PS3 General Discussion

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Well, parents have just bought their own PS3 as a Blu-Ray player. Occasionally they may let me play online through it just to play on the Plasma. ;)

One question though. Is is possible to use the second controller with the other PS3, or is it specifically synchronized with the second console? I would try myself, but I hate getting things like this screwed up.

Page 14 of the PAL quick reference guide covers it, all you need to do is 'pair' the PS3 and Six-Axis together each time. This is achieved by simply plugging it in wit the USB cable (as if charging it), this will clear the old pairing and set-up a new one with the PS3 its now plugged into. As long as you remember to 'pair' each time you swap machines you won't have a problem at all (or just buy your parents a Bluetooth DVD remote for £17 and 'borrow' their Six-axis on a long term basis).

Regards

Scaff
 
So thats one PS2, two PS3's and an XBOX360?

Let's be friends.
How on earth did you know that? We traded in 2 Xbox's and a PS2 in today, so we do only have one PS2, an Xbox 360 and the PS3s. That's excluding the 3 PSPs (one is up for sale...) and a DS Lite though. :P

And thanks, Scaff. 👍 That makes things simpler.
 
(not saying Duck is, although his preference is not exactly well disguised ;))
Hey! I'm not trying to hide anything! :sly:

Hell, I might just have to use this:

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Just kidding! :D

Nothing is worse than getting hooked on a series that either dies out because it didn't sell well or switched exclusivity. As multiplatform releases, games will have a better chance of finding a broader audience, and will result in more games for all users.
True. But with multiplatform games, they can never take full advantage of a single system's power. For instance, let's pretend that when Final Fantasy XIII was announced, it would launch on the PS3 and 360 on the same day. Graphics wise, you probably couldn't individually focus on each system and try to get 1080p at 60fps. You couldn't take advantage of the PS3's Blu-ray and add in a bunch of CG scenes and script lines.

Granted, that's why there's first party titles out there – to take advantage of their respective system. And games like Gears and Motorstorm show the proof.
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How on earth did you know that? We traded in 2 Xbox's and a PS2 in today, so we do only have one PS2, an Xbox 360 and the PS3s. That's excluding the 3 PSPs (one is up for sale...) and a DS Lite though. :P

And thanks, Scaff. 👍 That makes things simpler.
Dude, share the love!
 
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Dude, share the love!

Oh come on, you have a 360 and ps3 as well.(Although I'm not sure if you ever did buy a new one after you sold your 20gig) You need no love. Get Ebiggs to share some of his parents' love.
 
Yeah, he has a new one. I've seen him pop online from time to time.

Now, if only I could get the other PS3 folding too...
 
Just finished watching my FREE copy of Casino Royale! Very nice! i can only run 720p but Blue ray movies look extremely good!

Very happy that sony is able to send out those copies of movies for free. Im sure i will be buying some blue ray movies in the future now ive seen this one. I wouldnt be suprised if sony gets a cut from every blue ray movie sold, as to help feed the defieciet of the PS3 costs.
 
Just finished watching my FREE copy of Casino Royale! Very nice! i can only run 720p but Blue ray movies look extremely good!

Very happy that sony is able to send out those copies of movies for free. Im sure i will be buying some blue ray movies in the future now ive seen this one. I wouldnt be suprised if sony gets a cut from every blue ray movie sold, as to help feed the defieciet of the PS3 costs.

Chances are you're probably watching the movie in 1080i, since almost all 720p sets display 1080i. Because currently, the PS3 does not output Blu-Ray movies in 720p, IIRC, at least.
 
Just finished watching my FREE copy of Casino Royale! Very nice! i can only run 720p but Blue ray movies look extremely good!

Very happy that sony is able to send out those copies of movies for free. Im sure i will be buying some blue ray movies in the future now ive seen this one. I wouldnt be suprised if sony gets a cut from every blue ray movie sold, as to help feed the defieciet of the PS3 costs.
Where are you from, because I reckon the people from the US don't deserve the free Casino Royale from Sony.

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My own PS3 Video Review can be found here:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4636419&postcount=1
 
Because the promotion is aimed at people with European PS3's in Europe and Australia PS3's for people in Australia.

Also I cannot remember if the promotion was aimed at New Zealand, but if I remember it is. However remember people with US PS3’s had there own promotion ages ago.
 
Yes, Small Fryz is Aussie. Also, we got Talladega Nights (which was nothing more than a good ol' funny redneck movie to watch).
 
Oh come on, you have a 360 and ps3 as well.(Although I'm not sure if you ever did buy a new one after you sold your 20gig) You need no love. Get Ebiggs to share some of his parents' love.

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I was more or less joking... and even still, a PSWii60 doesn't compare to 2 PS3s, 2 Xboxes, 1 360, 2 PS2s, 3 PSPs, a DS Lite, a Wii, a big ass Plasma, etc. ;)

Not that I'm complaining.
 
Jaffe: I Would Not Have Included Blu-ray in PS3

In somewhat of a shocker, God of War creator David Jaffe has admitted that if he could change something about PS3, he would have removed its Blu-ray player and sold the console at a cheaper price. He also revealed that he might one day found his own independent studio. More within...

In part two of Geoff Keighley's Bonus Round with Sony Santa Monica Studio Creative Director David Jaffe over at GameTrailers.com, the God of War creator had a number of interesting things to say, but it was perhaps his comments in a teaser clip for part three that will draw the most attention.

When asked what he would change about the PlayStation 3, he responded, "I probably would have taken the Blu-ray out and sold it for less money." Of course, hindsight is always 20/20, but Sony certainly doesn't seem to view the inclusion of Blu-ray as a mistake. Jaffe didn't outright label it a mistake either, but he's the first Sony employee (to this editor's knowledge) to even question the need for Blu-ray.

SCE Worldiwide Studios President Phil Harrison and other Sony executives have repeatedly stressed the importance of the Blu-ray format, not just as a next-gen movie format, but as a game disc format that provides game developers with plenty of storage space to build highly detailed game worlds without the need for multiple discs. Microsoft has been using standard DVD-9 discs for the Xbox 360 and has thus far (in the U.S.) avoided any multiple disc scenarios through the use of highly advanced compression techniques. [Note: In Japan, Blue Dragon was released on three discs.]

Earlier on in part two of the Bonus Round, Jaffe once again commented on his love for smaller downloadable games, such as Calling All Cars. Echoing sentiments he expressed to GameDaily BIZ during a GDC interview, Jaffe commented, "I want to do games that take 10-13 months; I want to do games that aren't always story-driven, that are more gameplay-driven."

Interestingly, when Jaffe was asked about the possibility of one day starting his own independent studio, he seemed to embrace the idea as one he's already given much thought to. "I think it's a great idea and it's an idea that I've explored and will continue to explore," he said. "You never really know – Sony's been a great home for a long time and whether or not it's with an independent studio or staying within the walls of Sony, I always want to be able to contribute to Sony's [camp], but the specific way to get to that destination is under discussion right now. So whether or not that becomes a full fledged company or it becomes a more focused role within Sony, which is sort of all about these [smaller] games is sort of TBD at the moment."

For Jaffe, it's not just a matter of his enjoying creating smaller titles, but it also comes down to his realization during the God of War development period that he just can't do those big, epic titles anymore. "God of War was an eye-opener for me; all I did was live at that studio," he revealed.

"This is your life. It's the one you get, for the moment anyway, and it doesn't make sense to do things other than what makes you excited," Jaffe said. "For me now that I've gotten the 'big game' out of my system, this is what's in my system now."

And in typical outspoken Jaffe fashion, he remarked that big games aren't necessarily "better" than smaller ones and added regarding the drive to constantly create big blockbusters, "It's like, '**** you capitalist society that says all I need to do is work and contribute to the bottom line. **** you up your a**.' I want a life."

Jaffe also said that while Calling All Cars, which uses the Warhawk engine, obviously doesn't maximize the PS3's power, "It's [still] a pretty advanced game under the hood; there's a lot going on." The important thing to remember, he said, is that it's $9.99 and fun to play. Of note, Jaffe did admit to a "mistake" of sorts on the development of Calling All Cars. He said that because the game is going to appeal to real gamers anyway (not "soccer moms"), it might have been a wiser marketing move to go with an "edgier or more mature" thematic on top of the same gameplay.

Go check out the full video interview on Bonus Round; it's definitely worth watching.



by James Brightman

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=15762&ncid=AOLGAM000500000000011

What do you guys think?
 
I personally think Jaffe ends up saying things just to get attention, but that is just my opinion. If Kojima says Blu-Ray is necessary, anything any other developer says on the subject is irrelavent.
 
Just finished watching my FREE copy of Casino Royale! Very nice! i can only run 720p but Blue ray movies look extremely good!
Chances are you're probably watching the movie in 1080i, since almost all 720p sets display 1080i. Because currently, the PS3 does not output Blu-Ray movies in 720p, IIRC, at least.
What JR said is basically correct, but to make sure it's clear, 720p sets are not displaying 1080i, they are displaying 1080i signals by downscaling them to 720p.

This is currently the ideal set-up for those with 720p sets, because as JR noted, currently the PS3 does not downscale BD movies from their native 1080p signal to 720p.

To do this, you have to set-up the PS3 to output 1080i and let your TV do the downscaling, which in many cases will result in the same quality image compared to what the PS3 would have done had it downscaled the image instead.

To check to see if your PS3 is outputting 1080i, select "Display Settings" from the "Settings" bar. If it says "Current Output Resolution 1080i" under the "Video Output Settings", then your in good shape. If it says 720p, then the PS3 will only output a 480p signal when playing BD movies. If that is the case, then select "Video Output Settings", then press the right arrow on the D-pad to skip the connector type which should already be set to the correct one. Then select "Automatic". It will flash until it displays the highest resolution that your TV accepts. Select "Yes", and to save that setting press "X" again.

Now one catch with this is for those with 720p sets that do not properly deinterlace. If it does not, then they will lose some vertical resolution, but not as much as when a 1080p set doesn't properly deinterlace 1080i signals.

I know some of this info can seem unwieldy, so let me put in mathematical terms.

1080p = 1920x1080
1080i = 1920x540 x2 = 1920x1080

Interlaced is simply breaking up a progressive signal into two fields, one carrying the odd numbered horizontal lines, the other carrying the even numbered horizontal lines. When properly deinterlaced, they are combined to form the original 1080p signal.

What often happens though is that either the 1080i signals are not properly flagged or the TV doesn't deinterlace, and in either case, what happens most often is that the field pairs are individually scaled to the native resolution of the TV and then sequenced instead of being combined. For a 1080p TV this means a loss of 50% of the vertical resolution. For a 720p TV, because it is already losing 50% of the resolution from all 1080i and 1080p signals, the additional loss from improper deinterlacing is another 33%.

To confirm exactly what the resolution is from any incoming signal, look on your TV's remote for a button that says "Info", or something like it. Every TV I have ever seen or worked on has had one, so it should be fairly easy to find. When you press that button it should provide you with information on the signal coming in that is currently being displayed. At the very least it should say the type of input and the resolution of the signal (not what you are actually seeing, as that is always going to be the native resolution of the TV itself, not the signal!).

So if for instance, your PS3 is set to output 720p and not 1080i, then when watching a BD movie, like Casino Royale, when you press the "Info" button on your TV’s remote, it should say "720x480p" which is the resolution that the PS3 will output BD movies in if it is not set to output 1080i or 1080p.

If it says "1920x1080i", then you are in good shape, as it means the PS3 is outputting the movie in 1080i, and your TV is then hopefully deinterlacing it properly and scaling it down to 1280x720.

I hope this was more helpful than confusing, but I can understand why many people find all these different forms of resolution so difficult to differentiate.
 
You know, sometimes I think it would just be easier to buy a 1080p set instead of trying to wrap my head around the differences between 1080p and1080i (720p is the easy one).
Granted, I just realised what it meant when I read that Sonic 2 interlaces (and I read that over 2 years ago, I believe), so I only have a passing understanding of the two terms, but still.
 
For gaming in general, can't we say that 1080p yields 60 Frames Per Second whereas 1080i only gives us 30 FPS?

Progressive displays the entire 1920x1080 image, 60 frames a second of full resolution. Interlaced blends one frame to the next effectively only giving you 30 frames per second of 1920x1080.

Would you agree Digital-Nitrate?
 
You know, sometimes I think it would just be easier to buy a 1080p set instead of trying to wrap my head around the differences between 1080p and1080i (720p is the easy one).
Granted, I just realised what it meant when I read that Sonic 2 interlaces (and I read that over 2 years ago, I believe), so I only have a passing understanding of the two terms, but still.
What do you mean? 1080p is just 1080i in progressive scan.
 
Exactly what Tornoado said...

I personally think Jaffe ends up saying things just to get attention, but that is just my opinion. If Kojima says Blu-Ray is necessary, anything any other developer says on the subject is irrelavent.

The simple fact that not only was the PS3 launched with a game that had it been released on DVD it would have needed three discs, but there are already a few games in development that will exceed even that.

I'd say Jaffe's comment was either taken out of context, or is as meaningful as those that said the PS2 should not have come with a DVD drive because CD-ROMs were big enough for games, and so why pay more for a console with a DVD drive.

In this case, the need for more capacity has come up much much more quickly then it even did for the PS2 and Xbox... and that was back when non-linear games were not all that prevalent, making it at least some what easier to release multi-disc console games.

In addition, for XB360 users expecting to use their HDD space to make up for the limiting DVD space, not only are you going to have to hope that developers release multi-disc games, but you are going to either have to hope for a cheap tera-byte HDD, or have a very limited collection of games, or spend hours every time you want to remove and install 25-50 GB games in order to make room for new games and play them.

Personally, while MS has done a fantastic job marketing and selling a NRFP product (not-ready-for-primetime), I think they are within a year of running into a serious problem, and the only reasonable fix is going to result yet another new console from MS... forcing their current user base to either upgrade once again, or stick with playing games they already have.
 
You see, the problem is that really doesn't mean much to me as I don't really understand how my one known example translates into that.
It's like Pako said. An interlaced 1080 image shows 1080 horizontal lines, but only half of them at once, each 30 times per second. In progressive scan all the lines are shown simultaneously 60 times per second, making the image smoother.
 
What do you mean? 1080p is just 1080i in progressive scan.
Technically speaking it is the reverse. 1080i is just 1080p in interlaced form. But yes, as long as the interlaced signal is properly flagged, and then deinterlaced, a 1080i signal can be reconstructed back to it's original 1080p form.







For gaming in general, can't we say that 1080p yields 60 Frames Per Second whereas 1080i only gives us 30 FPS?

Progressive displays the entire 1920x1080 image, 60 frames a second of full resolution. Interlaced blends one frame to the next effectively only giving you 30 frames per second of 1920x1080.

Would you agree Digital-Nitrate?
FPS (frames per second) is 100% independent to resolution.

You can have a video signal that is 1080p @ 24fps (standard FPS for all film based material), as well as have 1080p @ 60fps (new standard for pro HD video cameras). Some cameras can even capture 1080p at 120fps!

The problem that occurs with having a higher FPS is that it means having a great deal more data that needs to be transmitted in the same amount of time.

For instance, a 1080p/24fps signal must transmit 50 mega pixels of data every second. A 1080p/120fps signal must transmit 250 mega pixels of data every second.

This is why the refresh rate (often written as Hz) is such a useful tool for "smoothing" out moving images. By "flashing" each individual frame at least twice, it fools the human eye into thinking it is seeing more frames than what really exist. It is this reason that for film, the lamps in projectors at commercial theaters actually pulsate (like a TV refreshes), usually two or three times the frame rate. Thus a 24fps film will be flashed on the screen at 48 or 72 times per second. Our vision isn't capable of distinguishing this, so the result is that it looks like everything is relatively nice and smooth.

The reality though is that refresh rates cannot compare to having higher frame rates, but its a good compromise as it means not having to create and transmit so much more data.

As technology improves, I have little doubt that eventually 1080p/120fps will be the norm, 2160p/120fps will be the ideal.
 
Where are you from, because I reckon the people from the US don't deserve the free Casino Royale from Sony.
Any reason for saying that?
I think he already answered that:

Because the promotion is aimed at people with European PS3's in Europe and Australia PS3's for people in Australia.

Also I cannot remember if the promotion was aimed at New Zealand, but if I remember it is. However remember people with US PS3’s had there own promotion ages ago.
In addition to those facts (that the US already had a free BD promo, and that this promo is specifically for the Euro launch), I personally think Sony should be giving away at least a couple BD movies to all PS3 buyers in Europe, not just to promote BD movie sales in Europe, but to offer a little more value considering that in Europe the cost of the PS3 is a good deal more than in the US.

From a purely marketing stand point, I personally feel Sony should be giving away at least a couple of their own BD movies with all their PS3's world wide, as the cost would be small and would really help promote BD movies. Frankly I think it is a big mistake on Sony's part not to be giving away a lot more free movies. For many, when they see the difference, its going to quickly translate into additional sales of BD movies.
 
From a purely marketing stand point, I personally feel Sony should be giving away at least a couple of their own BD movies with all their PS3's world wide, as the cost would be small and would really help promote BD movies. Frankly I think it is a big mistake on Sony's part not to be giving away a lot more free movies. For many, when they see the difference, its going to quickly translate into additional sales of BD movies.
I agree, and add that Sony should also give the choice to substitute said movie with perhaps a pack in game, probably whenever they get around to introducing the Greatest Hits series to the PS3. In my opinion, it really can boost the attractiveness of a product far more than the cost hit suggests it would. It boosted the Gamecube sales a couple of years ago when Nintendo offered a free game rebate before they dropped the price to $99, and who is to say it isn't doing the same for the Wii right now?
 
Foxconn ready for volume production of PS3 gaming consoles

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Commercial Times, April 11; Steve Shen, DigiTimes.com [Wednesday 11 April 2007]

Foxconn (Hon Hai Precision Industry) is ready for volume production of PS3 gaming consoles as the company has received certification from Sony for its production, the Chinese-language Commercial Times quoted sources at Taiwan-based component makers as saying in an April 11 report.

The paper, quoted sources at foreign investment firms in Taipei, saying that Foxconn is expected to begin volume production of PS3 in the second half of 2007 in order to meet strong demand in the upcoming peak season. Foxconn will compete with Asustek Computer for Sony's PS3 orders, it added.

http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20070411PB202.html
 
I think he already answered that:


In addition to those facts (that the US already had a free BD promo, and that this promo is specifically for the Euro launch), I personally think Sony should be giving away at least a couple BD movies to all PS3 buyers in Europe, not just to promote BD movie sales in Europe, but to offer a little more value considering that in Europe the cost of the PS3 is a good deal more than in the US.

From a purely marketing stand point, I personally feel Sony should be giving away at least a couple of their own BD movies with all their PS3's world wide, as the cost would be small and would really help promote BD movies. Frankly I think it is a big mistake on Sony's part not to be giving away a lot more free movies. For many, when they see the difference, its going to quickly translate into additional sales of BD movies.
I agree. Even providing a disc with some HD content on it would be sufficient, instead of a whole movie. This would definitely show people the difference between DVD quality and would almost definitely improve Blu-Ray sales.
 
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