Project CARS - Logitech Wheels NOT Supported on PS4

[thegt500]

I only have the DFGT to compare the T300 with so can't comment on what the G25 is like, but yeah, I agree that having a clutch/shifter when you've been used to them is better. In fact, I've been getting to grips with the T3PA pedals and TH8A shifter that I bought to upgrade the standard kit that ships with the T300 and find it more immersive than paddles. That said, the quality of the T300 has really won me over not only in the FFB, but also the build quality and quietness.
I really would urge you to at least try it and compare it to the G25 before you make a decision, it feels a heck of a lot better than the DFGT, and some say, better than a G27 in some ways.

 

[Ian_83]

I only have the DFGT to compare the T300 with so can't comment on what the G25 is like, but yeah, I agree that having a clutch/shifter when you've been used to them is better. In fact, I've been getting to grips with the T3PA pedals and TH8A shifter that I bought to upgrade the standard kit that ships with the T300 and find it more immersive than paddles. That said, the quality of the T300 has really won me over not only in the FFB, but also the build quality and quietness.
I really would urge you to at least try it and compare it to the G25 before you make a decision, it feels a heck of a lot better than the DFGT, and some say, better than a G27 in some ways.

I'm sure that the T300 is better than the aging G25/7, but it's MUCH more expensive when you have to purchase the extra pedals and shifter just to get the same spec as the G27. If the T300 had been around £300 with the T3PA + TH8A included, Thrustmaster would have convinced many Logitech customers to make the switch.

As it stands, the G27 is still better value for money......plus we already own it.

Fingers crossed for Logitech support soon.

EDIT/// That link to the G29 is possibly bogus, I can't find anymore evidence of a G29 (not recent) and the images used are just stock images of a DFGT wheel (without the shifter) and the G27 pedals. I'd take this with a pinch of salt.

 

[Ian_83]

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/sh...ly-Mad-Studios&p=926970&viewfull=1#post926970

We have to work within the legal constraints of non disclosure agreements.

We have heard a couple of mentions about a NDA now, so I think that there is certainly some truth in this. The question now is, how long until the NDA passes and we can find out exactly what the situation is?

At the very least, we now know that something is happening behind the scenes, whether it's good or bad news remains to be seen.

#FingersCrossed

 

[skazz]

The fact that SMS are even talking about it means the news is probably promising. Maybe someone at Logitech finally did a cost-benefit analysis and concluded that they can continue selling the 5-6 year old G27/DFGT designs for clear profit with only a small investment in PS4 drivers.

 

[Fgame]

Surely it's still to do with the 3rd party licensed tech inside the Logitech wheels that expires at summer 2015. Once the license expires SMS can update Project Cars with Logitech support..

 

[VBR]

At the very least, we now know that something is happening behind the scenes, whether it's good or bad news remains to be seen.

Be calm and wait for some good news here.

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[Fryto]

Surely it's still to do with the 3rd party licensed tech inside the Logitech wheels that expires at summer 2015. Once the license expires SMS can update Project Cars with Logitech support..

What's interesting is that Fanatec uses exactly the same tech, and they were apparently able to get it approved ahead of the summer 2015 timeframe.
Wait and see I guess. Maybe they could only convince Logitech very recently to start building the required drivers with that 'summer 2015' timeline in sight...

 

[TayeezSA]

Great for Pcars then if all goes according to plan. Maybe Kaz also has a steak in this and he's been involved hence his alledged comments about the matter. Plus, a free replacement G27 is on the way for me what to do with my faulty one... Hmmmm



I also wonder what that will mean for us Driveclub players too...

 

[FLX1981]

I also wonder what that will mean for us Driveclub players too...

Easy: One more reason to buy pcars! 💡

 

[VBR]

Surely it's still to do with the 3rd party licensed tech inside the Logitech wheels that expires at summer 2015.

Never heard of such a thing. Got some proof to back that up? Links please!

 

[Fgame]

Never heard of such a thing. Got some proof to back that up? Links please!

It has been discussed on GTP before, try a search for "immersion".
I think a patent lasts 14 years. So if the immersion patent was before summer 2001 we are good.
Here is a list of immersion patents:
http://www.immersion.com/haptics-technology/patents/

Also check out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immersion_v._Sony
for a bit of history between Immersion and Sony.

Immersion has sued a number of companies for breach of patent. Developers need to be careful what they do until it is safe to allow support.

In terms of fanatec and thrustmaster support I understand they have contributed an appropriate fee to cover the license costs in order to be supported on the PS4. They are selling console market wheels. Logitech are not selling console market wheels so do not wish to pay any fees to get support on the PS4.

 

[LordHernan]

I only have the DFGT to compare the T300 with so can't comment on what the G25 is like, but yeah, I agree that having a clutch/shifter when you've been used to them is better. In fact, I've been getting to grips with the T3PA pedals and TH8A shifter that I bought to upgrade the standard kit that ships with the T300 and find it more immersive than paddles. That said, the quality of the T300 has really won me over not only in the FFB, but also the build quality and quietness.
I really would urge you to at least try it and compare it to the G25 before you make a decision, it feels a heck of a lot better than the DFGT, and some say, better than a G27 in some ways.

I was tossing up between the T300 for my PS4 and a Thrustmaster TX and chose the TX as there are more quality racing games out on xbone at the moment, plus FM6 in November. Whilst the TX is obviously superior to my old DFGT, the difference in quality is no where as big as the massive difference in price between these 2 wheels. The quality of the DFGT is amazing for what you pay. If my new TX gives me half the joy my trusty DFGT gave me, I'll be happy.

 

[VBR]

It has been discussed on GTP before, try a search for "immersion".
I think a patent lasts 14 years. So if the immersion patent was before summer 2001 we are good.
Here is a list of immersion patents:
http://www.immersion.com/haptics-technology/patents/

Also check out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immersion_v._Sony
for a bit of history between Immersion and Sony.

Immersion has sued a number of companies for breach of patent. Developers need to be careful what they do until it is safe to allow support.

In terms of fanatec and thrustmaster support I understand they have contributed an appropriate fee to cover the license costs in order to be supported on the PS4. They are selling console market wheels.

It would all depend on whether Immersion has a utility patent, or a design patent, or both. Design patents are for 14 years, utility patents are for 20 years.

Also, why do you assume that Immersion's licensing of FFB tech to Logitech forbids them to make drivers for PS4? I think you & some others are reading way to much into this.

The court case between Immersion & Sony is something I'm well aware of. It was to do with Sony's Dual Shock system, & had nothing to do with FFB wheels.

Logitech have already said they're working on PS4 compatibility, & Sony have said that any wheel manufacturers can make drivers for PS4 games. I presume that it's up to Sony & Logitech to work out a deal, which is probably what they've been doing all along behind the scenes.

I see no evidence whatsoever that Immersion have anything to do with Logitech wheels not currently working on PS4.

Logitech are not selling console market wheels so do not wish to pay any fees to get support on the PS4.

That's plain & simply wrong, they're still selling the DFGT on their website here, & Logitech have made no statements that they do not wish to pay money to get support on PS4.

What they actually said is that they are pulling out of the console peripheral market, however, they are still selling current products like the DFGT. The G25 & G27 are not console peripherals, but are PC peripherals, & it's in Logitech's best interests to sell as many G27's as possible. So I see no reason why they wouldn't want to supply a PS4 driver to game developers like SMS. It's more likely that it's NDA's & exclusive licensing deals that are holding them back for now.


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[Fgame]

Ok had a look they are utility patents, so 20 years.
In which case these are the patents expiring this year:
5,389,865 02/14/95
Method and System for Providing a Tactile Virtual Reality and Manipulator Defining an Interface Device Therefor

5,414,337 05/09/95
Actuator Having Electronically Controllable Tactile Responsiveness

5,438,529 08/01/95
Percussion Input Device for Personal Computer Systems

5,459,382
B1 5,459,382* 10/17/95
06/09/98*
Method and System for Providing a Tactile Virtual Reality and Manipulator Defining an Interface Device Therefor
*Re-Examined



And as you say it may have no relevance at all.
And the actual matter could be to do with licenses as I mentioned in my first post and not patents, which confuses the issue I suppose. So getting back to licenses would be the more likely path of speculation.

 

[Ian_83]

And as you say it may have no relevance at all.

Only God knows the answer and I'm not particularly religious so I can't ask him........

......although I will admit that I pray for this to be resolved, not only for myself but for everyone else that has purchased a Logitech wheel and didn't foresee this problem of compatibility with the PS4.

 

[Spitfire77]

So I have always read and pretty much believed that it was due to the immersion contract or patent.. anyways when I looked through the T300 manual after mine arrived about 2 weeks ago.. the last page has an interesting logo.

 

[TayeezSA]

So I have always read and pretty much believed that it was due to the immersion contract or patent.. anyways when I looked through the T300 manual after mine arrived about 2 weeks ago.. the last page has an interesting logo.

So perhaps the green light has been given to Thrustmaster but Logitech is being barred.

Interesting, very interesting.

 

[Obsidian-2]

Sounds like some nonsense over licensing fees to me. Logitech has probably not paid Sony, so we all suffer.

As much as I want to play Project CARS, I won't buy it until my G27 is supported. I am sure there are many people who feel exactly the same way ... it is the game publisher that suffers the most because of this.

 

[VBR]

So I have always read and pretty much believed that it was due to the immersion contract or patent.. anyways when I looked through the T300 manual after mine arrived about 2 weeks ago.. the last page has an interesting logo.

You'll find the Immersion logo on the G25 & G27 manual as well. It just means that Immersion license the use of their patented tech in these wheels. That's all.

 

[Spitfire77]

You'll find the Immersion logo on the G25 & G27 manual as well. It just means that Immersion license the use of their patented tech in these wheels. That's all.

Right I understand that.. but there are a lot of posts here and on other forums that stated it was an issue with immersion as to why the logitech stuff was not supported on ps4.. so I am just showing my confusion. If it was immersion tech licensing then did Thrustmaster/Sony pay out for Thrustmaster but no one else? Also does Fanatec use immersion?

 

[VBR]

Right I understand that.. but there are a lot of posts here and on other forums that stated it was an issue with immersion as to why the logitech stuff was not supported on ps4.. so I am just showing my confusion. If it was immersion tech licensing then did Thrustmaster/Sony pay out for Thrustmaster but no one else? Also does Fanatec use immersion?

There's lots of confusion because there's lots of speculation, & lots of assumptions about the speculation, which has been going round & round in circles & leading to more confusion!

Fanatec make FFB wheels, FFB tech is patented by Immersion, so I presume that Fanatec pay a license fee like every other FFB wheel manufacturer.

Exactly what's going on behind the scenes regarding Logitech & PS4 compatibility is unknown. We have very few facts to reach a sound conclusion.

 

[Spitfire77]

There's lots of confusion because there's lots of speculation, & lots of assumptions about the speculation, which has been going round & round in circles & leading to more confusion!

Fanatec make FFB wheels, FFB tech is patented by Immersion, so I presume that Fanatec pay a license fee like every other FFB wheel manufacturer.

Exactly what's going on behind the scenes regarding Logitech & PS4 compatibility is unknown. We have very few facts to reach a sound conclusion.

Cool thanks for clearing that up for me.. now I know that I don't know anything about it


Edit - I love the internet - presenting (no proof if it is real or fake, though for now I bet it is fake) the G29

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=203761&d=1432153089&thumb=1

 

[Spitfire77]

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[LVracerGT]

Cool thanks for clearing that up for me.. now I know that I don't know anything about it


Edit - I love the internet - presenting (no proof if it is real or fake, though for now I bet it is fake) the G29

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=203761&d=1432153089&thumb=1

My first reaction was fake, but those button housings around the wheel face look pretty good. It's either real, heavily photoshopped, or someone went very far to modify their G27.

 

[greggypoos]

My first reaction was fake, but those button housings around the wheel face look pretty good. It's either real, heavily photoshopped, or someone went very far to modify their G27.

Hmmm.. looks real to me. It's ugly but, as you say, the buttons look too good to be faked. Doesn't look photoshopped either.
Could it be that Logitech are waiting to release a new wheel before doing whatever needs doing to add support for their wheels on ps4? Could explain both the NDA and the "good news"?

 

[LVracerGT]

Hmmm.. looks real to me. It's ugly but, as you say, the buttons look too good to be faked. Doesn't look photoshopped either.
Could it be that Logitech are waiting to release a new wheel before doing whatever needs doing to add support for their wheels on ps4? Could explain both the NDA and the "good news"?

Just did a bunch of digging in that forum thread. It's real... There's documents in Russian that confirm it. Looks like it's going to be available from 7/5/2015 until 6/5/2020. Also found a document confirming a new shifter. Hard to say whether it will come with the wheel and pedals or a separate purchase. Pretty stoked!!!

Here's the document link for the G29 wheel and pedals. Translate it from Russian and read down the column of info on the right side of the page.

http://novocert.ru/Documents/Document.aspx?Id=4598470

And the side shifter

http://novocert.ru/Documents/Document.aspx?Id=4598505

Someone needs to post the "it's happening" gif below. Seems appropriate this time!!!

 

[LVracerGT]

Double post

 

[sems4arsenal]

I only have the DFGT to compare the T300 with so can't comment on what the G25 is like, but yeah, I agree that having a clutch/shifter when you've been used to them is better. In fact, I've been getting to grips with the T3PA pedals and TH8A shifter that I bought to upgrade the standard kit that ships with the T300 and find it more immersive than paddles. That said, the quality of the T300 has really won me over not only in the FFB, but also the build quality and quietness.
I really would urge you to at least try it and compare it to the G25 before you make a decision, it feels a heck of a lot better than the DFGT, and some say, better than a G27 in some ways.

Oh yeah no doubt I'll give it a try (hopefully it works since I heard they have reliability issues).

 

[TayeezSA]

Now I know Photoshop and that wheel looks real.

HOWEVER, if you look closely, it just looks like a modified G27. Look at rim frame and also the wheelbase. Then again it could be the new wheels for Logitech's PC range that could be used on PS4 for all we know.

This just boggles my mind I tell you. Though I have to say, give the public what they want, G27 and DFGT support with the brand new G27+ G- Edition so G it's unbelievable

 

[LVracerGT]

Now I know Photoshop and that wheel looks real.

HOWEVER, if you look closely, it just looks like a modified G27. Look at rim frame and also the wheelbase. Then again it could be the new wheels for Logitech's PC range that could be used on PS4 for all we know.

This just boggles my mind I tell you. Though I have to say, give the public what they want, G27 and DFGT support with the brand new G27+ G- Edition so G it's unbelievable

The guy who leaked the picture, and the documents in Russian, are stating the G29 is "the best of both the G27 and DFGT in one wheel" so yeah. That's also just a prototype. I imagine the final product will look a bit different. Still happy there's going to be a new G wheel!