and still get a realistic result.
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Yes I agree,snow is somewhat like sand except it melts and freezes under friction,take your car to the beach,step on the gas in loose sand and your buried up to your axle.Your not going anywhere,double that effect on snow and ice. I want to see this model reproduce that effect.Cause that's what should happen in a high powered RWD car.
This what I picture the real model should look like.These are street cars.
 
High speed, close quarters ice racing with winged cars...... Just sayin'.........



Oh, and the shapr eyed among you might notice that these are SPRINT cars.... made for DIRT track racing.... not built for ICE track racing.... Not made for it, but still used for it.
 
F1Racer68
High speed, close quarters ice racing with winged cars...... Just sayin'.........



Oh, and the shapr eyed among you might notice that these are SPRINT cars.... made for DIRT track racing.... not built for ICE track racing.... Not made for it, but still used for it.
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Yes dirt track racing,not Oval paved track racing nor F1 courses. Thanks though,I grew up at at dirt track watching my Father and brother race for 35 years. Merrittville Speedway. I spent my childhood and youth all over Southern Ontario and Western New York state. Complete different type of car compared to F1 car. Sprint cars are disigned to drive on loose clay that hardens during the race.Hold on Sprint Cars are not square at the back. LOL. Here is a sprint car.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=qm_oIhmolyw
 
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killerjimbag
Were did they get drivers to test and give feed back for these set-ups,oh the Moon I guess.💡
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Assuming that they get the tire and vehicle dynamics right on race tracks, where the tires will be slipping as well quite a bit, especially on a wet track, with changing temps and pressures, then the physics should "scale" to various other conditions as well fairly accurately. If a calculation is correct for input in the range of 10-90, then it will probably produce reasonably correct results for a range of 0-100 as well, with no additional feedback required, just to have an extremely simplified example.

killerjimbag
Yeah that's a Formula 1 car.:lol: Damn we drove faster than that back in our old booze cruising days in an old Oldsmobile out in the back country and we were drunk.
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So? Who said the limit will be the same in snow as it would be on tarmac? The point is that these cars CAN be driven on snow and dirt. Since we are talking about a simulator I think it's perfectly normal to expect to have the chance to do so in it as well. I don't think many people will do it anyway, but allowing them to do so requires no extra work, in fact disallowing this kinda thing is what requires extra checks.

The argument for this is the same as for allowing all cars to be driveable at night, even if the car in question never had a race series with night events. If someone doesn't like to drive those cars at night, they have the option not to, but please don't argue for taking away options from others, just because you personally don't like them. They won't hurt your experience in any way.
 
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