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[Alien96]

sry, i got disconnected

 

[Denilson]

I had a perfect run up to my 2nd pit stop... And then the notorious Laguna Seca glitch struck me.. Just a "drive thru".. tryed to enter the pits in the next following 7 laps, but still no pit crew.. So after 8 drive thrus and totally worn out tires, I decided to pull over to not potentially crash in to someone trying to lap me..

All drivers in room 1 that signed up did show. Minion07 told us a few days ago that he could not attend, and NEPALII joined VERY late!

Al in all, the race seemed to go just fine.. Weight checks, quali, formation lap and race was well organized and without troublle. 👍

Now, there's one question:
Can we use a track with such glitches?
Cause as far as I know, this is the only track on our schedule that got this kind of glitch.
Imo, we can't have that. So this track need to go.

One other thing that should make this track to go is that it's the only track where one car is in great disadvantage. The NSX.

So if we change this track for another, we'll get rid of a possible reace devistating glitch, and add a track that will support the poor NSX..

Comments?

 

[Wardez]

Well that's a new one. I got disconnected right after the race ended in between the race and the lobby. The Woodone's a weird car. I guess I just sacrificed myself so the car would never see the light of day.

Edit: Wait, did the room explode on every one?

 

[WiiFreak]

Well that's a new one. I got disconnected right after the race ended in between the race and the lobby. The Woodone's a weird car. I guess I just sacrificed myself so the car would never see the light of day.

Edit: Wait, did the room explode on every one?

That may have been the case. The same thing happened to me and I can't seem to get back into the room.

 

[Denilson]

Everything went really well in that race imo.

What happened in the end is totally strange.

What did we improve?
All procedures was top notch. Nothing at all to complain about.. Perhaps that NEPALII was a bit to fast out of the last corner prior start, so the field did not form that well, but that aside, well done to all! 👍

Gratz NEPALII for a super clean victory!


So how about room 2?

OwnesRacing
Andil
Joshua1994

stated why they did not show.. The rest?

 

[RIP_Welsh_Don]

Yep, room exploded! lol

I had the same thing on my first pit stop too Chorda, just drove straight through, but ok next lap. Then I got damage shortly after exiting turn 4, so the 3 pits in 4 laps killed me, plus a few mistakes.

Great job by Nepal, Wii and CSL for the podium (I think?).

I did manage to get the Yellowhat YMS Supra round in a best of 1'21.7xx, which considering the tune felt poor seems ok to me. Be interested to see what the fastest laps were for everyone in the different cars. Tyre wear was slightly front biased, but not too bad, however after lap 10, it started to 'push' quite badly.

Good job all and a shame Aliens disco'd too. His car shot straight across my front bumper when it happened to, lol.

EDIT: Just realised my car was down to 508bhp at the end! Should have changed oil! lol

 

[CSLACR]

Guess it did, wondered what happened. That's weird though, I've never had a drive through pit yet. (knocks on wood)

Couldn't get into a groove at all until the final stint, where low fuel helped me run a 20.8 around lap 42.

 

[GV27]

Room two was nice and clean as far as I can tell. There was a possible issue with the rolling start, with someone jump starting right before the starting line, but nothing too serious I think. It was just 9 of us, though.


As for my personal experience, I have to honestly say I'm just not having fun. It's not criticism, everything's spot on, guys. But I've had two absolutely awful races. Part of it is my inexperience with the car, that's clearly one big reason.

But being on my own for the whole hour because of one single mistake is heart-breaking. Then I lost concentration and I ended up having so many mistakes (and the infamous Laguna Seca pit glitch) that I finished dead last. I would never hope to win any race; I'd be crazy to hope for such a thing, but it's the first time in my whole life I've finished last in a competitive race. And it's not pleasant.

Do not misunderstand me, as unpleasant as this race was, I did not ragequit and would never do it. I hate such actions and I stoically went until the end, although by then, my nerves were so wrecked I was making a massive amount of mistakes. I just don't know; I understand I need to get used to the car, but I'm not feeling it, and right now I don't think I'll be able to learn to be decent with this.

So yes, motivation below zero, but a true driver fights until the end, so...

 

[Denilson]

I know the NSX will be faster at some tracks and slower at others, but after a few flying laps yesterday at Laguna I noticed the tyre wear is much worse on the NSX than it is on the GT-R. Even if their tyre wear was the same, the NSX would suffer more because of it's twitchiness. Even if you had a good tune on it. If I was to use the NSX for the whole season, I wouldn't see myself doing any 1 stops. Do you lot see this the same way or is it just me?

👍

I hear you!

 

[Denilson]

Room two was nice and clean as far as I can tell. There was a possible issue with the rolling start, with someone jump starting right before the starting line, but nothing too serious I think. It was just 9 of us, though.


As for my personal experience, I have to honestly say I'm just not having fun. It's not criticism, everything's spot on, guys. But I've had two absolutely awful races. Part of it is my inexperience with the car, that's clearly one big reason.

But being on my own for the whole hour because of one single mistake is heart-breaking. Then I lost concentration and I ended up having so many mistakes (and the infamous Laguna Seca pit glitch) that I finished dead last. I would never hope to win any race; I'd be crazy to hope for such a thing, but it's the first time in my whole life I've finished last in a competitive race. And it's not pleasant.

Do not misunderstand me, as unpleasant as this race was, I did not ragequit and would never do it. I hate such actions and I stoically went until the end, although by then, my nerves were so wrecked I was making a massive amount of mistakes. I just don't know; I understand I need to get used to the car, but I'm not feeling it, and right now I don't think I'll be able to learn to be decent with this.

So yes, motivation below zero, but a true driver fights until the end, so...

I understand your feelings.. It takes a good few hours to throw the GT500's around a track in a good pace. So it's def hard.
And with the driver standards in here, no experiance in a GT500 will put you in the back.
I hope you'll be able to get some practice in and stay with us. You'll notice huge improvements pretty much instantly if you just try hard to get to know the car class.

How was participation in room 2?

 

[Biffy]

This race really reminded me what I hate about GT5.

Rather than go into a stupid amount of detail, I'll just sum it up nicely in chronological order. First, I got jump-started by TRP_Replay, he was in front of me by the time the car in front of me started accelerating, to say I was sleeping is such a crappy excuse. Then I must have given TnJF the smallest of taps (sorry about that, by no means intentional), and ended up with damage, but I still managed to keep racing. Then in the next lap I got bumped off at the Corkscrew and right into the walls, giving me full damage. Finally, to really rub it in, Kaz's pitcrew decided to be evil 🤬, not letting me pit despite a clean entry into the pits, and effectively destroying my race.

On the flipside, I have to thank Dennis for some great tuning tips. Whacked an untested tune on my car using them and I was fairly fast when I was focused, getting a 1'21.9 compared to the fastest Quali time of 1'21.4. Plus the car was pretty nice to drive. I know you guys have already decided this but the GT-R (Or Calsonic specifically), drives quite well with these specs and feels just right in terms of competitiveness.

 

[redreevos]

Well that's a new one. I got disconnected right after the race ended in between the race and the lobby. The Woodone's a weird car. I guess I just sacrificed myself so the car would never see the light of day.

Edit: Wait, did the room explode on every one?

Same happened for me as well.

Weird thing happened to me on Lap 11(I think).. Litchi spawned right in front of me in the apex of the second to last turn. He wasn't on my screen, then suddenly his car appeared, parked in the apex. Engine and both front corners damaged. Never had that happen before, with a car just magically appearing parked in the apex. I had maybe .05 seconds between when he appeared and contact.

I ran the final 26 laps on one set of tires, at least that brought some excitement.

 

[GV27]

Oh I'm definitely staying. Even if it's to finish last in every race. I want to learn and get better, so that's a given. It's just very frustrating.

We were 9 drivers in room 2 and 8 finished. So participation wasn't high, but out of those who started, nearly all finished, so this is good I think...

 

[Denilson]

This race really reminded me what I hate about GT5.

Rather than go into a stupid amount of detail, I'll just sum it up nicely in chronological order. First, I got jump-started by TRP_Replay, he was in front of me by the time the car in front of me started accelerating, to say I was sleeping is such a crappy excuse. Then I must have given TnJF the smallest of taps (sorry about that, by no means intentional), and ended up with damage, but I still managed to keep racing. Then in the next lap I got bumped off at the Corkscrew and right into the walls, giving me full damage. Finally, to really rub it in, Kaz's pitcrew decided to be evil 🤬, not letting me pit despite a clean entry into the pits, and effectively destroying my race.

On the flipside, I have to thank Dennis for some great tuning tips. Whacked an untested tune on my car using them and I was fairly fast when I was focused, getting a 1'21.9 compared to the fastest Quali time of 1'21.4. Plus the car was pretty nice to drive. I know you guys have already decided this but the GT-R (Or Calsonic specifically), drives quite well with these specs and feels just right in terms of competitiveness.

Thanks for the report biffy, and glad some of the tuning tips came to use. 👍

The Seca glitch is def one thing we need to concider when finalizing our race schedule, that's for sure.

Regarding the starts: I'm not sure all knows how to handle them, but that's understandable since all have not raced in WSGTC or had any practice races with PURE prior this race. Me and Wardez will def make sure all drivers know how the stratprocedure will go down.

In a pre season race like this, the most important is to get a feel for the cars to ensure they are on par. And as you and Wesh bain said, it seems like the GT-R and YMS are perfectly fine. The SC430 is also good obviously.
All procedures and rules will pop up in the OP during the week, and by Sunday (The day before the first live qualifing session can be held) everything will be 100% cleared out.

I ask all of you to really be on your toes this week to not miss out on any PM's (All drivers will recieve a PM with a chunk of information), or miss any information in the thread and in the OP (Post 1-4).
As you might understand, Stage 1 is held Sunday, Nov 20th. Quali opens up Monday, Nov 14th.

SHould we do one more pre season race next sunday?

 

[CSLACR]

nm, we have irc...
What track to replace it?

 

[Wardez]

Oh I'm definitely staying. Even if it's to finish last in every race. I want to learn and get better, so that's a given. It's just very frustrating.

We were 9 drivers in room 2 and 8 finished. So participation wasn't high, but out of those who started, nearly all finished, so this is good I think...

Awesome GV. Can't wait to have some practice with you sometime, I just know you're gonna get better and better just like in the Integra series 👍

But yes, the pit glitch is definitely a lot more prevalent post-Spec II for some reason, a shame 'cause I love Laguna.

But it is a bit of an enigma of a track, especially for Super GT cars, so I wouldn't miss it too much, always seemed like sort of a novelty race really and not so much a serious one. We already have a novelty race in the form of Monaco anyway

I say we replace it with Monza, say aye?

nm, we have irc...
What track to replace it?

Aye ^

 

[CSLACR]

Edit: Yeah, what the hell, let's do Monza.

 

[HF_NOS]

I enjoyed the race. started from pole and kept it that way. my goal was to maintain good tyre wear. 2 pitstops without issue. the guys behind me had some nice battle. thats what i could see when looking at the map.

 

[Wardez]

Impressive Noss 👍

 

[Dr_Watson]

This race really reminded me what I hate about GT5.

Rather than go into a stupid amount of detail, I'll just sum it up nicely in chronological order. First, I got jump-started by TRP_Replay, he was in front of me by the time the car in front of me started accelerating, to say I was sleeping is such a crappy excuse. Then I must have given TnJF the smallest of taps (sorry about that, by no means intentional), and ended up with damage, but I still managed to keep racing. Then in the next lap I got bumped off at the Corkscrew and right into the walls, giving me full damage. Finally, to really rub it in, Kaz's pitcrew decided to be evil 🤬, not letting me pit despite a clean entry into the pits, and effectively destroying my race.

On the flipside, I have to thank Dennis for some great tuning tips. Whacked an untested tune on my car using them and I was fairly fast when I was focused, getting a 1'21.9 compared to the fastest Quali time of 1'21.4. Plus the car was pretty nice to drive. I know you guys have already decided this but the GT-R (Or Calsonic specifically), drives quite well with these specs and feels just right in terms of competitiveness.

yeah, I hate rolling starts. My race went all pear shaped on the formation + lap1.
Did my pb lap time in quali (1:21.548 IIRC) to put the car on the front row behind NOSS. Then NOSS leads the formation lap out at 100mph not 100kph (btw, don't weave on the formation to warm tires). We get it on pace by the corkscrew hill, I tried to maintain my stagger line through the screw and got bit by the dip at the bottom of the hill and had the rear end tossed out on me. Get back in formation quickly and NOSS drops down to 40mph on the straight creating a massive bunch up of cars, then speeds off... I get owned by the NSX's and a Replay's GTR, then struggle through a squirmy lap on cold tires; get bonked and take rear tire damage... Then it was pretty much over for me. Couldn't go below 1:23 with the rear end damage, was everything I could handle just to keep it on the road once the tires started to wear. Car wanted to kill me every time I went through the corkscrew with the wonky rear end.
By lap 12 I'd lost something around 35 seconds and needed to come in early to get the car fixed.
Pits went off without a hitch, I followed Paginas's yellowhat around just pacing myself on stint 2 trying to get some of my lost laps back to stay on a 2 stop. He was doing 1:22-23 range so I never really saw the need to push him.
Pitted on the end of lap 30 confident that would be my last set of tires + a splash of fuel just to be safe. No bug issues (i slow down to 15mph, put it in 1st gear and stay on the pavement when pitting here... never had the glitch hit me unless i did something silly like cut the kerbing or hit the wall).
Ended up passing Paginas in the pits, pushed the tires hard doing 21's until I'd lost him and then just cruised to the finish line going just fast enough to not get lapped.

Can't complain about the race really. Quali P2 and finishing just off the podium is pretty good for me. Especially since Laguna Seca and I have a history of not getting along. This might be the first race of any real distance that I kept it on the road pointed the right direction the whole time.

 

[HF_NOS]

yeah, I hate rolling starts. My race went all pear shaped on the formation + lap1.
Did my pb lap time in quali (1:21.548 IIRC) to put the car on the front row behind NOSS. Then NOSS leads the formation lap out at 100mph not 100kph. We get it on pace by the corkscrew hill, I tried to maintain my stagger line through the screw and got bit by the dip at the bottom of the hill and had the rear end tossed out on me. Get back in formation quickly and NOSS drops down to 40mph on the straight creating a massive bunch up of cars, then speeds off... I get owned by the NSX's and a Replay's GTR, then struggle through a squirmy lap on cold tires; get bonked and take rear tire damage... Then it was pretty much over for me. Couldn't go below 1:23 with the rear end damage, was everything I could handle just to keep it on the road once the tires started to wear. Car wanted to kill me every time I went through the corkscrew with the wonky rear end.
By lap 12 I'd lost something around 35 seconds and needed to come in early to get the car fixed.
Pits went off without a hitch, I followed Paginas's yellowhat around just pacing myself on stint 2 trying to get some of my lost laps back to stay on a 2 stop. He was doing 1:22-23 range so I never really saw the need to push him.
Pitted on the end of lap 30 confident that would be my last set of tires + a splash of fuel just to be safe. No bug issues (i slow down to 15mph, put it in 1st gear and stay on the pavement when pitting here... never had the glitch hit me unless i did something silly like cut the kerbing or hit the wall).
Ended up passing Paginas in the pits, pushed the tires hard doing 21's until I'd lost him and then just cruised to the finish line going just fast enough to not get lapped.

Can't complain about the race really. Quali P2 and finishing just off the podium is pretty good for me. Especially since Laguna Seca and I have a history of not getting along. This might be the first race of any real distance that I kept it on the road pointed the right direction the whole time.

I didnt know about the 100 kph formation lap until aderrm told me that. i was doing 130kph and not 200mph. btw i run the last bit of the formation lap at 60kph to give the last man a chance to be on the final straight otherwise he will be a lap behind when i do it at 100kph.

 

[paulmac2k9]

i also had a torride time my tyres seemed not to heat and and get grip like i had in the quali before so i spent most of the race braking in my normal spot but overshooting the corner then if i tried to go at the speeds i did in quali i went straight off i spun 3 times and crashed 4 times all with engine damage so ended 3 laps down and did 6 pit stops but GV had a worse time than me so i wasnt last but it sure felt like it.

Hell yes get rid of the hell hole for Monza!!

 

[GV27]

Thanks Wardez 👍 . I certainly hope I'll get better with every outing I get with the car! When I was racing the Integra series, I would have never guessed I'd get any podium finish, so everything's still possible.

Also Laguna Seca doesn't seem to like me. In fact my worst races have been at Monaco and Laguna Seca. Maybe on other tracks I won't be that far off. We'll see! Practice's the key!

Thanks yet again.

Oh and Monza does sound great.

 

[Dr_Watson]

Room2

I can put up an NTSC US replay if anyone wants it... but it's really not terribly exciting. Everyone was pretty spread out. Good job with the domination by NOSS as illustrated by me being the last car on the lead lap in 4th.

Qualifying positions:
1. TRP_NOSS (PETRONAS TOM's SC430)
2. TnJF (Castrol TOM's Supra)
3. GTP_timeattack (TAKATA DOME NSX)
4. GTP_Aderrrm (TAKATA DOME NSX)
5. BiffyClyro93 (Calsonic IMPUL GT-R)
6. TRP_REPLAY (MOTUL AUTECH GT-R)
7. Paginas (YellowHat YMS GT-R)
8. paulmac2k9 (DENSO DUNLOP SC430)
9. GV27- (DENSO DUNLOP SC430)

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+1 for Monza; car's would probably be pretty fun there. Though the NSX would probably own it harder than Spa.

 

[The Outlaw]

Another dissapointing race for me (albeit for a different reason this time), although it was fun while it lasted Fortunately this time we got the race started without a hitch, so that definitely allowed us (well at least me) to maintain our enthusiam and anticipation for the race, without getting frustrated after 3-4 restarts and wanting to leave

My race report:

Quali was pretty lackluster for me, as I had a bit too much coffee to try and overcome my lack of proper sleep...this just left me feeling VERY unsettled and out of touch when it came to hitting my braking points, while staying calm and focused. Fortunately most of the guys seemed to be off their usual pace also, so I still managed to qualify 3rd, just behind NOSS' Lexus and TnJF's/Dr. Watson's Supra...with Aderrrm and Bliffy just behind IIRC.

When it came time to do the rolling start, Dr Watson was tailing very closely to NOSS' rear so I decided I should do the same. Anyway, Aderrrm and myself got very good starts once we crossed the line (most likely due to the NSX's solid throttle response & TQ) while it seemed as though Watson had a rather sluggish start due to the turbo lag of the Supra. From there it seemed to be a 3 way fight between Noss', myself and Aderrm although I was certainly driving quite poorly in my first stint, using too much tire while putting in lap times that really weren't up to snuff. Regardless, Aderrrm and myself managed to keep Noss' well in touch (I could have probably overtake him had I been driving better) up until probably lap 9 or so where the NSX's tires started to take a dive relative to the Lexus. Up until I pitted to end my first stint (on lap 14 or so), Aderrm and myself were playing cat and mouse (making slight mistakes here and there...still out of rhythm) falling back to Noss' by about 4 seconds by the end of the stint on lap 14 IIRC.

It was a fun fight between me and Aderrrm in the first stint, as I would pull a slight gap on him on certain parts of the track then he would close in particularly under braking to the corkscrew and the last corner it seemed. I decided it was a good time to pit after making a slight mistake on lap 13 or 14 just prior to the pit entrance. I felt my first stint was pretty bad and I had been a bit too hard on the the tires, so I figured it was time to bring it in and put some fresh rubber on and regroup.

The lap after I pitted Aderrrm came in for fresh rubber as well - once he came out he was probably about 1.5- 2 seconds behind. As soon as I had put the fresh tires on and was running in clean air I seemed to relax a good deal and was able to pull out a bit of gap to Aderrrm through some consistant and quick driving. By the time lap 28 or 29 came around I was doing my best to keep NOSS in touch (I was ~ 8 seconds behind, while pulling out a comfortable gap to Aderrrm (who I think had a made a few slight mistakes on the 2nd stint). Then on lap 28 or 29 the party was over for me...I was smoothly exiting turn 5 when my god damn $400, "top of the line" BenQ monitors decides to tweak out and shut off. I heard this weird glitch (almost like some static issue) in my earphones and then all of sudden I couldn't see anything but could still hear my car idling...leaving me in a state of, WTF After doing ~ 29 grueling laps at Laguna with the NSX, without any major mistake or off (while still possibly in the contention for the win if I had undercut/pitted before NOSS going into the last stint) I decided to end the misery right there...being that it was just a practice race.

Anyway, well done to NOSS on the victory, as well as Aderrrm for putting in a valiant effort with the NSX The NSX was at a pretty severe disadvantage at this track, not only given the lack of outright pace over 1 lap in qualy (Aderrrm found .8 disadvantage with the NSX vs. Lexus through his testing), but also because of the poor tire degradation of the car which made tire management much more crucial (in order to do 3 solid stints - 2 stopper) than on some of the other cars, especially given that the NSX is generally more loose/twitchy than the FR cars. So given that Aderrm and myself were looking good to put 2 NSX's on the podium, I think we did pretty good considering....and the balance between all the cars might end up being pretty close...although further testing should be done to analyze tire wear, as having to make another stop in a race (which could possibly be an issue for the NSX at future tracks), could make all the difference in the world....even if the outright pace over 1 lap or even 5 laps is quite similar. With that said, I'll try and do a bit of testing later today or at the very least, early in the week.

 

[Dr_Watson]

Anyway, well done to NOSS on the victory, as well as Aderrrm for putting in a valiant effort with the NSX The NSX was at a pretty severe disadvantage at this track, not only given the lack of outright pace over 1 lap in qualy (Aderrrm found .8 disadvantage with the NSX vs. Lexus through his testing), but also because of the poor tire degradation of the car which made tire management much more crucial (in order to do 3 solid stints - 2 stopper) than on some of the other cars, especially given that the NSX is generally more loose/twitchy than the FR cars.

Just the fact that I put in a faster quali lap than you and Aderrrm says a lot about the NSX being off-pace at Laguna.
That should never happen

 

[Adam41]

Nice write up TA. I had hardly any practice for this race, apart from 5 or 6 flying laps in my NSX which my best was a 21.3. Was hoping for a mid or high 21 or quali, but only managed a 22 dead thanks to randomers constantly joining the room. Also did a few laps with the GT-R before the race and did a 20.5 I think. But that could easily go into the low 20s and high 19s. I'd say there was around a second difference here, tyre wear aside. But yeah I didn't realise how bad the NSX would be on low fuel.

 

[The Outlaw]

Just the fact that I put in a faster quali lap than you and Aderrrm says a lot about the NSX being off-pace at Laguna.
That should never happen

To an extent I guess Regardless, I (and I'm sure Aderrrm did as well) underperformed in qualy to a good degree though. Proof in that is that I was in Dennis room a few minutes before joining Room 2 for weight checks, and managed a 21.414 IIRC on my 4th warm up lap (which wasn't really an electrifying lap I would say). For the official qualy in our Room, I think I only managed about a 21.7 or there abouts which was pretty lack luster given I had 15 minutes to do roughly 11 laps with that much fuel burned off.

I'd say there was around a second difference here, tyre wear aside. But yeah I didn't realise how bad the NSX would be on low fuel.

Yea, I only got to about lap 29 as you know...but it certainly felt as though the rear was continually getting looser and looser as the fuel burned off I was even considering possibly splashing in a bit of fuel for my final stint to improve the balance. It's certainly a much more tricky car to drive and manage than the others, but at the same time more rewarding when you get things right.

 

[GV27]

Since the NSX seems to be better on high-speed tracks and I have the feeling I am better on high-speed tracks (I tend to struggle on Monaco, Laguna Seca, etc. but I did best on La Sarthe and Spa), I may actually test the NSX to see if it suits my driving style. If it did, maybe that's the extra motivation point I need. And if it doesn't suit me, at least I'll have more experience with GT500 machinery, so it's a win-win situation.

 

[SuperSic]

Congrats Nepalii and Noss.