PS3 General Discussion
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Those are all reports from Microsoft, and do not represent actual sales - which are very accurately tracked by several accounting firms, all of which have reported total sales of 3.4 million units as of the end of November.
...We like to blab about crap blah blah etc etc.
No really, I'm just trying to correct D-N.
1. Why would Microsoft lie?
2. Show me a link (or links) saying that the 360 has sold 3.4 million units worldwide.
EDIT: How the heck did we even get started on this subject?!?
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Duċk;2510983
This crap just seems to happen; especially here.
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Probably because ,as I just discovered, if you go out trying to find this information you will find both stories. I also found places where both stories were retracted because of the debate over the facts.Duċk;2510983
So, this debate over the numbers is not exclusive to this thread.
I will say this, manufacturers sell to retailers and as far as their accounting is concerned they have sold that product even though it is still sitting in a Best Buy warehouse somewhere. Because of this sales figures are always a bit suspicious because you don't know which one you are being told or if it is even a combination of the two.
I would be suspicious of Microsoft trying to fudge the numbers with whichever figure comes out higher because in a world of keeping up with the Joneses and living in a "me too" society making it sound like they are more popular will make them more popular. They just have to say, "Look kids, everyone has one. Jump on this bandwagon and get one too!" It is a great marketing ploy.
Of course, on the otherhand, there is a lot of scrutiny of the market at the moment and it would be risky to use the shipped numbers as opposed to the retail numbers. Some gaming magazine somewhere would call them out on it and it will eventually be picked up. The last thing Microsoft wants is more bad press hurting a stock price that already took a hit from their lackluster digital music player.
So, until an independent agency reports the retail sales numbers I am waiting.
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Duċk;2510983
Is this rhetorical? 
As you like Google, try Xbox 360 sales 3.4 million... and you know I said US.
Bingo. 👍
NPD Group is not only that, but one of the leading sales tracking firms in the world. They are also not the only ones reporting the 3.4 million sales figure. XB360 sales in Australia have totled only 110K, and are trailing off.
No. Are you saying that when MS said it's 6 million statistic, it was talking about units solds to stores or units sold to actual people?
Sorry, I got my facts mixed up.
Searched on Google, and I saw the 3.4 mil number, however, I couldn't find the stat that said that 75% of 360s were sold in the US. Show me a link (search suggestions do not count) about that 75% number coming from the NPD or whoever, then I'll believe you.
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Microsoft doesn't lie. They tell you straight up that they're messed up and make you deal with it.
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The answers to all of these questions are in my posts above, including a reference to the 2006Q3 report from NPD, which is a subscription, but you may be able to find a copy online.Duċk;2511042No. Are you saying that when MS said it's 6 million statistic, it was talking about units solds to stores or units sold to actual people?
Sorry, I got my facts mixed up.
A recent example of Microsoft PR on "sales" was in yesterday's corporate press release celebrating how the XB360 had "the highest grossing week of console hardware sales in Australia since it launched in March".
Expectedly, IGN was quick to jump on the "story", but for a less biased, and a more revealing look at what the numbers really showed, check out the following article:
The reason sales of all consoles may be considered relevant to this thread is that they are indicators that help predict market response, which in turn is what developers use to decide on how they will allocate resources for each or any gaming platform. Thus hardware and software sales, and sales projections often impact the quality and quantity of games for any given platform.
* However, I understand why some may object to this type of discussion, so this is the last I'll be commenting on this topic. I'm sorry for the interruption.
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MS lied about their numbers, can't we all just get over that already? Quit kissing their arse, MS is a group of douche bags, and saying they've SOLD 10 million is better than saying "well we've made 10 million, but no one is really buying them up".
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so has anyone tried san andreas or another gta on ps3 yet? there were rumors that the draw distance was greatly improved. also anyone played some old ps1 games yet? i would hope that gt2 has noticable improvement unlike with ps2
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but do you think its possible that since the ps3 is more powerful we may see faster rendering and better load times for some games?
That has yet to be proven, or even demonstrated.
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I could easily be mistaken, but I thought the PS3 includes seperate hardware specifically for reading & running PS1 & PS2 games so wouldn't that mean there would be no real performance advanatge?
In otherwords, when running PS1&2 games, the cell processor and GPU used for PS3 games, HDD Media, and Blu-ray movies isn't being used to read, render, and display PS1&2 games?
I know that at the very least, it includes a seperate red laser standard DVD/CD pick-up, so read times from games on DVDs and CDs would not be improved because of the blue laser. If load times are faster for PS1/2 games on the PS3, it is likely because Sony is using a faster speed DVD/CD drive, but because the blue laser cannot read those discs it is not going to increase load times for those games.
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👍👍Duċk;2511290If you're directing that towards me, then I seriously have to laugh.
I used to be a diehard Apple user. I got my first PC in 1978, an Apple II Plus, and have owned Macs up until 1999. I was using dual platforms for a while, Mac for fun, and a PC laptop for work.. but eventually I found myself using the PC more do to workloads and the need to run programs that would only run properly on my PC.
Now that Apple has switched to intel, I am now considering switching back to Macs.
I still try and keep up with some of the goings on at Apple, and I recently heard that they are developing a Blu-ray burner and new iMovie software for making 1920x1080 Blu-ray movies! I may wait for that to happen before switching.
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So, we have seen all of these "skins" for the PS3, but is there any word on when they are releasing new colors for the PS3?
Yeah, there's the EE and the GS in the PS3. We won't see any improvements to PS2 and PS1 games at all until Sony goes 100% emulation and that we see anti-aliasing and upscaling to 720p and 1080i and such (or could it be done on current hardware?).
I wouldn't be surprised at all if they put in Blu-ray readers or even burners in the Mac Pro, but I seriously doubt them cramming one of those in an iMac.
Well, they're supposed to release the PS3 in extra colors (probably white and silver) a few months after launch, so we'll see. We haven't heard any news from Sony lately about this however, and I do hope that they'll release the extra colors in the US.
I think they can do it eventually, however, I doubt that they won't do it. The Mac Pro is suited for this type of stuff, and I don't see Apple adding a $500 option to iMacs. I really don't.
I know that 3 years from now, if Blu-ray wins, we'll at least be seeing Blu-ray readers, maybe burners, in everything. I'm not doubting that they can't do it now to the iMac. I'm just doubting that they will do it.
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Why? iMacs are premier desktop machines now, and Mac Pros are the workstations. iMac ditched the budget crap-puter stigma as soon as the mac mini came out.
I can totally agree with you on them not adding it to the mini, but the iMac is a different story entirely... especially on the monster 24-inch.
I can totally agree with you on them not adding it to the mini, but the iMac is a different story entirely... especially on the monster 24-inch.
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Wow, I leave the forum for a few hours and now we're discussing the marketing plans of Apple in the PS3 General Discussion thread?
Let's pull in the reigns on this grossly off topic discussion and get back to the thread topic.
So did anyone try that GT4 replay I uploaded?
Let's pull in the reigns on this grossly off topic discussion and get back to the thread topic.
So did anyone try that GT4 replay I uploaded?
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I received an email from Playstation.com this morning saying that reserving your Online ID for March is now available. Could someone give me the link to this? Hotmail and decided to remove all links and pictures from the email, and I cannot seem to find anything on it on their website.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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Okay, I've got the link:
https://secure.eu.playstation.com/user/ps3_info_registration/pn/login.jhtml?_requestid=1095327
https://secure.eu.playstation.com/user/ps3_info_registration/pn/login.jhtml?_requestid=1095327
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