Red-Zone Autoworks (Demonstration Car now out!)

[VTiRoj]

He wants you to make 2 settings for the AE86, one for drift and one for racing, I am guessing.

riverfiver: They way most tuner garages go is that if you review a car from them, you may request 1 setup for any car of your choosing. Its best you tune a car to TTL spec and review it before requesting a setup.

 

[Skygrasper550]

He wants you to make 2 settings for the AE86, one for drift and one for racing, I am guessing.

question is, which one?? there are 3 AE86's in the game..,

 

[Adamgp]

I was going to post last night but the forum was down.

My first thought when starting to compare the Evo & 'Stang at Citta 'di Aria was that the track choice seemed to favor the Evo more, very narrow and alot of turns.

Since getting a Mustang would be easy, I decided to start with the Evo, cycling through used car cycles until I found a Evo GT-A like yours, built it to your specs, and took it to Citta 'di Aria. Probably the track I hate the most in the game. I decided to make 10 laps in each car.

I noticed moderate amounts of understeer with the Evo, probably due to the awd. Other things I noticed were that it felt like a much bigger car than it actually was, not nearly as nimble and easy to turn and change direction as I expected from a small car like this. The other thing that hurt it was the turbo lag, there was hesitation when hitting the gas, but acceleration was good once the lag was gone. Brakes were pretty good. Overall a decent car in the right hands but didn't seem to suit my driving style.

Best lap: 1:38.011
Score: 7/10

Time to move on to the Mustang. I immediately noticed the massive wheelspin of this car, as the Evo with awd has a huge traction advantage. To try and even things out I set TCS at 3 on the Mustang.

This car seemed to have better balance than the Evo, although still minor understeer. It also seemed (to me) more nimble and willing to change direction. This is the part that suprised me as I was expecting the Mustang to be the more clumsy one of this pair. This paired with the acceleration advantage with the instant response from the V8 meant the Mustang felt much quicker and the stopwatch proved it. I also ran 10 laps without TCS just to compare times.

Best Lap (No TCS): 1:37.871
Best Lap (TCS=3): 1:35.641
Score: 9/10

 

[Spec M]

^ Wow thats a Suprising result.

Im sure the EVO could do better with a few tweaks, nice review though.

 

[Venari]

just checking.., Venari, you asked for a drift setup for a Aston Martin Vanquish?? i apologize if I am just going to do it now, been busy with my garage's theme and Red-Line..,

I did indeed. I'm looking forward to it.

 

[riverfiver]

frst two pics are toyota and honda. I lika the toyota 00. thanks

 

[Adamgp]

^ Wow thats a Suprising result.

Im sure the EVO could do better with a few tweaks, nice review though.

Thanks,

A driver that has more experience driving awd can probably post a better time with the Evo and close the gap between the two. I am far from a pro at that track so both times could probably be improved.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

I was going to post last night but the forum was down.

My first thought when starting to compare the Evo & 'Stang at Citta 'di Aria was that the track choice seemed to favor the Evo more, very narrow and alot of turns.

Since getting a Mustang would be easy, I decided to start with the Evo, cycling through used car cycles until I found a Evo GT-A like yours, built it to your specs, and took it to Citta 'di Aria. Probably the track I hate the most in the game. I decided to make 10 laps in each car.

I noticed moderate amounts of understeer with the Evo, probably due to the awd. Other things I noticed were that it felt like a much bigger car than it actually was, not nearly as nimble and easy to turn and change direction as I expected from a small car like this. The other thing that hurt it was the turbo lag, there was hesitation when hitting the gas, but acceleration was good once the lag was gone. Brakes were pretty good. Overall a decent car in the right hands but didn't seem to suit my driving style.

Best lap: 1:38.011
Score: 7/10

Time to move on to the Mustang. I immediately noticed the massive wheelspin of this car, as the Evo with awd has a huge traction advantage. To try and even things out I set TCS at 3 on the Mustang.

This car seemed to have better balance than the Evo, although still minor understeer. It also seemed (to me) more nimble and willing to change direction. This is the part that suprised me as I was expecting the Mustang to be the more clumsy one of this pair. This paired with the acceleration advantage with the instant response from the V8 meant the Mustang felt much quicker and the stopwatch proved it. I also ran 10 laps without TCS just to compare times.

Best Lap (No TCS): 1:37.871
Best Lap (TCS=3): 1:35.641
Score: 9/10

W00t, V8: 1, L4: 0.

 

[Adamgp]

W00t, V8: 1, L4: 0.

Haha, yeah. Score 1 for the good guys!👍

 

[Spec M]

Haha, yeah. Score 1 for the good guys!👍

+1 lol.., Represent!

 

[mustangGT90210]

first up for L4 vs V8:

L4 vs V8 01

== Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII GT-A (CT9A) ==
(372 hp)(340.96 ft.lb)

Parts List:

SP Exhaust
Racing Brakes
Brake Controller
Computer Chip
Close-Ratio Transmssion
TR Clutch
SR Flywheel
FC LSD
Carbon Driveshaft
Stage 1 Turbo
SP Intercooler
ORG Suspension
S3 Tires
Weight Reduction Stage 2
Rigidity Refresh
Rear Wing
Oil Change
Wheels (optional)

Parts Settings:

Suspension

Spring Rate : 4.0 / 4.5
Ride Height : 110 / 110
Shock Absorbers : 4 / 4
Camber : 1.6 / 0.6
Toe : 0 / 0
Stabilizer : 1 / 2

Downforce - 14 / 12

Brake Balance - 3 / 5

LSD
Initial: 10 / 10
Accel: 15 / 30
Decel: 5 / 15

VS​

== Ford Mustang GT ==
(375 hp)(398.53 ft.lb)

Parts List:

RC Exhaust
Racing Brakes
Brake Controller
Computer Chip
NA Stage 1
FC Transmission
TR Clutch
RC Flywheel
FC LSD
Carbon Driveshaft
RC Suspension
S3 Tires
Weight Reduction Stage 2
Rear Wing
Oil Change
Wheels (white 5-spoke)


Parts Settings:

Suspension

Spring Rate : 5.0 / 5.0
Ride Height : 110 / 110
Shock Bound : 3 / 4
Shock Rebound : 4 / 5
Camber : 1.8 / 0.2
Toe : 0 / 0
Stabilizer : 1 / 1

Transmission

Auto - 5
Final - 2.920
1st - 3.457
2nd - 2.517
3rd - 1.942
4th - 1.558
5th - 1.278
6th - 1.030

Downforce - 14 / 10

Brake Balance - 2 / 7

LSD
Initial: 15
Accel: 35
Decel: 10


First up for the L4 vs V8 battle is these two. Ah yes, classic rivalry; the Japanese Tuner against the American Muscle. The vroom of the L4 and the roar of the V8 will be all around the streets of Citta 'di Aria this time as these two battle for supremacy. Which will prevail?? The superb cornering of the Lan-Evo, or the outright acceleration of the Mustang?? That, will be up to you.

I like your idea, but Citta isn't exactly a fair match of the cars.

And where did the Evo GT-A come from? Do you have the NTSC versoin?

Big ass Ford V8: 1
Economical Mitsu I4: 0

Bring it home ford!

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I like your idea, but Citta isn't exactly a fair match of the cars.

And where did the Evo GT-A come from? Do you have the NTSC versoin?

Very Small In Displacement but giant physically Ford V8: 1
Economical Mitsu I4: 0

Bring it home ford!

Evo GT-A shows up used.

Quote fixed. The 4.6 is tiny. But takes up a lot of room.

 

[Skygrasper550]

I was going to post last night but the forum was down.

My first thought when starting to compare the Evo & 'Stang at Citta 'di Aria was that the track choice seemed to favor the Evo more, very narrow and alot of turns.

Since getting a Mustang would be easy, I decided to start with the Evo, cycling through used car cycles until I found a Evo GT-A like yours, built it to your specs, and took it to Citta 'di Aria. Probably the track I hate the most in the game. I decided to make 10 laps in each car.

I noticed moderate amounts of understeer with the Evo, probably due to the awd. Other things I noticed were that it felt like a much bigger car than it actually was, not nearly as nimble and easy to turn and change direction as I expected from a small car like this. The other thing that hurt it was the turbo lag, there was hesitation when hitting the gas, but acceleration was good once the lag was gone. Brakes were pretty good. Overall a decent car in the right hands but didn't seem to suit my driving style.

Best lap: 1:38.011
Score: 7/10

Time to move on to the Mustang. I immediately noticed the massive wheelspin of this car, as the Evo with awd has a huge traction advantage. To try and even things out I set TCS at 3 on the Mustang.

This car seemed to have better balance than the Evo, although still minor understeer. It also seemed (to me) more nimble and willing to change direction. This is the part that suprised me as I was expecting the Mustang to be the more clumsy one of this pair. This paired with the acceleration advantage with the instant response from the V8 meant the Mustang felt much quicker and the stopwatch proved it. I also ran 10 laps without TCS just to compare times.

Best Lap (No TCS): 1:37.871
Best Lap (TCS=3): 1:35.641
Score: 9/10

wow, thanks for the very nice review.., so now, you have 2 tune requests form me, since you reviewed 2 cars.., thanks again..,

W00t, V8: 1, L4: 0.

Haha, yeah. Score 1 for the good guys!👍

+1 lol.., Represent!

Big ass Ford V8: 1
Economical Mitsu I4: 0

Bring it home ford!

damn, i'm losing.., i have to admit, i liked the Mustang better, it was more willing to turn than the Evo, so yeah, V8 -1 , L4 - 0..,

Quote fixed. The 4.6 is tiny. But takes up a lot of room.

^say what?? :confused

@ Venari - one Aston Martin Vanquish drifter, coming up!

@ riverfiver - NO, test one of my cars first before you can request your AE86..,

@ everyone - what's this i keep noticing, GTP went down yesterday?? i didn't have time to surf the net yesterday so IDK..,

 

[Adamgp]

wow, thanks for the very nice review.., so now, you have 2 tune requests form me, since you reviewed 2 cars.., thanks again..,






damn, i'm losing.., i have to admit, i liked the Mustang better, it was more willing to turn than the Evo, so yeah, V8 -1 , L4 - 0..,

2 request cars huh? I'll have to find 2 cars I can't figure out and give them to you. I think it was the awd on the Evo that hurt it. Adding a VCD might have changed the results.

I think what Rotary Junkie meant to say is that the Ford SOHC 4.6 V8 has small displacement but is physically large, Ford's 4.6 is actually larger in size and heavier then GM's LSx V8's which have larger displacement. Thats the bad thing about overhead cams.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I think what Rotary Junkie meant to say is that the Ford SOHC 4.6 V8 has small displacement but is physically large, Ford's 4.6 is actually larger in size and heavier then GM's LSx V8's which have larger displacement. Thats the bad thing about overhead cams.

That would be correct.

Now imagine how packed the Cobra R's engine bay is. DOHC 5.4L. (5.4L has a taller deck height, 4-valve heads add width and a little height)

 

[EA11R]

Since when is a packed engine bay a bad thing?

 

[Spec M]

You guys are using the wrong EVO. The MR is the king

 

[Leonidae]

if you have to fix engine yourself. crowded enginebay is a major annoyance for me.

 

[Skygrasper550]

I think it was the awd on the Evo that hurt it. Adding a VCD might have changed the results.

oh dear..., *rushes back to check the setup of Evo VII *

I think what Rotary Junkie meant to say is that the Ford SOHC 4.6 V8 has small displacement but is physically large, Ford's 4.6 is actually larger in size and heavier then GM's LSx V8's which have larger displacement. Thats the bad thing about overhead cams.

oh i see..,

You guys are using the wrong EVO. The MR is the king

well, i wanted to use a Evo VII.., the Evo VIII MR is already a great car.., i wanted to see how far i can go with a Evo VII..,

 

[Skygrasper550]

== Lotus Esprit V8 '02 ==
(404 hp)(336.91 ft.lb)

Parts List:

RC Exhaust
Racing Brakes
FC Transmission
TR Clutch
RC Flywheel
FC LSD
RC Intercooler
RC Suspension
S3 Tires
Weight Reduction Stage 2
Rear Wing


Parts Settings:

Suspension

Spring Rate : 5.0 / 5.2
Ride Height : 114 / 114
Shock Bound : 4 / 3
Shock Rebound : 5 / 5
Camber : 1.7 / 0.3
Toe : 0 / 0
Stabilizer : 2 / 1

Transmission

Auto - 3
Final - 3.325
1st - 3.209
2nd - 2.241
3rd - 1.688
4th - 1.320
5th - 1.040

Downforce - 10 / 13

LSD
Initial: 15
Accel: 35
Decel: 20


The top-of-the-line model for the Esprits, this one is bigger and better than its predecessors. This car is great for open road thrills, but that's not the point. We want this car to run on tight mountain passes and not on open roads. So, we tuned it to our....liking... Since this car is heavy (a common thing for V8's ), we decided to reduce the weight. Some of the upholstery were removed and body panels replaced, and this had a dramatic effect on the car's performance. The clutch and flywheel were replaced for sharper engine response, and to give an extra kick, the exhaust and intercooler were also replaced with race-spec parts.

 

[Spec M]

^ Yeaaaa! I can't wait to see these results.
I've been working on an Esprit personally but I never considered turning it into an Elise killer.
I rooting for the V8 once again but if all shall fail I have an Esprit thats up for the challenge.

 

[Adamgp]

I'll give the Lotus duo a try probably tomorrow.

I'm putting some finishing touches on a group of cars for my garage, I'm also pretty sure I sold my Elise Type 72 so I need to win another.

 

[Skygrasper550]

a bit of correction on the Evo VII, i forgot to add the VCD.., stoopid stoopid stoopid ..,

@ Adamgp - sure, you're welcome to try them both..,

 

[EA11R]

If any, the MR2/Mustang duo would be the one I test. It seems really cool, and I like both cars very much. Please put it up!

 

[Adamgp]

I had workers doing a remodel in my house today, and haven't had much time for GT4. I won a new Elise 72, and built both cars but haven't had time to do any testing. Hopefully I'll have time tomorrow. I didn't have time to finish and post cars for my garage.

I agree with EA11R though, I'm most anxious to see the MR2/GT350R battle. Could you find two more different cars?

 

[Skygrasper550]

I had workers doing a remodel in my house today, and haven't had much time for GT4. I won a new Elise 72, and built both cars but haven't had time to do any testing. Hopefully I'll have time tomorrow. I didn't have time to finish and post cars for my garage.

sure, take your time..,

I agree with EA11R though, I'm most anxious to see the MR2/GT350R battle. Could you find two more different cars?

If any, the MR2/Mustang duo would be the one I test. It seems really cool, and I like both cars very much. Please put it up!

yes, the MR2/G.T.350 will be a very interesting and exciting battle..,

@ EA11R - while waiting, would you be so kind to try out some of my other cars?? the Golf V GTi, Sil-Eighty, Accord and Supra, haven't had any reviews.., if you don't feel like testing them, that's ok.., maybe tomorrow, i'll put up the last two..,

@ Venari - that Vanquish is giving me a headache but nevertheless, i shall come down to my last resort..,

 

[Venari]

@ Venari - that Vanquish is giving me a headache but nevertheless, i shall come down to my last resort..,

Twitchy, isn't it?

 

[Rockit]

TTL FD3S, a review:

The first car i had in gt4 that seemed extra ordinary was a black spirit r type a, i've been hooked on rotaries ever since.

Okay, after making the fd to TTL specs, i took the car out to costa de amalfi to do the ATM race, get a feel for the car, and make some extra cash. The first thing i find is understeer, alot more then i'm used to in an FD. but then as the turns clock by, i realize that if the cars weakness is turn entry, the cars strength is at the exit. I found that if you accelerate earlier , the ttl FD will suck into the turn, especially at lower speed turns like what abounds on costa de amalfi. after four laps on the mediteranean, i took the ttl FD out to trial mountain for a true flogging. What i found is that, at least with a DS2 driving style, the car isn't a drifter. it has good grip tendancies, and solid exit speeds, it was made to go through the apex at near full throttle, But it takes some very delicate braking and weight shifting to make it enter turns and hit lines. I also found a sweet spot right as you let of the brakes nearing the apex where you can gain a bit of front traction to help hit that entry vector.

In any case, after a good bit of getting used to it, i was able to click of a best lap of 1'34.3m a good time for a 350 hp car. I would personally add more front camber to help balance the car better, and a brake controller is needed, but overall it's a solid car.

 

[Adamgp]

Finished my review of the L4 vs V8 battle:

It took longer than I anticipated. My plan was to run 10 laps in each car like the last time, but ended up doing 20 laps in each car so I can get used to driving MR cars again. So I did 20 laps at Citta 'di Aria (Normal direction).

First up, the Elise. This car reminded me alot of driving the RUF Yellowbird. It had mild (but manageable) understeer on throttle but lift off the gas and the back end would want to come around. It had good power, some turbo lag but nice work on the gearing to help minimize the lag. Once the turbo spooled up this car was pretty darn quick, the bad thing about that is at high speeds (100mph+) it was hard to control. It felt like the car had some front end lift at high speeds. The brakes were lousy, probably a problem with the tune as there are more than a few cars in GT4 with lousy brakes (even with racing brakes installed).

An entertaining and challenging car to drive, but it was difficult to get a good clean lap out of this thing.

Best Lap: 1:38.754
Score: 7/10

The Espirit was also pretty darn quick. It had very nice power, but I felt the gearing could have been closer. This car felt much more stable and easier to drive, with mild understeer on some turns. It did suffer the same braking problems as the Elise but not quite as much. I suppose it was the extra weight that helped it to slow down better, although braking performance wasn't very good. (again, probably GT4's fault)

Definately alot easier to get a decent lap in this car.

Best Lap: 1:35.608
Score: 8.5/10

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Hah! V8: 2 L4: 0