Project CARS General Discussion Thread

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fatkrakr
Perhaps then it be better for you to state "you don't think they will" instead of "they will not".
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Not really as it is more like "No they will not for now unless a new press release states otherwise".
 
fatkrakr
If that's what makes you feel better. You just shouldn't state they "will not" and leave it at that, when you really don't know.
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Dear me... :banghead: give me the darn definite proof you have that they possibly will than!
I haven't seen you backup any of your beliefs at all either, you only have hopes. Which frankly speaking don't account for anything.
I read they were out on their own site (and provided the link), and I haven't seen anything that they in any way shape or form will return since. So unless they state otherwise via the media or on their site, I will assume the position that they will not.

I mean I can also say that I hope nVidia will make a chipset with integrated soundstorm soundcard again (like the nForce 2 chipset). However, if 100 people shout that with me it still doesn't make it a fact that 'they might think' about doing that, or anything like that.

So where have you read that they might make Playstation 4 peripherals and/or drivers for their old Playstation 3 gaming peripherals exactly? I am really curious now.
 
Don't have any proof they will or wont, but I also haven't stated they will or wont, only that I think they will. You on the other hand have stated several times that they will not. There is a big difference in saying "I believe they will" and "they will". All Im saying is that you should state its your opinion instead of stating it as a fact, because the fact is you know no more than I do.
 
fatkrakr
Don't have any proof they will or wont, but I also haven't stated they will or wont, only that I think they will. You on the other hand have stated several times that they will not. There is a big difference in saying "I believe they will" and "they will". All Im saying is that you should state its your opinion instead of stating it as a fact, because the fact is you know no more than I do.
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Okay...

Fact 1: Since the start of the Crisis in 2008 Logitech Inc (NASDAQ: LOGI) was only able to increase their stock value since the start of the second half of 2013. Only just peaking in January and February and falling again since. Their peak was at about the same level as January 2005. This gives an indication via Stock attractiveness on how well Logitech is doing.

Fact 2: Console compatible game controllers they still make and sell, and their release dates... DFGT 2007, G27 2010. That's it! The only thing they actually released recently was their "Powershell Controller + Battery for iPhone 5(s)" in December 2013. The others are the "2007: Extreme 3D Pro joystick", "2010: F310 gamepad" and the "2010: F710 Wireless gamepad".
This means that they have not released any game peripheral for PC (let alone a console) since 2010! That's 4 years ago now.

Fact 3: They claimed to exit the console market, but not the PC market. Via press release and made extra clear via Twitter. Both which have been reported by GTplanet here: https://www.gtplanet.net/logitech-may-discontinue-steering-wheel-peripherals/

Fact 4: If you look at all their recently (past 3 years) released products, most of them are aimed at the mobile market (iPad stands, multimedia/bluetooth speakers, bluetooth audio receivers), and livingroom entertainment (harmony remotes and TV webcam). For the rest they focused and kept products in areas they were only strong in. Quality casual use keyboards, mice, webcams and headsets. In terms of their "Game Gear" line they only released stuff that mostly benefit the biggest PC game genre crowd, shooters and MMO's. So they released mice with a lot of buttons, released/updated keyboards that also suited those games. Plus they released new headsets that support positional audio well.



Now with these 4 facts in mind. Their income and position in the market, the fact that they haven't released any game controller in 4 years (apart from that iphone thing), the fact about them stating they would exit the console market, the fact about what kinds of products were released in recent years.
All those facts tell me that it is not plausible that Logitech will not release any type of controller for the console market in the times ahead.
With that it is clearly safe to say that one can treat their press release statement and twitter statement as a fact, and they will not come back any time soon.
In fact with the lack of gaming controllers being released for the PC in 4 years time, it is even safe to conclude that they might not even release any game controller for the PC any time soon.


Now with these facts in mind... do you still find plausible that, before the release of Project CARS in November/December (that's what we are talking about in this forum), Logitech will come with a steering wheel that is console compatible? If so, than what facts might indicate that it is plausible that they will?
 
LogiForce
It seems only for the Harmony line though. I haven't seen any new products released console wise.
Of course it means a small hope, but its not sure if they reevaluated other lines/markets as of yet.

I have no source that screams anything specific, just that press release the Logitech forum moderator also refers to saying they are out. And like he said and I said a call is in order for any more definite or specific information.

So I might 'speculate' but I think you speculate even more in good hope. Cause I have the information that says they are out, yet you have no firm information that says they will be back in the console market in any way, shape or form.

That said I honestly hope for many racers that Logitech reconsiders and gets back into the game. Having just 2 big manufacturers (3 if you consider Mad Catz) is a bit on the poor side, and Logitech always had quality products.
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After seeing their response it's even less hope for me they would support their old product on ps4.....I might have to start thinking about other brands now, and most important thing lets hope GT7 will be released on ps4 ASAP so I don't have to change my wheel setup on the playseat between 2 consoles and 2 wheels.....what an inconvenience for their loyal customers (to both Sony and Logitech).....
 
Nice wall of text. What I think your asking me in all of that is why do I believe they will release a driver for the console. The reason I believe they will is because it will take next to no time for 1 person to write the driver, if one is even needed. I say if needed because from all I have read there doesn't appear to be any changes to the way the PS4 and PS3 use usb devices, but really don't know. Why would a company not put a few dollars into making a driver so their product will function? It will keep existing consumers happy and lead to more wheel sales for new consumers or just replacing old hardware. There is no downside to Logitech making the driver, while there are many for not making a driver.
 
LogiForce
Okay...

Fact 1: Since the start of the Crisis in 2008 Logitech Inc (NASDAQ: LOGI) was only able to increase their stock value since the start of the second half of 2013. Only just peaking in January and February and falling again since. Their peak was at about the same level as January 2005. This gives an indication via Stock attractiveness on how well Logitech is doing.

Fact 2: Console compatible game controllers they still make and sell, and their release dates... DFGT 2007, G27 2010. That's it! The only thing they actually released recently was their "Powershell Controller + Battery for iPhone 5(s)" in December 2013. The others are the "2007: Extreme 3D Pro joystick", "2010: F310 gamepad" and the "2010: F710 Wireless gamepad".
This means that they have not released any game peripheral for PC (let alone a console) since 2010! That's 4 years ago now.

Fact 3: They claimed to exit the console market, but not the PC market. Via press release and made extra clear via Twitter. Both which have been reported by GTplanet here: https://www.gtplanet.net/logitech-may-discontinue-steering-wheel-peripherals/

Fact 4: If you look at all their recently (past 3 years) released products, most of them are aimed at the mobile market (iPad stands, multimedia/bluetooth speakers, bluetooth audio receivers), and livingroom entertainment (harmony remotes and TV webcam). For the rest they focused and kept products in areas they were only strong in. Quality casual use keyboards, mice, webcams and headsets. In terms of their "Game Gear" line they only released stuff that mostly benefit the biggest PC game genre crowd, shooters and MMO's. So they released mice with a lot of buttons, released/updated keyboards that also suited those games. Plus they released new headsets that support positional audio well.



Now with these 4 facts in mind. Their income and position in the market, the fact that they haven't released any game controller in 4 years (apart from that iphone thing), the fact about them stating they would exit the console market, the fact about what kinds of products were released in recent years.
All those facts tell me that it is not plausible that Logitech will not release any type of controller for the console market in the times ahead.
With that it is clearly safe to say that one can treat their press release statement and twitter statement as a fact, and they will not come back any time soon.
In fact with the lack of gaming controllers being released for the PC in 4 years time, it is even safe to conclude that they might not even release any game controller for the PC any time soon.


Now with these facts in mind... do you still find plausible that, before the release of Project CARS in November/December (that's what we are talking about in this forum), Logitech will come with a steering wheel that is console compatible? If so, than what facts might indicate that it is plausible that they will?
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What @fatkrakr said. We're looking for drivers, not new peripherals.
 
fatkrakr
Nice wall of text. What I think your asking me in all of that is why do I believe they will release a driver for the console. The reason I believe they will is because it will take next to no time for 1 person to write the driver, if one is even needed. I say if needed because from all I have read there doesn't appear to be any changes to the way the PS4 and PS3 use usb devices, but really don't know. Why would a company not put a few dollars into making a driver so their product will function? It will keep existing consumers happy and lead to more wheel sales for new consumers or just replacing old hardware. There is no downside to Logitech making the driver, while there are many for not making a driver.
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The PS3 was on a different CPU platform than the PS4 is. The difference is the same between a mobile phone and your desktop PC. Applications and drivers of one platform won't work on the other.

Now as for the arguiment "But the PS4 is like the PC", true. But the PS4 has its own operating system that is different from that of your normal PC. So a driver does need to be written from scratch with the guidance of Sony, because it is the same as expecting a driver for Windows to work in OSX or Linux... it doesn't work like that.
To be able to program a driver for the PS4 considerable monetary and time investments need to be made in aquiring the necessary license as well as a Dev-kit PS4 from Sony. With the dev-kit you will also get development support from Sony for the PS4 as well as all the necessary documentation to make your product work.

Now since this all costs a lot of time and money, and seeing Logitech's financial state, I don't deem it plausible from my point of view that a driver for the PS4 will be made by Logitech for their existing products either. Also if I have to be honest, after looking into it tonight I find it even foolish to belief so with the current state of affairs. Especially since making a driver for an existing product that people already have will mean that there won't be a huge profit to gain from it. Which means the risks will be high, and most likely too high for the company to make a decision to do so.


So yeah, I will stick to my words. Sorry guys. ;)
 
LogiForce
Now since this all costs a lot of time and money, and seeing Logitech's financial state, I don't deem it plausible from my point of view that a driver for the PS4 will be made by Logitech for their existing products either.
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The foolish part is expecting Logitech to do it for free when we need them more than they need us. I daresay tens or hundreds of thousands of sales of future PS4 driving games will depend on gaining the Logitech drivers. Most Logitech wheel users are at the low end of the market, DFGT being the cheapest current full featured wheel I'm aware of. As such I'm guessing many of them won't want to shell out more money for a supported wheel and throw their perfectly good $100-250 wheel into the closet. It's in Sony's best interest to get this done.
 
Johnnypenso
The foolish part is expecting Logitech to do it for free when we need them more than they need us. I daresay tens or hundreds of thousands of sales of future PS4 driving games will depend on gaining the Logitech drivers. Most Logitech wheel users are at the low end of the market, DFGT being the cheapest current full featured wheel I'm aware of. As such I'm guessing many of them won't want to shell out more money for a supported wheel and throw their perfectly good $100-250 wheel into the closet. It's in Sony's best interest to get this done.
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I never said Logitech would do it for free. I clearly stated that there won't be enough profit for Logitech in making drivers out of their own will. This because most people who will profit from these drivers already tend to own a Logitech wheel. So there won't be enough DFGT and G27 sales to justify the investment (comming from their own wallet) in PS4 drivers.

In any case, you reckon Sony or the racing game makers will have to give Logitech some money and a dev-kit to make some? Probably, but I don't know if either party is willing in this. That's something completely up in the air.

Well, I say game makers but SMS has all their money in pCARS and WOS. EA isn't doing that great financially either as they closed some studios not too long ago I believe. So it all boils down to Sony, PD and maybe Evolution Studios to finance it.
Now PD might say that they already have the T500 as their branded wheel, Evo Studios has the T80 as their wheel. And I reckon both wheels will be supported in both upcoming games from these studios. So I am not sure how willing they are to invest in older wheel support.
Sony on the other hand has reasons to improve sales, so they might be willing to chip in. So let's hope they will, but I am not holding my breath for it. Even they have to see how much they will gain from it first before deciding to invest.


Let's just wait and see what either Driveclub or pCARS' controller compatibility list will look like. That's all we can do anyway, no matter how much we discuss this. If a wheel's drivers aren't included with the game than the wheel just won't work, not until a possible patch that adds support at least.

My bet is that the compatibility list will only have Thrustmaster's T500 and T80 on it. Maybe a Fanatec wheel if we are lucky, but I don't know how fast Armin can work on getting their old hardware to work on the new console. Fanatec has always been a willing company to do everything they can to satisfy their customers, with XB1 compatibility being a pain because of that XID chip. Blame Microsoft and their fancy way of going about FFB and controller communication for this.
Maybe Mad Catz will make a wheel too, who knows? But Logitech is really up in the air in my opinion without any positive indications as far as I can forsee.
 
FLX1981
Uhm, excuse me but this is still the Projet CARS thread, right?

There is a whole subforum for hardware talk, you know... :crazy:
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Peripherals are life and death of those AAA racing titles, at least I am not going to get ps4 Pcars if there no news for what wheels will be used, though there is still about 5 months to get to know.
 
I have no reason to doubt the T500RS will be supported, it has been confirmed for Driveclub, and I have seen both a banner for Thrustmaster, and the T500RS shown in-game.
 
FLX1981
Uhm, excuse me but this is still the Projet CARS thread, right?
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To be honest not much going on to talk about, and the last time I brought something up the end result was the forum being flooded with pictures of girls in tight skimpy outfits. Well if you want to see the new Clio Cup car I posted it on the photo thread.
 
I would be rather gutted if there is no Ps4 support for the logitech DFGT, but i will gladly play with the controller for this game, it will not put me off one little bit.
 
Who is this tidux guy, does he have some connection with either of the two companies? Or just a random dude posting stuff as fact on the interwebz? :odd:
 
Didn't see that coming. Not really my cup of tea but a brilliant addition to the content of the game, there really should be something for everyone.
 

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