For example fast forwarding B-Spec was not implemented due to people would use the convenience and not bother instructing the driver. (Yes I know B-Spec concept currently is rubbish).
It will still be useful for people to learn what they are doing wrong to get Gold and at least reward with say Bronze or Silver. Rewarding same with rewind will make it too tempting for most to use, so all the difficult challenges will be made much more easy for everyone as they will be able to attempt parts they mess up multiple times and then get rewarded the same as someone who doesn't use it.
I think it will be a good idea to make it more an incentive to not use rewind by limiting say to only Bronze or Silver in-game trophies. This will also make people who use it, drive without it after practicing with it on to get Gold.
It won't be ridiculous, just like using rewind invalidates laps as being a clean one regarding time trials in games that use it. Rewind is different to the other aids as it makes the event much easier if you have multiple attempts to try and nail parts of it. Should it be rewarded to the same? Well I don't think it should. In GT5 for example if they did have rewind feature and you are doing the special events, I think they should limit you to a certain trophy with it on than off. Gold standard will mean that bit more then. Imagine if games treated it equal in time trials, there would be uproar.
It will affect others though. Games are not designed to cater for one person so they have to be careful in implementation of such features.
Need to say that I agree with this. And to the people that are for a Rewind feature, don't take every word/thought he says LITERALLY or at face value; think about the broader spectrum of what he's talking about. You might have done it at first, but re-read, re-read.
Except that's not remotely the same thing. A time trial situation requires you to run perfect laps section after section to place high on the leaderboards of other people. In that situation, it is no different from if the game put an asterisk by a time for cutting corners, because you're not running perfect sections if you have to use it.
Should SRF? Because it is rewarded the same right now.
Thanks.
You will still be running perfect sections as you will have corrected everything but lets go back to offline and see also that incentives have been rewarded in games that have rewind kind of features like the first two Codemaster F1 games where if you wanted to get Platinum in the game, you would need to do Career on Expert mode which won't allow flashbacks. It makes the achievements in the games give a better feeling of achievement.
The way seasonal events are designed now, they try and make it super easy to get Gold anyway in most of them hence also inclusion of SRF. The expert ones ages a go if I recall correctly where hard at one stage due to no SRF and enough distance to front to make it a challenge. That is more in line with say the special events offline. It would make it less an achievement if there was a rewind feature enabled and got rewarded the same. It is all about balance to not alienate people who do challenge the traditional route and make it still worth while than people who might do it the rewind way.
Well that is how games are designed, they could easily implement features that make games a lot easier for people to get rewarded the same as someone doing it at top difficulty the hard way but they don't in general as it ruins the challenge. They could ban rewind for example in certain events then everyone will get rewarded the same and give event achievement more value or make use it but limit rewards which should retain same value of achievement for the top level in the game.
Except a Gold trophy is the same thing as saying you got first in the race as GT games have always been structured.
And this is supposed to rebut the fact that they don't penalize you in any way for SRF at any point in the game when they do let you use it (which is the majority of the time), or give you a bonus when you don't? Because they still don't do either thing.
Cool.
They don't?
No, they shouldn't limit anything for using it if they allow it to be used. Reward the players that don't use it so there is benefit for them to do so. This is how it is done in Forza, I gave a different example how to do it, and that's just two examples when there really is no end of bonuses that they could give for challenging yourself just like they do for the Performance Difference Adjustment. Don't punish the players that do use a feature when PD are the ones that let them use it. If PD don't want it used in a certain event, turn it off.
Your argument boils down entirely to lack of ability to keep yourself from doing something if you're even given the option, so everyone should be punished by making it so you can't personally abuse the game using it. It's literally no different from when people say others might abuse a livery editor so it shouldn't be included in the series; and it's a hypocritical argument besides since you just said "games are not catered to one person." It even gets meta, since people go so far as to claim rewind is against the "spirit of the series," just like has frequently been done with a livery editor.
And how would the option to use rewind decrease the realism in anyway? As long as it's not forced on, you haven't lost anything.
