Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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Reportedly - another photo of Azov batallion (found on some Polish forum):
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The leftmost guy... :lol:
 
MisterWhiskers
WTF is he an extremist? That's quite a large beard. And I love how the Nazi flag is next to the NATO flag. How do those to go together?
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NATO will support anything anti-Russian, even Nazi's. Kiev is full of Nazi sympathizers and they will be allowed by the west/NATO for as long as they are fighting eastern Ukranians (yes, Ukranians is who they are killing). It's like those fantasy moderate rebels in Syria.
 
VolkswagenX
NATO will support anything anti-Russian, even Nazi's. Kiev is full of Nazi sympathizers and they will be allowed by the west/NATO for as long as they are fighting eastern Ukranians (yes, Ukranians is who they are killing). It's like those fantasy moderate rebels in Syria.
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That's true. And I found this. Some Albanians are apparently fighting in Ukraine protecting the Donetsk Airport (some are loyal to Russia). There is a minority of Albanians because the Russian tsar allowed them to move in, kind of like a reward for fighting the Ottomans. But then again this is Wikipedia and they used a Serbian source... I am also surprised that the Chechens are helping the Russians. http://inserbia.info/today/2014/08/albanian-volunteers-fight-in-ukraine-against-pro-russian-forces/
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MisterWhiskers
I am also surprised that the Chechens are helping the Russians.View attachment 263456
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There's nothing surprising. Chechen Republic is a part of Russia, and the president of CR - Ramzan Kadyrov - openly sypathizes the Novorossian militia, and apparently he has inspired his people (he is admired by the overwhelming majority of the Chechen population) to help them.

However, some Chechens are fighting for Ukraine, too - some nationalists (or even Islamists) who have a tooth on RF, they are fighting in the "Jokhar Dudayev batallion" - named after the first leader of CRI (the separatists, Chechen Republic of Ichkeria - don't confuse with Chechen Republic). BTW, Kadyrov (along with his father, Ahmat) was on the CRI side during the first campaign, but then, Kadyrovs have defected to the federals.

Kinda long to explain the details... To understand it all, you should learn the history of the Chechen conflict (it's not simply "Chechens and Russians are enemies").

Also, there are reportedly some DPR volunteers from Poland, Spain, France (Unité Continentale), at least one from Germany, and even Brazil!
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^The right guy's name is Rafael Marques Lusvarghi, he's a guerrero from Brazil.
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/...ostukraine-neurussland-oder-tod-13186103.html (German)
 
How does it feel to be in bed and in league with Nazis? I wouldn't know, since it is an European problem. The US, having finished its business of creating a new failed state, is washing its hands of the problem and leaving it for the Germans and other Euros to solve. It feels so very good running around creating mischief and ignitiing fires, it's a wonder more people aren't doing it. Haw-haw, the joke is once again on you Euros! :P
 
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Dotini
How does it feel to be in bed and in league with Nazis? I wouldn't know, since it is an European problem. The US, having finished its business of creating a new failed state, is washing its hands of the problem and leaving it for the Germans and other Euros to solve. I feels so very good running around creating mischief and ignitiing fires, it's a wonder more people aren't doing it. Haw-haw, the joke is once again on you Euros! :P
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When did the US leave NATO?

The charge (without citation) is that NATO are happy to support Nazi's and the last time I checked the US were still very much a part of NATO.
 
Scaff
When did the US leave NATO?

The charge (without citation) is that NATO are happy to support Nazi's and the last time I checked the US were still very much a part of NATO.
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Once you have dealt with the Nazis in Ukraine, we will be very happy to annex Ukraine into NATO, draw the noose tighter on Russia, and work in earnest for regime change there. I look forward, drooling with glee, to that day. Join us in the glory of a New American Century. :drool:
 
Dotini
How does it feel to be in bed and in league with Nazis? I wouldn't know, since it is an European problem. The US, having finished its business of creating a new failed state, is washing its hands of the problem and leaving it for the Germans and other Euros to solve. It feels so very good running around creating mischief and ignitiing fires, it's a wonder more people aren't doing it. Haw-haw, the joke is once again on you Euros! :P
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I'm not sure if you're just trying to incite argument or if the facts have genuinely escaped you on this one? The USA remain part of NATO and remain host to a number of neo-Nazi organisations. I think that places you in league and in bed :)
 
TenEightyOne
And what are your feelings after reading this? I'm personally unsurprised that extremist guns-for-hire might make there way to conflict zones; that's always been the way. Or is there a wider point?
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It's still tough for me to understand how many armed organizations are there and who is controlling them.
 
The pro-EU parties in Moldova have narrowly won their election. ...How many Russians live in Moldova again?
 
Liquid
The pro-EU parties in Moldova have narrowly won their election. ...How many Russians live in Moldova again?
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About 201,000 (~6% of total population of Moldova) plus ~164,000 living in PMR (Pridnestrovian Moldovan Republic) aka Transnistria - a breakaway state de-facto independent from Moldova, where Russians are 30% of the population (along with 32% of Moldovans and 29% of Ukrainians). There was already a war in 1992, when Russians and Ukrainans were fighting on one side.
 
I asked family and friends about Putin and his wanting of expansion. My dad said that it is possible that Russia will go for Moldova because it's not in NATO.
 
MisterWhiskers
I asked family and friends about Putin and his wanting of expansion. My dad said that it is possible that Russia will go for Moldova because it's not in NATO.
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Maybe we could, but why would we want to? We don't invade everyone who is vulnerable. We don't wish to conquer the world. ;)
 
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TenEightyOne
What?
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He means, Russia has invented an entirely new concept of invasions - unmarked "Little Green Men" who appear from nowhere and take control on strategic objects quickly and clean, without a shot. No one knows how to confront them properly (they are unmarked - who to talk to?).

If the Ferguson riots go too far, we'll possibly see them in Alaska :lol:
Then, there'll be another referendum for reuniting of the historic Russian land. :D
 
Dotini
An amusing look at the terms and conditions of Ukrainian finances and energy supply. It would appear Russia has the upper hand.

http://russia-insider.com/en/ukrain...russia_outmanoeuvred_west_financially_ukraine
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Well based on your previous posts its irreverent, all the west had to do to really ensure its a failed state is let them default on it.

A quick dig into the background of the site and its linked blogs do also look more than a little biased.

Another perspective on its is that given that the Ukraine is now a different country (in terms of composition) than it was when teh bonds were issued puts the enforcability into doubt.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/04/ukraine-bonds-idUSL5N0R42NY20140904

Its worth noting that this is neither a surprise to the markets or as cut and dried as the original link suggests.
 
MisterWhiskers
I asked family and friends about Putin and his wanting of expansion. My dad said that it is possible that Russia will go for Moldova because it's not in NATO.
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It would be very difficult to take Moldova without occupying the entire Ukraine first. Moldova is very small, and it has no infrastructure that could support a long-term occupation.

The Russian occupation of eastern Ukraine is opportunistic. If it weren't for the turmoil in Kiev, it's unlikely Putin would have made a move on Crimea and Donetsk. Their entire operation is based on the idea that the population no longer want to be a part of Ukraine. There is none of that sentiment in Moldova, except in the Transnistria region. Moldova is the poorest country in Europe, and Transnistria its poorest region. There is no strategic or economic value for Russia, and without pro-Russian sentiment, any occupation would likely start a war.

For now, Putin seems content to dissuade Moldova from moving to the EU and/or NATO by putting economic sanctions on Chisinau. Moldova has a very small economy, and its primary export is wine. They actually produce really good wine, but without the Russian market, they can't get a foothold in the European market. So if Chisinau moves towards the EU, Putin can just put an embargo on Moldovan wine exports, and their economy stalls.
 

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