PS3 General Discussion

sprite
Again as said above nothing to be worried about, if you want to play the game, play it on PC, as what Ive heard the frame rate is shocking on the 360.
Oblivion on the 360 run in Shader Model 3 with Anti-Aliasing in 720P(1280x720) with the texture in Ultra High. The only way to perform better is to use SLI or Cross fire to get a better frame-rate with the same setting with the top cards.


sprite
All this talk of cancled PS3 games has only be brought into the forums because it is PS3 and was posted around various forums by 360 fanboys and sparking many flame wars around the net, if it was the 360 that was suffering loss of games, the PS3 fanboys wouldnt go into the 360 forums posting it, they would just brag in their own place. Then again the games that have been axed or just rumored to have been axed are nothing special. If it was MGS4 that had been canned then yes it would be serious new, but seeing as its not no need to worry.

I'm a 360 fan & I'm checking all the news out on the PS3. Though I post news. Too bad they are bad. :sly:
 
If I was a girl lives next to your house, will you marry me? Why don't you stick with the fact?
And no, I won't buy the 360 since GT and MGS are not going to be good when they are stuffed on those DVD9 discs.
 
KENJIusa
If I was a girl lives next to your house, will you marry me? Why don't you stick with the fact?
I don't get it, what does that have to do with anything?
And no, I won't buy the 360 since GT and MGS are not going to be good when they are stuffed on those DVD9 discs.
Ok, thank you.
 
High definition

High definition TV to make its mark
The world of video is seen as the next great challenge in the industry, and new players are coming through with come innovative architectures.
Established chip makers Conexant Systems, Broadcom and ST Microelectronics are all due to ship single chip HDTV decoders that use the latest MPEG4 part 10 (also called AVC and H.264) compression technology in set top boxes next year, but alongside these are some new architectures. One of those was WISchip International, a US start up which was bought by German TV chip maker Micronas last October.
WISchip’s DeCypher8100 decoder uses three MIPS cores with a mixture of programmable elements and hardwired accelerator blocks for functions such as CABC, ME and DCT all linked via a 32bit bus switch. This can handle one HD channel up to 1080 progressive (1080p requires significantly higher performance decode than 1080i) and an SD channel for picture in picture, recording on a VCR or distribution around the home.
The elegance of the architecture is that one of the MIP engines is used for a programmable Digital Right Management core that handles all the common encryption technologies such as AES and 3DES in hardware and the key management in software.
This not only allows content to be decrypted and sent out over the HDMI link to the TV screen, but also re-encrypted to be sent out over the Ethernet port to other devices or networked around the home, still encrypted. This is not possible with many other solutions.
The other two cores are used for the network stack, taking advantage of a expertise from Broadcom and the well established MIPS software infrastructure, while the other core is used for the transport and demultiplxing, allowing both current MPEG2 transport and the native MPEG4 formats to be handled.
“WISchip’s portfolio of products and important IP for HDTV from whatever source, be it broadcast, IPTV or delivered from storage media, makes the company the perfect complement for Micronas’ state-of-the-art HD display products,” said Wolfgang Kalsbach, CEO of the Micronas Group. “WISchip has assembled a great team of industry experts in the field of advanced algorithms and SOC architectures. Its activities significantly strengthen our worldwide R&D efforts.”
The designs will be combined with Micronas’ own TV chips. “The combination of technologies and products from Micronas and WISchip will enable Micronas’ customers to quickly bring to market next-generation audio/video solutions for a broad range of products, including Integrated Digital HDTVs, enhanced cable, satellite and terrestrial TV set-top boxes, personal video recorders (PVRs), next generation high definition DVD recorders (HD DVD and BluRay) and players, Internet Protocol (IP) set-top boxes,
IP AV streaming systems as well as IP surveillance cameras,” said Hans-Jürgen Désor, vice president of Consumer Products of Micronas.
Part of the expertise is in execution, says Jim Nguyen, director of marketing at WISchip who joined the company from Sigma Designs and MIPS before that. WISchip has built its own FPGA-based verification boards and run extensive hardware and software co-simulation so that drivers were ready before the chip went to the fab, and the company has an extremely high confidence that the chip will work first time. The fact that many of these blocks were already used in chips for the PC market also adds to the confidence.
One advantage is the lack of legacy, says Nguyen, as it allows them to build a very clean architecture without having to support legacy software. “I think it more good than bad at this point,” he said.
Digital Signal Processing giant Texas Instruments is also aiming to replicate thesuccess it has had in the GSM cellular phone market in the video world, but it’s plans are under attack from a range of new and innovative architectures backed by some highly experienced industry players.
The Da Vinci ‘platform’ from TI aims to combine an ARM core (and possibly a MIPS core) with the latest digital signal processing core in a wide range of applications, from portable video through surveillance systems to standard definition TV over phone lines and even high definition TV.
This is a similar approach to the OMAP platform for cell phones that now dominates the market with a single software and development infrastructure, making it simple for companies such as Nokia, Symbian and Motorola to develop operating systems to a standard set of APIs.
“We believe da Vinci will span the same applications in video as GSM,” said Rich Templeton, CEO of TI.
The key says Jean Marc Darchy, DSP Systems director for Europe at Texas Instruments, is the software. “The aim is to provide a lot of the software components such as Linux and WinCE (on da Vinci) and a series of other that are more targeting the embedded system world. We are providing the middleware and the user interface capabilities so with the first device we will attack the market with much more of a solution provider approach.”
But it is just the flexibility in software and ‘solution provider approach’ that is offering opportunities to other, smaller chip vendors. With a clean set of APIs that comes from not having to support legacy applications, start ups say they can offer a better solution.
“In the 1980s we had RISC and that was very exciting. I think video is the thing now,” said Howard Sachs, founder of US start up Telairity and the man who developed the patent for Very Long Instruction Word (VLIW) technology while at Intergraph Sachs.
Despite being small, with just 23 people, the company has a depth of experience with Sachs and Jim Meadlock, founder of Intergraph. That has led to Telairity offering the whole system, with a wide range of software modules that customers can use, says Sachs.
It is that change that has attracted the attention of analysts. “H.264 is an important new standard for HD broadcasting, and Telairity has positioned itself well with this architecture to take advantage of the demand for H.264 encoding equipment,” said Michelle Abraham, Principal Analyst, Converging Markets & Technologies, Multimedia, at In-Stat.
The new chip, the T1P2000, is built on a 90nm process at Fujitsu and measures 10mmx15mm. It combines five independent vector/scalar cores, a video controller, and a DRAM controller supporting an I/O bandwidth up to 5.3Gbit/s in the SoC. Each vector/scalar core features four vector pipes with independent hardware, an independent scalar unit, 128Kbytes of on-chip vector SRAM, a 4Kbyte vector SRAM data cache, an 8Kbyte scalar scratchpad memory, and a 32-Kbyte instruction cache.
At a clock rate of 668.25MHz, or nine times the 74.25MHz 20bit video standard, the T1P2000 reaches a total sustained chip performance of 55.5GOPS.
Sachs is talking to the tier one encoder makers such as Tandberg Television and Harmonic, both of which use the high end TI DSPs at the moment.
“We are not going to take on TI head on – we will leverage a processor tuned for this market, and we believe that we can be very successful at it, as the TI focus is on the handheld and a very broad market,” he said.
“The architecture we have is a five processor architecture which will give a high definition TV real time encoder solution in 8 chips and one FPGA, which is the same performance at 24 of TI’s chips. And those eight chips have perhaps 30percent spare capacity for other complex algorithms such as rate control.
The company is funded by Sachs and colleagues such as Meadlock with a few smaller investors. “We are interested in building a company and not so much in getting an immediate return,” said Sachs.
The TV market is one focus, and others include the HD DVD market that also includes Blu Ray recordable systems, as well as video over DSL phone lines, all the areas that TI is targeting. “We expect to expand our architecture and software expertise into other markets that are very allied to the current one such as video surveillance, military systems and medical imaging,” said Sachs.
The company is also taking a different tack on evaluations. “We are not going to run benchmarks,” says Sachs baldly. “If they like the pictures that come out, then we will talk about their raw video streams. It's all about the overall solution, not about whether our DCT or motion estimation is adequate because there are so many facets to this problem.”
“The best processor benchmark is the customer's application, and it is in this type of environment that we've designed and measured the capabilities of the Telairity-1 architecture,” he said. “Lower prices for HD equipment, ramping sales of HDTV receivers and monitors, and the availability of HD-DVD and Blu-Ray DVD players mean that HDTV has arrived.”
Yet another new approach is being taken by Neotion, a French company that has patented the idea of using an MPEG4 AVC module in a CAM module. This is the slot in the back of a TV or payTV set top box that can take a PCMCIAcard with hardware for conditional access.
Neotion bought French chip designer Xeole of Sophia Antiolis 18 months ago and has now produced a transcoder that will take an MPEG4 AVC input and produce an MPEG2 stream in real time. While there initially doesn't seem to be a need for such a chip, Neotion sees it being used to convert today’s MEPG2 set top boxes into tomorrows AVC boxes with a simple US$20 upgrade.
This is particularly appealing for the integrated digital TV makers who want to make one version of the set and regionalise it with a simple plug-in module by the distributor. This might seem a bit bizarre, but the company has a deal with Sony to use it.
The key is that the chip can be cheaper because it is not having to do a full video decode – it takes the MPEG4 AVC decode down to the intermediate I-frame rather than the full video, and then re-encodes to MPEG2. This means all the existing infrastructure of the IDTV or set top box can be used, and the Neotion chip only has to do half the job. The output has been tested against the decoders from ST, Conexant, NEC, Fujitsu and NEC, says Dominique
But Neotion has also capitalised on its internal skills, as the CEO used to run contract manufacturer SCM Microsystems, the leading manufacturer of conditional access modules. So 2mm high PCMCIA card holds the circuit board for the Neotion transcoder but will also take a smartcard for the CA system.
The idea can be extended with wireless networking. Plugging a module with an 802.11g front end into the IDTV – and all sets over 26in have to have these sockets – creates a link to a PC that can run a software MPEG4 encoder, allowing video content on the PC can be displayed on the TV.
The new implementations of MPEG4 is driving innovation in digital video imaging, with new ideas and better ways of handling the video, producing smaller, higher performance and more cost effective systems.
 
Also, Tenacious D and KENJIusa, if all the games you listed were mostly exclusive X360 titles, would you buy an X360?
Dude. If the 360 owned the game world, I wouldn't give the PS3 or Wii a sniff. Ya know? Who buys a game system just so they can admire the blinky lights and boot screen?

But using actual logic, when one system has the lion's share of software I want, who in their right mind, unless they have money to throw out the window is going to spend a bunch on two systems?

Sufficiently clued now? ;)

Oh, one more thing. The ONLY game system I ever owned which crashed routinely was made by Micro$oft. :D
 
Mr Deap
Oblivion on the 360 run in Shader Model 3 with Anti-Aliasing in 720P(1280x720) with the texture in Ultra High. The only way to perform better is to use SLI or Cross fire to get a better frame-rate with the same setting with the top cards.

You dont need a SLI/Crossfire system to achive a better frame. A single 7900GTX/x1900xtx would get greater frame rates than the 360 verison at even higher resolutions at max settings. Disable HDR for AA and it gets even better.....
 
Mr Deap
Oblivion on the 360 run in Shader Model 3 with Anti-Aliasing in 720P(1280x720) with the texture in Ultra High. The only way to perform better is to use SLI or Cross fire to get a better frame-rate with the same setting with the top cards.
Untrue. I would go so far as to say that even a more mid-range PC than one with a GForce 7900 would run it fine.
 
Tenacious D
Dude. If the 360 owned the game world, I wouldn't give the PS3 or Wii a sniff. Ya know? Who buys a game system just so they can admire the blinky lights and boot screen?

But using actual logic, when one system has the lion's share of software I want, who in their right mind, unless they have money to throw out the window is going to spend a bunch on two systems?

Sufficiently clued now? ;)

Oh, one more thing. The ONLY game system I ever owned which crashed routinely was made by Micro$oft. :D
Well, I'm asking you these questions to make sure you guys are not a bunch of Sony fanboys (which you seemed like it because of the long list of games).
 
Frankly, I hate Sony as a company as much as Microsoft and EA.

But if I was such a Microsoft hater, I wouldn't have bought an XBox and wheel controller just to play Forza. However, this time around the ante is a LOT higher, and really don't see any must-have games on the 360 this holiday season except Forza 2. Right now, I can't justify spending as much on a 360, wheel controller and one game as it would cost to get a PlayStation 3. If I'm swimming in dough this Christmas, heck, I'd probably buy games I'm only idly interested in on all systems just to try them out, and if I didn't like them, hey, late Christmas presents for the relatives. ;)

But since that's unlikely, I pick based on the biggest bag of marbles, and Sony has the bag. Japanese developers making the really cool games are going to the PS3 and Wii, and that's just the way it is. Hate on the developers.
 
Sony are a hard nosed business, just like Microsoft. I don't hate them, because they're goal is to make money, as mine is when I'm doing business. The PS3 appeals to me more than the XB360 ever did and does, but I still have an XB360.

Why, because I have money for them both, and both have enough marbles in the bag to justify a purchase in my mind. Though UI'll have to wait and see if the PS3 will be getting bought at launch or not.
 
I don't hate or like MS, Winning Eleven 7 was the reason I bought the PS2 instead of Xbox, I love soccer game to death, and at that time, Winning Eleven 7 only out for PS2. There are many games on Xbox that I really want to play like Jade Empire, Ninja Gaiden, but I only like to buy one console for each gen. Reason for me to buy the PS3? The games, the Bluray, the longevity of Playstation name.
 
Well, I hate Sony because they deliberately set out to destroy Sega in the console market, and I love Sega. The poor Dreamcast didn't deserve what Sony did to it. It's a fantastic console still, very close in power to the PS2. Plus those shysters gouge you for everything they can. Their repair bills are atrocious, and when they sold the PSOne, you didn't even get a memory card! On a machine without onboard game save memory, that's pretty cheap, and a bunch of people found that out late when overworked clerks forgot to remind people of that little detail.

I hate Microsoft because they're attempting to do the same thing to Sony, so maybe what goes around comes around, eh? Plus Microsoft is as bad as Sony in overpricing everything. Vista, wonderful new streamlined, bug and security issue free next gen OS perfect for gamers... at $400. Yeah, right. When they treated their customers like sex offenders with XP, and if you upgraded your PC it would refuse to run for you, that's when they hit my last nerve. Stupid brand new XBox crashes too.

I hate Electronic Arts for trying to be the Microsoft of gaming, buying up entire franchizes like the NFL and certain car companies that no one else can use without a hefty fee. Need For Speed sucks anymore anyhow. Burn in hell. The same goes for Immertia or whatever that ghey company's name is that patented all force feedback and rumble technology. Die.
 
You say that as if PS2's included mind control for gamers to not buy Dreamcast and spread the word not to buy it. All Sony did was follow up to the already successful Playstation. Were they supposed to use lesser technology? Plus the System was $100 more than Segas. Its just business they had no control over Dreamcast the consumers did. Sony did nothing to Dreamcast the lack of a large fanbase did. Sony already established it with Super popular Playstation. Saturn Failed, Dreamcast Failed, Sega could not afford to die out all together. Nintendo is still around because of the fan support Dreamcast didn't have thanks to Saturn's failure and Genisis's back seat to SNES and numerous system failures, Sega CD,32x, nomad,CDX . Sega dug its own grave. It did well at first because it had no competition.
 
LaBounti
You say that as if PS2's included mind control for gamers to not buy Dreamcast and spread the word not to buy it. All Sony did was follow up to the already successful Playstation. Were they supposed to use lesser technology? Plus the System was $100 more than Segas. Its just business they had no control over Dreamcast the consumers did. Sony did nothing to Dreamcast the lack of a large fanbase did. Sony already established it with Super popular Playstation. Saturn Failed, Dreamcast Failed, Sega could not afford to die out all together. Nintendo is still around because of the fan support Dreamcast didn't have thanks to Saturn's failure and Genisis's back seat to SNES and numerous system failures, Sega CD,32x, nomad,CDX . Sega dug its own grave. It did well at first because it had no competition.

&s till yet we still play Virtua Fighter, Shenmue & Sonic right now...:sly:
 
I might play Virtual Fighter 5 on the PS3, but probably not. As for Sonic, never liked the games. Shemue? Meh, I prefer GTA.
Anyway I don't get any of this "I hate so-and-so" attitude. I certainly do not define myself by the games I play or the products I buy. After all if there was a magic wand and all videogames were wiped from history would civilisation be any worse off? Nope. It's not important. Enjoy what you like and if you don't like something ignore it. But maybe as I'm 36 and I have other things on my mind my attitude is different from others.
Anyway, I have room for the 360 and PS3, and possibly the Wii though I've never owned a Nintendo system. I don't expect everyone to be the same but if people had the money for all three consoles and all the games would'nt they buy all three? Where's the "I hate so-and-so" atitude then if you own them all?
 
Mr Deap
&s till yet we still play Virtua Fighter, Shenmue & Sonic right now...:sly:

What's your point? If Sony went under we'd be playing MGS on the 360.

If MS went under we'd be playing Halo on PS3.

When a hardware company goes under, that doesn't mean all of it's IP's just die off and no one makes them anymore...:dopey:
 
Jeremy Ricci
What's your point? If Sony went under we'd be playing MGS on the 360.

If MS went under we'd be playing Halo on PS3.

When a hardware company goes under, that doesn't mean all of it's IP's just die off and no one makes them anymore...:dopey:

Yep, exactly. :sly:

Sonic went to GC.

MGS 2 have appeared on PC & XBOX. & MGS 1 remake went on GC.
 
LaBounti
Sony did nothing to Dreamcast the lack of a large fanbase did.
There were plenty of people ready to give any next gen system a chance. The Dreamcast set sales records when it came out, but Sony poisoned the press with the notion that the PS2 was 10 times better than the Dreamcast, just like Microsoft is doing for the PS3.

Haven't you noticed the ridiculous snews stories about the PS3? Same thing for the Dreamcast. You have to be Microsoft or Sony to fight an overwhelming tidal wave of bad press. Sony won the media war, that much is true, but the Dreamcast is still loved by many developers as the most underrated console in history. There was not a thing wrong with it. It was easier to develop for than PS2 - which developers still hate by the way. But hey, history is history.
 
Apologies if this has been asked and answered before but how is the HDD of the PS3 upgradeable? Unlike the 360 which has it's HDD clearly visible I don't see where on the PS3 you can take out the HDD and replace it with another. How do you actually go about doing it?:confused:
 
slackbladder
Apologies if this has been asked and answered before but how is the HDD of the PS3 upgradeable? Unlike the 360 which has it's HDD clearly visible I don't see where on the PS3 you can take out the HDD and replace it with another. How do you actually go about doing it?:confused:


I think on the right or left side there is a bay for where the HDD sits. I think you just pop open the little cover and then you eject the HDD. I believe its a 2.5 in drive meaning the ones used in laptops.
 
Tenacious D
There were plenty of people ready to give any next gen system a chance. The Dreamcast set sales records when it came out, but Sony poisoned the press with the notion that the PS2 was 10 times better than the Dreamcast, just like Microsoft is doing for the PS3.

Haven't you noticed the ridiculous snews stories about the PS3? Same thing for the Dreamcast. You have to be Microsoft or Sony to fight an overwhelming tidal wave of bad press. Sony won the media war, that much is true, but the Dreamcast is still loved by many developers as the most underrated console in history. There was not a thing wrong with it. It was easier to develop for than PS2 - which developers still hate by the way. But hey, history is history.

Sony had a massive fanbase pre PS2. PS2 smashed the dreamcasts sales records because of the fanbase not propaganda. Xbox's has more power but the fanbase was too big for xbox to put any dent in the ps2 sales.

The only developers I can see still hating the ps2 architecture are ones who port games....
 
slackbladder
I might play Virtual Fighter 5 on the PS3, but probably not. As for Sonic, never liked the games. Shemue? Meh, I prefer GTA.
Anyway I don't get any of this "I hate so-and-so" attitude. I certainly do not define myself by the games I play or the products I buy. After all if there was a magic wand and all videogames were wiped from history would civilisation be any worse off? Nope. It's not important. Enjoy what you like and if you don't like something ignore it. But maybe as I'm 36 and I have other things on my mind my attitude is different from others.
Anyway, I have room for the 360 and PS3, and possibly the Wii though I've never owned a Nintendo system. I don't expect everyone to be the same but if people had the money for all three consoles and all the games would'nt they buy all three? Where's the "I hate so-and-so" atitude then if you own them all?

👍

very well put...
as we say in Brasil "quem pode, pode."(the one who can, does.) and if u can't ,stick to what u got.
Quote: (anonymous) I don't have everything i love, but i love everything i have.:)

Well i asked this before and no one really gave me a complete answer so i'll try again..

dont know much about the specs on the PS3, but does anyone think it would be possible to do the multiple screens without having to buy 2 more PS3s and 2 more of whatever game u own ( surround gaming ) ex. different angles . left , center , right.
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thanx:tup:
 
With regards to the multiple screens. If it's for GT4 then I'd assume it will need the same set up as it would using the PS2 as the software will be no different. I'm pretty sure the PS3 only outputs to one display. Sony dropped the two HDMI ports to one port (none on the 20GB version). I guess it will still use LAN connections but that will still require mulitple PS3's, displays and games. I don't think it's possible to have one console displaying on three screens with one game.
Of course this is my assumption, but I'm pretty sure it's accurate.

As for the HDD, yeah that's kinda what I thought but I could never actually see anything on the PS3 that looked like a flap etc. However after doing some looking around I've found a pic. It's of the "prototype" PS3 shown last year but you can see the HDD slot clearly
I assume it'll be the same on the revised PS3 when it's on sale.
 

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slackbladder
I certainly do not define myself by the games I play or the products I buy. After all if there was a magic wand and all videogames were wiped from history would civilisation be any worse off? Nope. It's not important. Enjoy what you like and if you don't like something ignore it. But maybe as I'm 36 and I have other things on my mind my attitude is different from others.
Absolutely true 👍

Tbh thuogh I find myself less and less interested in games in general each week, there's a reason I don't post in the GT5 forums often anymore, I just really don't care. MGS4 is the only game I'm actually genuinely hyped about am looking forwards to. Sure there's other I will buy like TD:U and GT5, but I just can't get myself interested enough to start getting hyped about them, if they never get released I won't bat an eyelid. TD:U is a decent game judging from the demo. But when I buy it, and if it's very good, I'll maybe play it for 3-5 hours a week for the first 2 weeks, after which it'll be the odd hour every month or two. If that. And that's what I do with my good games.

I may buy a PS3 and in 5 or 6 years buy less than 5 games for it, because I'm seriousely considering buying only the very best of the best games. Theres just no point in it, I don't prize my games collection like I do my DVD collection where I'm a sucker for special editions bvut I don't really care. I walk into my upper livingroom and I'm proud of my DVD collection and my home cinema I have setup, though it's not finished yet. I have my games collection stuffed in a drawer these days out of the way, I guess, for want of a better term I'm just growing out of them. That's not to say games are for kids, but just that personally I'm getting less interested in them. Blue-ray is currently the PS3's biggest ace imo. MGS4 is the only game I really want, on any platform.
 
thanx slackbladder...

I opened the pic u posted, and i finally took time to marvel at the design, an man, it looks so much better than the x360 and as we all know looks can be deceiving, but in this case i have to give sony two thumbs up at least in that aspect. i really dont understant all the blue ray and HDD stuff, but i am sure i will after i get the PS3 . I saw it has HDMI out put 1 and 2... does that mean 2P mode could be in separate tvs? and why 3 ethernet hubs? < no need for hub for link to other PS3's?

just curious...
thanx
 
fideles1986 That pic is an old one, from last year I think. It shows HDMIx2 but in the spec for the console now (for release) it has 1.

live4speed Generally I feel the same way. As I get older I find myself becoming more and more selective with what games I get. I still enjoy them and I can usually find an hour or two most days to fit some gaming in. But I must admit they're boring me ever so slightly now. Though I've played one or two fun games on the 360 and I'm looking forward to one or two more this year it's the PS3 catalogue that I'm most looking forward to, particulalry MGS4 but also GT5 and a half dozen or so others.
But it's the Blue-ray of the PS3 is keeping me interested in other things than games. And I can see myself in 5 or 6 years time not playing videogames at all and instead collecting as many of my favourite films as possible. Videogames demand a lot of time and though I have it to spend now I don't see it being the same 5 years from now. I think for me the PS3 will be my last console sojourn!
 
I totally agree with what has been said over the last couple of posts about the buyer being choosie, and I think this is because people are becoming more tech savvy and know what is good and what is not, plus people are becoming more shrewed and wont spend copious amounts of cash on loads of stuff, but will spend that little extra on something special if it warents the purchase.

For me the PS3 fits exactly into this, as yes its more expensive than its closest rival the 360, but it warrents the price due to the type of hardware you get. Yes the 360 is a good machine and has got good games on it and also coming in the future, but they dont make the 360 more attractive as a one off purchase like the PS3 does.

I see it like this if you want more bang for your buck then the PS3 is waht you want, The 360 is a party popper and the PS3 is a sonic boom.

the HDD slot is still on the newer and fatter design, but looks a little more intergrated into the side.

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Sorry that it is a little hard to see, but you can still see it.
 
Yeah, that looks better. Hard to see against the blackness of the PS3. Now, is it possible to use any 2.5" HDD to upgrade the HDD or will it still be a Sony specific? I don't think I'll be changing it too soon though. 60GB is quite a bit to fill. But as I'm down to 5GB on my 360 (I guess I could delete some stuff, but I'd still be left with under 10) I'm thinking I may end up fillinf up the HDD of the PS3 faster than I think. I guess it'll depend on what there is on offer to download.
 

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