PS3 General Discussion

No it is not just a gaming system. It is a multimedia PC. But, um, being on GTP kind of gurantees that you already have a multimedia machine, does it not?
Yes it has a Blu-Ray player. But what if Blu-Ray fails?
No it isn't just a gaming system, but niether was this, this, this, this or this, and look at how successful they were because they had a price that wasn't for a game console. I'm not saying that the PS3 will suffer the same fate (and I believe the opposite will occur honestly), but assuming it's price is automatically justified because of the amount of extras you are getting is foolish.



So, everyone complains about GT: HD, because you have to "pay for your extras".

No one complains about the 360, which essentially is a stripped down version of what it should be, and you have to pay (out the a$$) for your extras?

Honestly, you're all just so freakin subjective and not looking at anything the way it SHOULD be looked at. Blu-Ray will *not* fail. Blu-Ray has many benefits for GAMES...GAMES, not MOVIES, GAMES.

HDD Standard is WONDERFUL for GAMES. HDD *not* standard is *not* good.

Wireless controllers as a STANDARD is WONDERFUL. NOT standard, however, is foolish.


Just give up this pathetic BS about what is right and what's not priced right. Honestly, the 360 is a ripoff all the way home when you look at it for value. For the idiot who doesn't mind having to upgrade in the future, sure, it's awesome, but I've since sold mine, because it was a waste of my time and money. I don't want to pay $400 for a small HDD, no Wifi, no High Def movies, SMALL STORAGE SPACE FOR GAMES, and a wireless controller that I have to fork out another $20 just for it to be fully functional (rechargable). AND the fact that I have to pay $50 for an average online experience that I can experience for free on PC (since almost all of the good 360 games are also on PC).

MS makes a killing on downloadable content, and just rapes consumers with their unnecessary $50 surcharge for their average online service.
 
So, everyone complains about GT: HD, because you have to "pay for your extras".

No one complains about the 360, which essentially is a stripped down version of what it should be, and you have to pay (out the a$$) for your extras?

Honestly, you're all just so freakin subjective and not looking at anything the way it SHOULD be looked at. Blu-Ray will *not* fail. Blu-Ray has many benefits for GAMES...GAMES, not MOVIES, GAMES.

HDD Standard is WONDERFUL for GAMES. HDD *not* standard is *not* good.

Wireless controllers as a STANDARD is WONDERFUL. NOT standard, however, is foolish.


Just give up this pathetic BS about what is right and what's not priced right. Honestly, the 360 is a ripoff all the way home when you look at it for value. For the idiot who doesn't mind having to upgrade in the future, sure, it's awesome, but I've since sold mine, because it was a waste of my time and money. I don't want to pay $400 for a small HDD, no Wifi, no High Def movies, SMALL STORAGE SPACE FOR GAMES, and a wireless controller that I have to fork out another $20 just for it to be fully functional (rechargable). AND the fact that I have to pay $50 for an average online experience that I can experience for free on PC (since almost all of the good 360 games are also on PC).

MS makes a killing on downloadable content, and just rapes consumers with their unnecessary $50 surcharge for their average online service.
Appreciate your opinion, but comparing GT HD game and a Playstation 3 console is a stretch. Apples and oranges.
 
If you tool up your XB360 you quickly spend far more than you would on a PS3 with extra pads, hell subscribing to live for 4 years puts the XB360 price upto the PS3's. It's getting over the mental block of spending that much money in one lump sum on something that you'll primarilly be using to play games on.
 
My point is, people complain that they have to pay for other things, i.e. the cars. It's the same business model the 360 is using. They charge you for the core, and then you have to pay for everything else after that. It's the exact same business model, products aside.

The 360 requires you to buy the console (in GT: HD's case, the game) and then if you want the expanded functionality (i.e. Cars and Tracks, and in the 360's case, Wifi or HD-DVD) then you ahve to pay extra.

The difference is, with the 360, you don't gain any benefit from upgrading to an HD-DVD drive. Combined with the lack of HDMI (a big factor for me) or the fact that I cannot upgrade my HDD until THEY put out an overpriced undersized HDD (as is the case with their current HDD)...then I'm stuck.

Again, as I said, I vew the 360 as a product that is mid way. MS rushed it out, and failed to plan for the future at all, just like they did with their Short Lived Xbox. I can honestly see the MS console life cycle being around 4-5 years max, seeing as how they completely abandonded the original Xbox...yea, that's customer service allright...
 
Honestly, you're all just so freakin subjective and not looking at anything the way it SHOULD be looked at. Blu-Ray will *not* fail. Blu-Ray has many benefits for GAMES...GAMES, not MOVIES, GAMES.
HDD Standard is WONDERFUL for GAMES. HDD *not* standard is *not* good.
Wireless controllers as a STANDARD is WONDERFUL. NOT standard, however, is foolish.
Just give up this pathetic BS about what is right and what's not priced right. Honestly, the 360 is a ripoff all the way home when you look at it for value. For the idiot who doesn't mind having to upgrade in the future, sure, it's awesome, but I've since sold mine, because it was a waste of my time and money. I don't want to pay $400 for a small HDD, no Wifi, no High Def movies, SMALL STORAGE SPACE FOR GAMES, and a wireless controller that I have to fork out another $20 just for it to be fully functional (rechargable). AND the fact that I have to pay $50 for an average online experience that I can experience for free on PC (since almost all of the good 360 games are also on PC).
I fail to see where I said the PS3 is a bad value. I also fail to see how if it isn't you opinion it is wrong. Continuously, I fail to see how the person who bought the 360 is an idiot who doesn't mind having to upgrade in the future, when the exact same thing applies to the PS2.
While I agree with many, if not all, of your points, you could probably present them in a way that doesn't make you look like a zealot to the Sony faith; presenting your views in a similar manner to religion (if you don't agree with me, you're wrong and deserve to burn in hell). I merely said that having tons of bonuses does not automatically guarantee success or good value, which has been proven multiple times since 1993. I did not say the PS3 was a bad value or that the 360 is a good one. In fact, I think quite the opposite.
 
So, everyone complains about GT: HD, because you have to "pay for your extras".
No, you don't "pay for extras", you pay extra for what should come with the game already (I'm talking about GT:HD Classic).

No one complains about the 360, which essentially is a stripped down version of what it should be, and you have to pay (out the a$$) for your extras?
It's not our fault that not everyone is a Gen-X geek with money blowing out his nose for the latest cutting edge technology.

Honestly, you're all just so freakin subjective and not looking at anything the way it SHOULD be looked at. Blu-Ray will *not* fail. Blu-Ray has many benefits for GAMES...GAMES, not MOVIES, GAMES.
And that doesn't mean Blu-ray will be a success.
HDD Standard is WONDERFUL for GAMES. HDD *not* standard is *not* good.
Wonderful? Meh. Though I agree about the second part.
Wireless controllers as a STANDARD is WONDERFUL. NOT standard, however, is foolish.
And how is that?

Just give up this pathetic BS about what is right and what's not priced right. Honestly, the 360 is a ripoff all the way home when you look at it for value.
True, but who's going to use the extra value? Not many people I reckon.

For the idiot who doesn't mind having to upgrade in the future, sure, it's awesome, but I've since sold mine, because it was a waste of my time and money.
Ok, first of all, why would anyone have to upgrade in the future? Second of all, is 12-year-old Timmy an idiot because he didn't want to pay $600 for some hi-def gaming?

I don't want to pay $400 for a small HDD, no Wifi, no High Def movies, SMALL STORAGE SPACE FOR GAMES, and a wireless controller that I have to fork out another $20 just for it to be fully functional (rechargable).
And I don't want to fork out an extra $200 for tons of HDD space I will never use, Wi-Fi that I probably won't use (and even if I could, I'd go the Ethernet cord route for the fact that I'll have a better connection), and for a technology I will never use (it might benefit gaming, but multi-disc games, should they occur, aren't a big deal). Also, how is 20GB small storage space for games? And you can go to your local wholesale retailer and pick up enough AA batteries for your controller for a year and a half for only $10.
AND the fact that I have to pay $50 for an average online experience that I can experience for free on PC (since almost all of the good 360 games are also on PC).
And you have to have a $1200 PC to play those games.

MS makes a killing on downloadable content, and just rapes consumers with their unnecessary $50 surcharge for their average online service.
It's four freaking bucks a month. And really, I doubt Sony's system will be nearly as good. If Sony's system, online quality, etc etc, is any better than Xbox Live, then I'll agree that XBL is a ripoff.
 
NY times PS3 review:


By SETH SCHIESEL
Published: October 23, 2006

SAN FRANCISCO, Oct. 22 — I never thought Ludacris would get in the way of my video game habit.

But there I was Thursday evening on the second floor of the warehouse Sony rented here to show off its soon-to-be-released PlayStation 3 game console, checking out the acrobatic skateboard moves in Tony Hawk’s Project 8, when the floor started shaking.

It was only then that I looked up and realized that the dozen other PS3 stations around the room had been shut down. Almost all of the journalists Sony had invited to test drive the new machine, and almost all of the Sony employees there to handle them, had decamped downstairs to watch Ludacris, in full blinged-out mode, perform a few yards away from the sushi bar.

I like Dirty South hip-hop, and I really like Ludacris. But the emotions that surged through me in that instant were not excitement and anticipation. Rather, they were anger and frustration: anger that I had to put down the controller and frustration that I had to go see Ludacris rather than keep playing.

That’s the kind of effect the PlayStation 3 can have on a person.

The PS3 will not be available to North American consumers until Nov. 17, but last week’s brief demonstration made clear that Sony has produced a powerful entertainment machine. As Japan’s digital champion, Sony has created an elegant paragon of domestic technology that seems set to hold its own against Microsoft’s Xbox 360 and the Wii console due next month from Nintendo.

It’s about time. The PS3 was originally scheduled to be released in the spring, but problems with Sony’s fancy new Blu-Ray disc system forced a delay. The machine was also originally supposed to be released in the world’s major markets at the same time, but the production problems have forced Sony to delay the European launch until next year.

And then there’s the fact that it will be all but impossible for normal, everyday consumers to actually find a PlayStation 3 for sale this holiday season. Sony will be able to deliver only 400,000 copies of the machine to North America at first, and those will almost certainly sell out within hours, even though the top version of the PS3 will cost a mighty $600 before you even buy any games. (There are going to be a lot of angst-ridden parents and frustrated kids out there this year.)

But for all of those caveats, just a few hours actually playing the thing last week made clear that for most gamers the wait will be worth it.

Start with the basics. Nongamers often think that video games are experienced mostly through the eyes and ears, but any player will tell you that the real interfaces for a video game are the hands.

So when you first pick it up, the PS3 controller feels exactly like the classic PlayStation 2 controller that has become familiar to millions of people around the world. That’s a good thing. Of course, the first big difference is that there aren’t any wires connecting the controller to the slick black base station. (In this next generation of game systems, wireless controllers have become de rigeur.)

The second thing one notices is what Sony is calling the controller’s Sixaxis feature: you can simply tilt, turn and twist the entire controller left and right, up and down, without pushing any buttons, to produce action on the screen. So in a game like Ubisoft’s Blazing Angels Squadrons of WWII, I could fly my Spitfire fighter over the Dunkirk evacuation in a dogfight against the Nazis in an entirely intuitive fashion as if I were holding an actual airplane control stick. Likewise, I can easily direct my dragon in the game Lair in swooping turns and dives.

In fairness, it has to be pointed out that Sony’s tilt-and-turn feature does not seem quite as robust or quite as integral to the system as the similar (but more powerful) functionality in Nintendo’s Wii. If it works as promised, the Nintendo system will let a player use the two hands separately, so one hand could hold a virtual sword and the other a virtual shield, for example, while the Sony system forces the user to hold the controller with two hands together. And it looks as if it will take some time before game developers learn to use the Sixaxis technology as more than a glorified gimmick in anything outside of flying games. But that said, the technology does seem to work properly and is one clear advantage the PlayStation 3 has over the Xbox 360, which does not include anything like it.

But what about the PS3’s graphics? They are simply gorgeous. Whether it was the almost photo-realistic rain spray coming off Michael Schumacher’s Ferrari in Formula 1, the ferocious aliens (or are they mutants?) in Resistance: Fall of Man, or the mist-shrouded links in Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07, at times I found myself almost mesmerized, just wanting to watch the screen rather than actually play the games. At some level it seems a shame that many of the people who get a PlayStation 3 will not have the high-definition television required to get the most out of the system.

Are the PlayStation 3 graphics leaps and bounds beyond those delivered by the Xbox 360? No, or more accurately, not yet. Out of the gate, the PS3 graphics and the Xbox 360 graphics will be almost indistinguishable. But I did come away with an impression that a year or two from now, once developers figure out how to harness more of the PS3’s prodigious silicon horsepower, the Sony machine may be able to deliver a level of overall graphical immersion beyond what is possible on the Microsoft unit.

All in all, Sony can consider its presentation on Thursday a success. The PS3 unquestionably delivers a next-generation digital entertainment experience. It is impossible to make any sweeping judgments based on only a few hours of play time (especially about the system’s online component). In just a few weeks players in North America and Japan will have the opportunity to truly put the machine through its paces. But for now it looks as if the PlayStation 3 just might live up to Sony’s hype.

Maybe even Ludacris will get one.

Video Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDyh5dXO1Jg
 
Not really news, but just a recap:

24 things you need to know about the PS3:


Touch-sensitive power and eject buttons are a nice touch — literally

The eject and power on buttons on the face of the PS3 are touch sensitive, not unlike the iPod’s wheel or the Chocolate phone’s softkeys. It’s a nice, classy addition that helps give the PS3 a more cutting-edge look and feel, especially compared to the somewhat clunky “clicky” Xbox 360 power and eject buttons. A small detail, perhaps, but on worth noting.

15,000 kiosks across the nation by the end of November

Sony is doing a huge retail rollout of their newfangled system, and these units will be networked to provide updates and new content when necessary. Phil Harrison says that the days of promo discs inside these units is pretty much over. No more physical distribution hassles; new demos can be deployed nationwide in a matter of hours, securely, without assistance by us mere mortals. An elimination of demo discs also means more space on the delivery truck for things that can actually be sold, rather than being dedicated to promotional material. Also, the kiosks will use Sony Bravia HDTVs, which we understand are rather sexy.

We predict that SkyNet will be fully operational just in time for Christmas. Hope you’re not on the naughty list!

The PS3 is not just a cheap Blu-ray player

Nothing about the unit looks or feels cheap. The build quality of the console itself seems to be sturdy and substantial. The familiar red and blue/green LED lights, which indicate the system status, make a return from the PS2, but look more slick and futuristic. There are also tiny “feet” on the unit’s left side — handy for standing it in a stable vertical position. And the chrome trim is a surprisingly cool bonus on the $599 premium model, for purely aesthetic reasons.

Not all games will be 1080p

Although the hardware is certainly capable of delivering 1080p at 60 frames per second, certain titles will not reach this destination. In some cases, it’s a matter of not having enough time or resources before launch to include the feature. In other cases, the game is so visually complex that ensuring 60 FPS 1080p might be more trouble than it’s worth. We were informed that Resistance: Fall of Man maxes out at 720p — but this is understandable in light of its ambitious multiplayer. The game uses some pretty advanced physics calculations that require a ton of horsepower. Motorstorm also does not support 1080p and requires some serious calculation for its crash sequences, if appearances are any indication.

The Sixaxis controller doesn’t feel too light

In fact, it feels just about right; light enough to move easily for motion-sensing controls, but still sturdy enough to withstand some serious grip pressure (we tried). So much for those other reports that called it “cheap, plasticky” and “uncomfortable,” huh?

Speaking of which, the Sixaxis motion sensing takes some getting used to.

Don’t get us wrong: it’s a blast guiding Lair’s dragon around using tilting motions on the controller. But the controller seems to respond a bit better to subtle, gentle motions (tipping the controller slightly left made the dragon veer left; gently dipping the top forward made the dragon descend). Wildly jerking the controller around will not only clip your wings, but raise your temper. Remember: easy does it!

The PSP will connect via Wi-Fi to the PS3’s hard drive

While using the PSP as a rear-view mirror in Gran Turismo would necessitate a mutation of controllable limbs, Sony has come up with something much more intriguing lately. You can access the PS3’s system menus via the PSP, wirelessly, using a feature called “Remote Play.” Big Kahuna Phil Harrison also says that the PSP will eventually be able to access the PS3’s hard drive from any Wi-Fi spot in the world, rather than just on your local wireless network.

The Sixaxis gets roughly 30 hours of battery life

Though there doesn’t seem to be a way to swap out the battery once it’s been exhausted. Oh, well — we officially entered the age of “disposable technology” with the iPod anyway.

There’s no “lag” on the wireless Sixaxis controller, either

Bluetooth technology has come a long way, apparently; to see an example of poorly implemented Bluetooth wireless controllers, just check out the wildly erratic performance of Apple’s Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. But there’s no need to worry about the Sixaxis — in our experience, it stayed smooth, lag-free, and responsive in wireless mode.

The Sixaxis’s wireless range tops out at over 65 feet (20 meters)

This should be plenty of room for players with big, huge living room setups (that’s surely not us…curse tiny San Francisco!).

A new controller will set you back 50 beans

Sony confirmed this bit of news in their Gamers Day ‘06 presentation. The price is roughly in line with the Xbox 360’s wireless controller, though in the case of the PlayStation 3, there’s only one version of the controller.

Your PlayStation 2 save game files can be transferred to the PS3

With a $14.99 adaptor, you’ll be able to move over all your saves, something you can’t do with the Xbox 360. Backwards compatibility in the PS3 is a hardware solution — there’s actually PS2 and PS1 silicon inside that shiny black machine. Because of this, neither the games nor their saves have to be altered to operate on the new system. (The 360 requires its developers to go back on a case-by-case basis to add support for each title.)

The Blu-ray disc drive is slot loading, and it works like a dream

When nobody was around, we tried using the PS3 eject button to eject a demo disc (we’re naughty like that). It shot right out, MacBook-style, and the game (Formula One) kept right on playing. No, we didn’t keep the game, though it was printed on a BE-ROM disc.

One LED on the PS3 seems dedicated to tracking hard drive activity

This isn’t exactly a sexy revelation, but it does prove two things. One, that Sony has structured the entire system around having a standard hard drive. And another, that the PS3 is a notch closer to a personal computer than any video game console yet.

The first 500,000 PS3s will be packaged with a free Blu-Ray feature film

And no, it’s not titled “How Staggeringly Awesome Sony Is, Part One.” It’s “The Ballad of Ricky Bobby,” starring Will Ferrel as a NASCAR driver. It might not be your cup of tea, but it will definitely show off the capabilities of Sony’s new media format. You’ll get your fancy 1080p visuals, support for 7.1 surround sound, and hey, a free movie that you didn’t have to download from BitTorrent like a frickin’ pirate. Besides, it would have taken a week to download all that data anyway. Those audio channels don’t come cheap! On a side note, the BD-ROM spec goes up to 200 gigabytes. That’s a lot of… family-friendly home movies.

There’s still a hard “power-off” switch on the back of the system, just like the PS2

We used it at one point to power down the system manually when the unit wouldn’t shut down during a loading sequence. It works just like you’d expect.

The PS3 is very, very shiny

So shiny that it’s hard to take photos of it without capturing a mirror like reflection of a nearby light source. But it’s an interesting design choice, and should look super-sexy in a living room lineup.

As a whole, the PS3 itself looks incredibly sexy

It’s a unanimous opinion from the journalists we spoke with at the Gamer’s Day event that the PS3 is one slick piece of consumer electronics magic. It’s big, but beautiful, with an elegant shape and a certain undefinable “presence.”

The PS3 is super quiet

At a rating of just 22 decibels, it’s only slightly louder than a human whisper. All we know is that we could barely hear it running. That’s definitely worth something.

You may have heard rumors on the Internets that the PS3 was practically setting people on fire at last month’s Tokyo Game Show. Whether or not that’s true, we witnessed dozens of units performing flawlessly for several hours at a press event recently. While the air conditioning struggled against a small army of PS3s, enormous HDTVs, and excitable game reporters, the PS3s themselves hummed along quietly and solidly.

Of course, there’s always the possibility that one of them burst into flames just as we were leaving. But we’re pretty confident in the system’s ability to stay cool under pressure.

You can plug in a USB keyboard and surf the ‘Net

The PS3 will come packaged with a free Internet browser. The “front end” has been highly customized, to the point where it’s impossible to tell if it’s using Mozilla, Opera, or Internet Explorer (but since the console runs on Linux, it’s probably not IE). You can place multiple Web pages within view and stream media from several Internet locations simultaneously. However, it’s unclear right now if any USB keyboard will work, or if you have to get a Sony-approved model. They have not announced a USB keyboard of their own.

The power supply is integrated directly into the system

Phil Harrison told us that Sony made this choice for performance reasons, to keep the power supply as close to the CPU chipset as possible. And though the Xbox 360’s external “power brick” is hardly a massive disadvantage, having the power supply integrated in the main chassis is sleeker, slicker, and all around preferable. We like, we like.

Re-download all your merch to someone else’s PS3

The stuff that you bought on the PS3’s online store won’t stay imprisoned on your console. Just log in with your account info on someone else’s unit, and you can pull everything down — although each item has a limit of five transfers before Sony smacks your grubby fingers with a ruler.

First-party games are priced at $59.99

Which is in line with the Xbox 360 software pricing structure. This is comforting news, as there have been rumors that the games would cost even more thanks to more expensive Blu-ray manufacturing. No word yet on third-party game pricing; it’s still possible those prices will lean higher.

Full story here:
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/10/23/24things/index.php
 
The 360 requires you to buy the console and then if you want the expanded functionality then you ahve to pay extra.
But, what if you don't want the "expanded functionality" that they offer?? At that point, you don't have to pay for it. If you do, then its your choice to buy it. I have no use for wifi or a flash card reader, and I'm glad I wasn't charged for them.
The difference is, with the 360, you don't gain any benefit from upgrading to an HD-DVD drive.
You get a high-def movie player for $200. And again, you have the choice. If you want it, and already have a 360, its a very inexpensive way to get a high-def movie player. If you don't, you can skip it. Your choice.
...or the fact that I cannot upgrade my HDD until THEY put out an overpriced undersized HDD (as is the case with their current HDD)...then I'm stuck.
And, you need this bigger HDD for what?? If, using a 360, you plan on viewing lots of pictures and movies, and listening to that much music, you'd probably be better off just streaming it all from the PC it currently resides on. If, on the other hand, you plan on transferring all that media to the console, I would think even the 60GB the PS3 offers would be quite small.

This will differ for everyone, sure. But, the HDD in the 360 is meant mostly for game saves, and downloaded XBL content. Not a secondary storage location for all your media. They let you stream content for a reason.

CT
 
CT has a point. You don't necessarily need that extra functionality. I have a 360, and it's fine the way it is, thanks.
Don't get me wrong. The PS3 is totally worth its price. But, if you don't need a good chunk of the stuff they are charging you for, its a price you don't need. If all you want is games, you can get a core 360 for $300, or a Wii for $250. The PS3, on the other hand, requires $500 minimum to get started. You get more stuff for that extra jump in price, for sure. But, if all you want is to play games on your gaming console, thats a big jump for the PS3 just to play.

CT
 
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I can easily afford it, hell, I could afford two of them, but I just can't justify the price.
As some of the others have driven at, the price of PS3 admission is easily justifiable to me, if you look at it like this:

To get the equivalent experience and multimedia capability on PC, I would need to spend about $2500-3000 US plus. I figure I would need at least a $2000 PC to play something like Crysis, and you can groan if you like, but I find many PS3 games to be just as good and graphically thrilling, including launch games. If you disagree, that's fine.

Then there's Blu-ray media and content capablility. Right now, a Sony PC drive is like all new previous media drives are $700.

Considering the fact that I can get a premium PS3 and virtually every PS3 game ever made for $3000, I find the PS3 to be an obvious choice for a serious gaming upgrade. Not to forget that doing it the PC way will require at least one pricey upgrade every three years or so. With the PS3, the game companies will do all the upgrading for me in their games. Plus I'll have a high quality high definition movie player that I have been wanting for years now.

Also, the 360 doesn't do anything for me just yet, maybe after Forza 2 comes along. The Wii just reminds me of a GameCube with a bizarre controller. I'll get both in time, but they're riding in the back.
 
This will differ for everyone, sure. But, the HDD in the 360 is meant mostly for game saves, and downloaded XBL content. Not a secondary storage location for all your media. They let you stream content for a reason.

CT

IF you fork out the cash for XP Media Center.


As for this debate, I'm not going to continue, as everyone here obviously thinks it's ridiculous to justify the cost of a PS3, yet the cost of all the addons, which at one point in time will cost you money should you need the functionality, is okay.

I also would like to point out that there are certain members of the forum who say battery costs are low, yet buys them at a discount, but apparently doesn't know how to shop for anything else (HDTV's, HDMI cables, Computer parts, computers, etc)...and the reasons being that they would like to better support their side of the debate with numbers that don't add up.
 
IF you fork out the cash for XP Media Center.
Well, if you want it, its your choice.
...as everyone here obviously thinks it's ridiculous to justify the cost of a PS3
Right now, for me to spend that ammount of cash for a system I don't need right now, that IS ridiculous. The price of the console is fine. I think $600 for what you get is a good price. But, why spend that now with no games that I want?
...yet the cost of all the addons, which at one point in time will cost you money should you need the functionality, is okay.
Again, your choice.

CT
 
As some of the others have driven at, the price of PS3 admission is easily justifiable to me, if you look at it like this:

To get the equivalent experience and multimedia capability on PC, I would need to spend about $2500-3000 US plus. I figure I would need at least a $2000 PC to play something like Crysis, and you can groan if you like, but I find many PS3 games to be just as good and graphically thrilling, including launch games. If you disagree, that's fine.

Then there's Blu-ray media and content capablility. Right now, a Sony PC drive is like all new previous media drives are $700.

Considering the fact that I can get a premium PS3 and virtually every PS3 game ever made for $3000, I find the PS3 to be an obvious choice for a serious gaming upgrade. Not to forget that doing it the PC way will require at least one pricey upgrade every three years or so. With the PS3, the game companies will do all the upgrading for me in their games. Plus I'll have a high quality high definition movie player that I have been wanting for years now.

Also, the 360 doesn't do anything for me just yet, maybe after Forza 2 comes along. The Wii just reminds me of a GameCube with a bizarre controller. I'll get both in time, but they're riding in the back.
And I respect that. To you, the PS3 is perfectly justifiable, since you'll be doing all the fun stuff Sony wants consumers to do.
IF you fork out the cash for XP Media Center.
You only need Media Center if you want to show your own videos and watch TV through your X360.

I also would like to point out that there are certain members of the forum who say battery costs are low, yet buys them at a discount, but apparently doesn't know how to shop for anything else (HDTV's, HDMI cables, Computer parts, computers, etc)...and the reasons being that they would like to better support their side of the debate with numbers that don't add up.
I assume you're talking about me when you say "certain members". For one, there's a difference buying a $1800 HDTV and a $10 battery supply. Second, I never said that all HDMI cables were $100. Third of all, what do computers and computer parts have to do with the discussion?

But anyway, let's get back to PS3 news.

Joystiq
PS3's Genji uses HDD to quarter load times

Posted Oct 21st 2006 2:00AM by Christopher Grant
Filed under: Sony PlayStation 3
Before jumping into Genji to deal some massive damage to historically accurate giant crabs (nyuk nyuk) during Sony's Gamer's Day event on Thursday, MTV News' Stephen Totilo noticed a curious menu option:

INSTALL

What's this all about? Totilo writes, "Also unexpected was a feature in Genji to install the game, committing 4GB of data from the game's Blu-ray disc to the PS3's hard drive -- a three-minute one-time-only procedure available from the game's start menu that a Sony rep said cuts down in-game load times from about 15 seconds to four seconds."

So, regardless of the debate about the relative read speeds of 2x Blu-ray drives and 12x DVD drives, we can all recognize the obvious benefits of having a hard drive included by default. Why Genji appears to be the only title sporting this option is another question. Did excessive load times in the PS3's first finished title necessitate extraordinary measures, or will most games offer this time-saving option, à la PC games.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/21/ps3s-genji-uses-hdd-to-quarter-load-times/
 
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That sounds pretty good really. But, is it just me, or does that size of an install sound like a lot?? Now, I'm sure not all devs, if they use this type of process, would need to use that size of install. And, it is optional, if you're that picky about your load times. But, damn, thats a big chunk of our HDD to use. And we all know how Jeremy feels about his HDD space. :D

CT
 
But, what if you don't want the "expanded functionality" that they offer?? At that point, you don't have to pay for it. If you do, then its your choice to buy it. I have no use for wifi or a flash card reader, and I'm glad I wasn't charged for them.

You get a high-def movie player for $200. And again, you have the choice. If you want it, and already have a 360, its a very inexpensive way to get a high-def movie player. If you don't, you can skip it. Your choice.

And, you need this bigger HDD for what?? If, using a 360, you plan on viewing lots of pictures and movies, and listening to that much music, you'd probably be better off just streaming it all from the PC it currently resides on. If, on the other hand, you plan on transferring all that media to the console, I would think even the 60GB the PS3 offers would be quite small.

This will differ for everyone, sure. But, the HDD in the 360 is meant mostly for game saves, and downloaded XBL content. Not a secondary storage location for all your media. They let you stream content for a reason.

CT


not so much of extra funcionality. the big difference is 100 dollars. until people see that blu-ray is also for gaming, they will think the PS3 is filled with extra tech. the extra 100 is for blu-ray gaming, cell, PS3 exclusives. if i´m going to switch generations of a console and i can´t have them all, i don´t mind paying 100 extra for a superior product. i use it just for games, no extra funcionality, and that´s exactly why i´m going for a PS3. heck, i want to keep playing GT, i thought people on GTP would also be taking this into consideration.

i sound like a PR guy, but still, i think its needed to say, we´re witnessing that blu-ray is not just for movies, so its important to make that clear:tup:
 
Genji (and probably more games to come) is a prime example of why HDD space should not be limited to 20GB, or cost you $100 if you don't have it...(again, for only 20GB).

Given that the PS3 uses SATAII 2.5" HDD's (which aren't proprietary like the 360) I'll probably put something larger in mine.

ANd it'll probably still cost less than the 20GB HDD for the 360.
 
Genji (and probably more games to come) is a prime example of why HDD space should not be limited to 20GB, or cost you $100 if you don't have it...(again, for only 20GB).

Given that the PS3 uses SATAII 2.5" HDD's (which aren't proprietary like the 360) I'll probably put something larger in mine.

ANd it'll probably still cost less than the 20GB HDD for the 360.

It's Serial ATA150, not SATAII, unless that's another way to say Serial(S) ATA150.

This is what I plan to get right after launch... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822145113



Xbox Live marketing manager slams PS3 online service

Aaron Greenberg, group marketing manager for Xbox Live, has dismissed rival Sony's online service for the upcoming PS3, stating that Microsoft is flattered that they have "created a service that is breeding yet another knockoff."

Speaking to GameSpot at Sony's recent Gamers Day event, Greenberg also gave an insight as to the future of the Xbox Live subscription model, given that Sony's PS3 offering will be free to use. "We will compete with them in the same way we have for the last four years by out-innovating and focusing on community, value, and the content that gamers want," said Greenberg. "They offered basic free matchmaking on the PS2, and from what we can tell, their online story has not evolved much."

He did promise that much-anticipated details of the upcoming autumn dashboard update will be arriving "soon", whilst hinting that further updates the Xbox backwards compatibility software also be released in the near future.

One of the new features to be included in the autumn update is the ability to output in 1080p, both for games and video content, including the HD DVD add-on, according to Pro-G News.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/8058.cfm




Co-Promo for Robot Chicken, PlayStation 3

Monday, October 23, 2006

Cartoon Network’s late-night animation block, Adult Swim, and Sony are kicking off a co-branded promotion that will hype the hit animated series Robot Chicken along with the highly anticipated Nov. 17 release of the PlayStation 3 net-generation video-game console. In addition to spots on the network, the initiative will extend to the Adult Swim Fix broadband channel, Adult Swim Video-on-Demand, adultswim.com. A national consumer contest will even have one lucky winner make an animated cameo in a third-season episode of Robot Chicken.

“This custom PlayStation promotion was designed to reach consumers on every level of interaction with Adult Swim’s brand,” comments Phyllis Ehrlich, senior VP of Adult Swim and Cartoon Network Promotions Marketing. “We are also encouraging interaction between the brands by driving viewers to the ‘What Would You Do to be on Robot Chicken and Win a PlayStation3? Contest,’ the ultimate viewer opportunity.”

“One of the biggest assets of our show is the guest appearances,” adds Robot Chicken co-creator, writer, director and co-exec producer Seth Green. “It’s great that we are going to be able to give a fan the complete Robot Chicken treatment.”

Today, Oct. 23, saw the launch of adultswim.com’s PlayStation 3 micro site, which features streaming video, PlayStation 3 product information, branded links and a place to enter the What Would You Do to be on Robot Chicken and Win a PlayStation3? Contest. Fans are asked to submit a comedic home video of what they would do to win a role on Robot Chicken and a PlayStation 3 system. Secondary prize winners will each receive one of the new gaming consoles.

Contest submissions will be received until Dec. 31, at which time adultswim.com will update the micro site to feature the winning entries and a behind-the-scenes look at the making of the winner’s action-figure and Robot Chicken sketches.

Since February of 2005, Robot Chicken has been using stop-motion animation and action figures to parody, films, television, celebrities and all things associated with pop-culture. The 15-minute series is currently in its second season and all 20 episodes of the first season are available DVD.
 
Xbox Live marketing manager slams PS3 online service

Aaron Greenberg, group marketing manager for Xbox Live, has dismissed rival Sony's online service for the upcoming PS3, stating that Microsoft is flattered that they have "created a service that is breeding yet another knockoff."

Speaking to GameSpot at Sony's recent Gamers Day event, Greenberg also gave an insight as to the future of the Xbox Live subscription model, given that Sony's PS3 offering will be free to use. "We will compete with them in the same way we have for the last four years by out-innovating and focusing on community, value, and the content that gamers want," said Greenberg. "They offered basic free matchmaking on the PS2, and from what we can tell, their online story has not evolved much."

He did promise that much-anticipated details of the upcoming autumn dashboard update will be arriving "soon", whilst hinting that further updates the Xbox backwards compatibility software also be released in the near future.

One of the new features to be included in the autumn update is the ability to output in 1080p, both for games and video content, including the HD DVD add-on, according to Pro-G News.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/8058.cfm




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Yeah..right, but it's a FREE knockoff.

MS dudes are pathetic, just pathetic, they all love talking trash like Mr. "I'll say anything" Peter Moore:tdown:

Cell and RSX summary:

The Cell Microprocessor
What is the Cell?
The Cell processor was co-designed by IBM, Toshiba and Sony. Configurations can differ, but here's what the PS3's Cell chip will be like:
PowerPC-based Core @ 3.2GHz
7 SPEs @ 3.2GHz
512KB L2 Cache
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPEs
Basically, a single Cell processor is designed to act like multiple processors working together, or even independently. A Cell processor has a single PowerPC Architecture Unit (PAU) and multiple Synergistic Processing Elements (SPEs). A Cell's PAU dolls out instructions to its various SPEs, which can then independently work on tasks. So for instance, one SPU might be programmed to run a game's AI while another handles physics. Since each one acts independently, multiple calculations can be done simultaneously. In other words, it's very powerful. In fact, it's powerful enough to perform 218 GFLOPS.
Who is supplying the hardware?
IBM, Toshiba and Sony are supplying the Cell processors, while NVIDIA is handling the graphics processor.
Tell me about the graphics chip...
NVIDIA's chip is codenamed RSX. The chip runs at 550MHz and is capable of rendering video natively at 1080p, or 1920x1080 progressively (non-interlaced). It's touted to hit 1.8 TFLOPS of floating point performance and can perform 100 billion shader operations per second, or 136 shader operations per cycle. The RSX uses 128-bit precision for enhanced color definition, making the system capable of High Dynamic Range rendering. Programming-wise, it's based on OpenGL and NVIDIA's CG language.
NVIDIA recently released its GeForce 7900 series GPUs for the PC, which provides a reasonable real-world approximation of what sort of effects the RSX and PlayStation 3 can handle.
How much RAM will the PS3 have?
256MB of XDR Main RAM @ 3.2GHz and 256MB of GDDR3 VRAM @ 700MHz, or a total of 512MB for the entire system. The RSX graphics chip can actually use all 512MB of system RAM; it is not limited to the 256MB of GDDR3 RAM.

NOTE:- THE GDDR3 ram runs at 700mhz not 600mhz( spread by major nielson, inquirer, CVG and other MS backed sites).
the XDR runs at 3.2 ghz...........much faster than GDDR4 (1.6ghz).RSX as stated by KAZ can access the full XDR ram when needed.

ATI x1950 with 512 mb GDDR4 eats 7900gtx SLI with GDDR3(600 mhz).

COULD YOU JUST IMAGINE THE PERFORMANCE LEAP when RSX uses (700 mhz 256mb GDDR3 + 3.2ghz 256 mb XDR).

RSX would then eat away the quad SLI.
 
Yeah..right, but it's a FREE knockoff.

MS dudes are pathetic, just pathetic, they all love talking trash like Mr. "I'll say anything" Peter Moore:tdown:

What's more pathetic, is their whole business is about knockoffs. :lol:

MS are so damn ridiculous.
 
not so much of extra funcionality. the big difference is 100 dollars. until people see that blu-ray is also for gaming, they will think the PS3 is filled with extra tech. the extra 100 is for blu-ray gaming, cell, PS3 exclusives. if i´m going to switch generations of a console and i can´t have them all, i don´t mind paying 100 extra for a superior product. i use it just for games, no extra funcionality, and that´s exactly why i´m going for a PS3. heck, i want to keep playing GT, i thought people on GTP would also be taking this into consideration.

i sound like a PR guy, but still, i think its needed to say, we´re witnessing that blu-ray is not just for movies, so its important to make that clear:tup:

Well, since 20% of all launch PS3s will be the $500 version, with most of them going to Japan, and with Sony making the most losses on that version, I doubt the 20GB version will last long. But I see your point.

Xbox Live marketing manager slams PS3 online service

Aaron Greenberg, group marketing manager for Xbox Live, has dismissed rival Sony's online service for the upcoming PS3, stating that Microsoft is flattered that they have "created a service that is breeding yet another knockoff."

Speaking to GameSpot at Sony's recent Gamers Day event, Greenberg also gave an insight as to the future of the Xbox Live subscription model, given that Sony's PS3 offering will be free to use. "We will compete with them in the same way we have for the last four years by out-innovating and focusing on community, value, and the content that gamers want," said Greenberg. "They offered basic free matchmaking on the PS2, and from what we can tell, their online story has not evolved much."

He did promise that much-anticipated details of the upcoming autumn dashboard update will be arriving "soon", whilst hinting that further updates the Xbox backwards compatibility software also be released in the near future.

One of the new features to be included in the autumn update is the ability to output in 1080p, both for games and video content, including the HD DVD add-on, according to Pro-G News.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/8058.cfm

What a moron. "Yet another knockoff" of Xbox Live? Please. If anything it's the first one. He also doesn't really know jack squat about anything except his own product.

Here's the full interview: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6160292.html
 
Sorry for the double post, but...

It looks like Joystiq agrees with IGN on the controller.

Joystiq hands-on: new PS3 controller

Posted May 9th 2006 4:15AM by James Ransom-Wiley
Filed under: Culture, Sony PlayStation 3


Immediately following the Sony keynote, we pushed and shoved our way to a quick and dirty session with the new PS3 controller. Warhawk was the only playable demo touting six-axis sensing functionality; so naturally, our destination was the setup featuring that game.

At first grip, the PS3 controller was light -- too light. It felt cheap, like one of those third party knockoffs. But obviously Sony has a different perception about the new weight. If indeed developers embrace the motion technology, then a lighter controller will be easier on the wrists.

Of course, our hands were all too familiar with the controller's curves, having held this same design since 1998 -- heck, it's virtually the same controller we've clutched since the PlayStation debuted in 1995. If it ain't broke don't fix it, right? Wrong. Microsoft came correct this (next) generation. Sony has done nothing, in terms of physical design, to match that.

Look ma, no thumbs!In practice, the sensing system felt tacked on, at least, tacked on to this Warhawk demo. The sensitivity certainly needed tweaking (it was overly sensitive), as did the response time. But those factors can be fixed -- and will be fixed. More awkward was our newfound thumb dilemma. Our thumbs didn't rest well on the analogue sticks and we found ourselves searching for a spot to put them. As seen here, they ended up in the air. (In other words, we are not flashing our 'two thumbs up' approval sign.)

Despite these negative reactions, we believe the sensing system, once adopted and tuned by developers, has the potential to attract consumers. There's a natural inclination, especially with first time gamers, to twist a controller in an effort to manipulate on-screen action. And of course, the added functionality is a perfect fit for flight-based games or racing titles, but how will it enhance other genres? How will it innovate?

Still, bigger issues loom. We can't help but feel this was a last ditch effort to thwart Nintendo's Wii premiere. And in that vein, Sony's added technology felt rushed. Here's to hoping we haven't seen the absolute final design of the new PlayStation 3 controller ... however farfetched that hope may be.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/09/joystiq-hands-on-new-ps3-controller/
 
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:lol:
 
So MS is now relasing announcements for SONY :)
It seems like the one is crying because there is a new kid on block with a better toy.
 
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