PS3 General Discussion
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Yep, I've seen it way too many times. In fact, I can't even play GT4. I've bought two different copies of the game, two different PS2, and now the PS3 and still can't play GT4 past 20% because of the red loading error.
That always used to happen to me on my PS2. Whenever I saw it, I just gave my PS2 a rather powerful tap on top of where the disk tray is, and the spinning loading indicator would turn white and load right up. Im not sure why it did that though.
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- FoolKiller1979
But mine never turned red, it just appeared to be taking a really long time loading.Yep, I've seen it way too many times. In fact, I can't even play GT4. I've bought two different copies of the game, two different PS2, and now the PS3 and still can't play GT4 past 20% because of the red loading error.
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My bad, I thought you said it did. Mine wouldn't be red immediately, but after some time of trying to load, it would eventually turn red. I wonder, given enough time, if it would have turned red.
Hope it doesn't become a habit for your game...
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- FoolKiller1979
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You are not the only one that has had this problem. I have had it occur on me a couple times, maybe twice (three at the most?), while playing GT4 and it does it on the loading screen going into a race. I do not think I have had it happen any other time though.
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Is NBA 08 the game made by EA or the other NBA game made by, I think, Sony? Based on prior experiences, I would assume 2k8 is the best of the three games.
The last two years of 2kSports basketball games have been very good. I have enjoyed them both a pretty good amount.
Last years game featured most every players' face and shooting styles, including free throws. Having each players' shooting style was pretty cool, especially once you learned how they shoot. Otherwise, it could be difficult to time when to release a shot, especially with say a guy like Shawn Marion.
I do not know that I ever really got free throws down because I never really shot enough of them and that is probably more due to how I play and not the actual game. I take more jumpshots and tended to not drive as much, which would lead to less free throw attempts.
I also remember one game where I was playing as Cleveland and had Damon Jones in the game at either the one or two spot, not that it really matters, I was not using him for defense. But he got hot with his shot and every trip down the floor I kept feeding it to him. He ended up making something like 11-14 threes and then went cold. Well since he had been the only player on my time to shoot for a while, everyone else on the team was cold and I ended up getting close to losing because no one else could consistently make a shot.
All-in-all, I would probably recommend renting each of the game one at a time, playing each of them pretty thoroughly, and then going with the one you enjoy the most.
The last two years of 2kSports basketball games have been very good. I have enjoyed them both a pretty good amount.
Last years game featured most every players' face and shooting styles, including free throws. Having each players' shooting style was pretty cool, especially once you learned how they shoot. Otherwise, it could be difficult to time when to release a shot, especially with say a guy like Shawn Marion.
I do not know that I ever really got free throws down because I never really shot enough of them and that is probably more due to how I play and not the actual game. I take more jumpshots and tended to not drive as much, which would lead to less free throw attempts.I also remember one game where I was playing as Cleveland and had Damon Jones in the game at either the one or two spot, not that it really matters, I was not using him for defense. But he got hot with his shot and every trip down the floor I kept feeding it to him. He ended up making something like 11-14 threes and then went cold. Well since he had been the only player on my time to shoot for a while, everyone else on the team was cold and I ended up getting close to losing because no one else could consistently make a shot.
All-in-all, I would probably recommend renting each of the game one at a time, playing each of them pretty thoroughly, and then going with the one you enjoy the most.
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I did not know which one you meant. Either way, I still preferred the 2k series over Live. A couple years ago, I played both 2k Sports and EA college and pro basketball games and liked 2k Sports better in both cases. It seemed 2k made a more realistic game, while EA made a more arcadey one. From what I read on the Game Informer review, it gave the feeling that EA has improved their Live game. Having not played it or 2k8, I cannot really say which of the two are good; instead, I can just give you my opinion of previous years.
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I think they should have just stuck with the smaller hard drive and maybe the 2 USB ports, did they learn nothing from the 20 gig? All this talk about removal of BC makes me damn glad I got an early 60 gig since that's one of the more important aspects of the console for me
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- Labounti
40giger also has no memory card slots. I'm sure if Sony can't figure out a final low cost solution to software BC they'll re add it next summer when the 120GB PS3 comes out for $500 with blu tooth ear piece, a game and a movie. 08 is going to be a good year for Sony.
BC is important for me as I do not want to use my ps2 for anything other than GH2 right now. Not having to change memory cards, wireless traditional controller and upscaled smoother graphics is a plus.
BC is important for me as I do not want to use my ps2 for anything other than GH2 right now. Not having to change memory cards, wireless traditional controller and upscaled smoother graphics is a plus.
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Those who snipe at Sony for not having BC never played a 640x422 PS2 game on their 1080p screen. It's really not worth it and if Sony can get the price down, I don't see anything wrong with that. If BC really is important, you would have bought the console already. The same goes for the card reader and USB ports. I've used the card reader once and I only use two of the four USB ports, although four would be nice. I would give props to Sony for listening to market research.
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- Bomberang
I got my 60gb PS3 back in December and have been quite pleased with the BC, with the shortage of games I was able to replay GTA: San Andreas, GT4, Shadow of the Colossus, SOCOM 3, and MLB 2004, all of which worked flawlessly. If you are going to get a PS3 soon, I dont think you would need the BC as much because there are so many choices for new, and hopefully good games.
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But, I have. And I still think it is a dumb move. At least until Sony stops selling the PS2.
How so? One could have been waiting out on their PS3 purchase until the PS2 stops getting games. So what do they do when they go to buy it and it turns out they can't play any of the games they had just recently bought?
All "market research" says is that PS2 sales are still way to high to even think about dumping BC on the replacement console. The only reason that Europeans have been yearning for a lower priced PS3 for so long is because they never got the 20gb model in the first place. They want a model, any model, that is cheaper. And Sony is perfectly willing to give them just that while stripping the machine to bare-bones (more or less), since the Europeans never got the 20GB model and thus never learned how much of a shaft this one actually is.
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I think BC is still going to be important for a lot of people, but then again, unless I'm mistaken, Sony isn't removing BC from all their PS3 models, and we don't even know for sure if the 40GB may end up with BC support after all, although I can see why they might not add it as a way of offering a budget model.
That said, you are quite right, and that there are already close to 100 games that have already been released for the PS3 and many more among the upcoming release schedule including many high profile titles as well as some exciting PSN titles.
On top of that, for those who don't even want to spend a dime on a new game, there are 50 free demos, plus GT:HD to keep them busy. Even non-gamers have been, and will continue to find plenty of uses for a PS3 as well, most importantly as one of the best Blu-ray and upscaling DVD player money can buy. 👍
So you are quite right, and I suspect for most people it won't seriously diminish the value they get from having a PS3 without BC support.
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I think you are underestimating the amount of people who do care (or what at least looks to be the amount of people who care). If the fiasco over the software vs. hardware BC was any indication, I'm guessing removing it entirely will lead to Sony's European HQ being burned to the ground.
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I prefer less consoles plugged in as ps2 is only used for Guitar Hero. Like I said before not needing to swap memory cards and having a wireless Sony controller is nice. And PS2 games look better than they do on ps2 so the way they look on large screens is irrelevant. It only isn't important to those who don't need it or use it, but the same people who say they never should have had it to start should be a little more open minded. PS1 games have never used the EE and will always work on PS3. PS2 does not run ps1 games in progressive scan. PS1 titles on ps1 and ps2 had terrible low res interlacing thats been removed when played on ps3.
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That's OK, I also think you are overestimating the amount of people who do care, and especially when based on how little to no evidence there is that this so-called fiasco over hardware VS software BC impacted sales… just a lot of internet speculation and personal opinion.I think you are underestimating the amount of people who do care (or what at least looks to be the amount of people who care). If the fiasco over the software vs. hardware BC was any indication, I'm guessing removing it entirely will lead to Sony's European HQ being burned to the ground.
Let's not forget, most console owners are not nearly as geeky as you find on various online gaming forums where you'll find people arguing endlessly over the most meaningless things that they themselves don't even care about, but enjoy arguing over nonetheless.
I also think you are making a lot of assumptions, including the assumption that there won’t be PS3's with BC support for those that do care that much about BC support and willing to pay to have it. Currently at least, all PS3 models have BC support, and the 40GB edition isn't even out yet, which sort of makes this arguement look like the example I gave earlier where some people like to argue over rather meaningless things.
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You quoted the smiley (and the part where I essentially said that it was overblown) but didn't get that it was a joke?
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Since having my PS3 I've played one PS2 game on it, GT4, and that went off after a single race.
If your that bothered about backwards compatiblity, keep your PS2. That said, I'm more for the idea of getting more for your money than less, but people who have a large collection of PS2 games are surely going to have a PS2.
If your that bothered about backwards compatiblity, keep your PS2. That said, I'm more for the idea of getting more for your money than less, but people who have a large collection of PS2 games are surely going to have a PS2.
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BC really isn't too important anymore, at least for me. As Dave A says I kept my PS2 for PS2 games.
But the PS3 is now £299 though if I were buying a PS3 now I'd pay the £50 more to get the 60GB. Still it is that magic number which will certainly help sales running up to Christmas. However Sony really still needs to sell the PS3; advertising, sponsorship etc.
But the PS3 is now £299 though if I were buying a PS3 now I'd pay the £50 more to get the 60GB. Still it is that magic number which will certainly help sales running up to Christmas. However Sony really still needs to sell the PS3; advertising, sponsorship etc.
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I have to totally agree with SF, and also with what Sony said about why they chose to go this rout.
They said and i quote "Mr Maguire said: "The people who want to get into new technology early are prepared to pay a premium.
We want to get the console to the next level; we have re-engineered the machine to bring the price down."
this i think is a good thing, maybe slicing off two of the usbs is a bit far to go (i use all four for charging all four pads after a gaming night.) but the card reader is a minimal thing, and is used ever so often, im just glad they kept wifi in.
They said and i quote "Mr Maguire said: "The people who want to get into new technology early are prepared to pay a premium.
We want to get the console to the next level; we have re-engineered the machine to bring the price down."
this i think is a good thing, maybe slicing off two of the usbs is a bit far to go (i use all four for charging all four pads after a gaming night.) but the card reader is a minimal thing, and is used ever so often, im just glad they kept wifi in.
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My PS2 crapped out on me 2 weeks before I bought my PS3 so when I did get the PS3 it had the BC so I could still play my favourite PS2 games.
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Here's the issue as far as I understand it. The PS2 was primarily comprised of 2 microprocessors, 1 was the Emotion Engine (or EE chip) and the other was the Graphics Synthesizer (or GS chip). So for Europe SCEE originally released a revision of the PS3 that did not have the EE chip in it but it did still have the GS chip. The new 40GB machine is missing both of these chips. Apparently the software emulation, as least as currently developed, is not capable of effectively mimicking the GS hardware. So that is why the 40GB PS3 is considered to have zero backwards compatibility.
I would think it is at least possible that in the future Sony could update their BC emulation software to emulate both the EE and GS hardware, but it'd be better for someone else with more knowledge to comment.
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