Sciaru BRZFRS (BreezeFrees)

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Blaze_409
Right now the car is more is too much chassis and not enough engine. Even with the narrow tires people say is still has too much grip.
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Where have I seen that formula work before? Oh yeah, MX-5 Miata.

If you want 300hp, call the company in the video above.
 
I think the Miata has a slightly different purpose than an FR-S. In my opinion the FR-S/BRZ should be frying bigger fish than a Miata. It looks like it has more power than it does. Very agressive styling. The Miata is "cute'sie" haha and doesn't exactly cream that it needs 400hp. I wouldn't want a Miata with 400hp but yes to an FR-S.
 
R1600Turbo
Why because one has a roof and one doesn't? That's really the only difference between the two.
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Ehh the Miata had a very round look that to me doesn't give a "It needs a loud, tire eating motor under under the hood" feeling yet the frs/brz, has the boxer motor which everyone relates to the Wrx UEL headers rumble. Having that motor I guess a lot of people think it should be producing Wrx HP numbers.
 
The styling has nothing to do with it. They are both lightweight, front engine, rear wheel drive, 2-door sports cars. Whether people like it or not, they are direct competitors.
 
I would hate a turbo in this car. Any kind of lag with throttle response would seriously undermine the car. All those 300+ HP builds are just random one-offs, meant as simple shop PR.
The market for non-muscle 300HP+ light coupes is even thinner than it is for 200HP light coupes. It's not happening w/o major economic recovery worldwide.

Extra 20-30HP from N/A power - I can dig that, preferably from OEM. Turbo would ruin the car's character for me.

P.S. Miata is a direct competitor. I personally cross-shopped it with PRHT MX5.
 
I wouldn't want a turbo. But I'll take an extra 50hp from a supercharger. Works for Nobu.
 
A twin screw blower would actually be pretty awesome for the BR-Z. I agree about turbocharging though, it would undermine the character of the car. I think turbos should be reserved for GT and Luxury cars, not sports cars.
 
dsgerbc
The market for non-muscle 300HP+ light coupes is even thinner than it is for 200HP light coupes. It's not happening w/o major economic recovery worldwide.
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Really? For under 30k? The BRZFRS is selling like hotcakes...


squirlybmx
Ehh the Miata had a very round look that to me doesn't give a "It needs a loud, tire eating motor under under the hood" feeling yet the frs/brz, has the boxer motor which everyone relates to the Wrx UEL headers rumble. Having that motor I guess a lot of people think it should be producing Wrx HP numbers.
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R1600Turbo
The styling has nothing to do with it. They are both lightweight, front engine, rear wheel drive, 2-door sports cars. Whether people like it or not, they are direct competitors.
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Ehh. I don't think the same question is being answered here. The styling of a Miata doesn't scream 400hp like the styling of an FR-S does. Ok Maybe the FR-S screams 300hp a little more than 400hp which may be overkill for the narrow tires. So I would say yes the styling has something to do with it( the concept of more power) but thats just my view of the FR-S. It might as well be a Supra in some afterlife. Brian O'Conner's next ride ;)

There are no suggestions that they are not competitors.
 
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Blaze_409
Really? For under 30k? The BRZFRS is selling like hotcakes...
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300+ HP won't be under 30k.
If it's ~35k, it's competing with used Porsches, NEW 370Zs, V6 Hyundais, GT Mustangs and such, and, hence, will also have to include a lot more luxuries to sell. I'm not yet convinced that even this car is a success, and a business case for a 300HP+ BRZ/FRS to me seems very weak.

Anything could be selling like hotcakes in the first year, a real success will be measured by subsequent sales. Don't get me wrong, I think that this car can maintain decent sales, if all else goes well in the world. Unfortunately not everything depends on the car itself. If the Eurozone blows up, people will be selling these used for under 20k in no time, and no one would be buying new ones either.
 
The BRZ looks like and is priced like a 250hp sports car. As it is, it should be 22ish instead of 28ish. But I understand the price given the demand.
 
Omnis
Nice. Wish they'd supercharge it or something right from the factory.

edit: Eww, it runs on E85. :(
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Blaze_409
Unless Toyota decides to build a new Supra the FR-S has just become the Toyota tuner car..Makes for good pictures. I think the car sits pretty low. Granted I am driving a land cruiser every day...Anything looks low. but the FR-S has an amazing look. They need a factory turbo package to give this thing 300hp and suddenly this car outsells everything and has enough pop. Right now the car is more is too much chassis and not enough engine. Even with the narrow tires people say is still has too much grip.
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R1600Turbo
Where have I seen that formula work before? Oh yeah, MX-5 Miata.

If you want 300hp, call the company in the video above.
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I'll be waiting for an Sti version to pop up in a year or two!
Turbo do you think an ej25/20 manifold would clear the subframe, or do you need to fabricate a new piece for the car?
 
^Last I heard, there are clearance issues. Some people are working on developing UEL header that would at least preserve HP.
 
I haven't "heard" anything about clearance but I'm not in a garage trying to do it. :(
That said, last time I opened the hood of an FRS I was blown away by the amount of room surrounding the engine. It seemed so open compared to some of the other sub 3 liter engine bays I've owned that I regretted not taking a picture while I had the hood open.
Btw, it also had great organization and I really got the impression it would be about 10X easier to change the oil in an FRS than it would be to change in my old Civic Si (FA5).
 
The AP header that we made for our car was a slightly modified one we pulled off the shelf for an 08+ WRX. Just had to relocate the flange that connects to the rest of the exhaust system. Was almost a direct bolt-on.
 
R1600Turbo
Pretty sure the one sold on the website is equal length, but they are made here in house and either can be made.
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I wonder if the power lost from installing UEL headers could be made up with some bolt on stuff and a solid tune. That'd really make this car perfect to me
 
squirlybmx
I wonder if the power lost from installing UEL headers could be made up with some bolt on stuff and a solid tune. That'd really make this car perfect to me
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Exactly my thoughts, I guess it all depends on your ultimate goals... If all you want is 300 WHP it shouldn't be an issue. But if you want to get the most out of it EL is the way to go, but it would be so awesome to get the "boxer rumble" on the BRZ/FRS!
 
squirlybmx
I wonder if the power lost from installing UEL headers could be made up with some bolt on stuff and a solid tune. That'd really make this car perfect to me
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Guys working on the UEL claim they'll be able to at least preserve stock HP.
 
Man i see a couple of em in downtown. The red they come in is SICK. there was one slammed on grey RPF1s and it's perfect. I'm getting kinda excited that they're growing in popularity, i seem to see a couple every other day
 
From Motor Trend's 2012 Best Driver's Car



Randy Pobst's Impressions:

On handling...
The balance is so good. I don't have to turn the steering wheel much and the balance doesn't change much through the corner, which is one of the things I really appreciate about the Subaru. I can enter the corner hard on the brakes, standing on the nose, and turn in. Yes, there's a little roll and no, there's not a lot of tire grip -- it's not a real strong, grippy tire -- but the balance is good through the entry phase. I add some power and it frees the car up a little bit. Just a little, right in the middle of the corner. After that, it just hooks up and drives off in beautiful shape. I can carry full cornering speed right to the exit. I know right where the car is going to go, right where it's going to be, so it's predictable. It's stable without understeer. That's a wonderful thing and I don't think that's easy to achieve.

On the brakes...
I had genuine brake fade, this was pad fade. The pedal was not soft. I could smell the brakes by the end of the second lap and by the third lap -- I did a third lap, too, partially just because I wanted to -- but I could feel clear fade. Firm pedal, but losing stopping grip, which is probably pad fade. I could smell the pads, too. Maybe they've never been that hot before.


On the engine...
The engine just doesn't want to be flogged all the way to redline -- it really doesn't. I'm shifting a couple hundred RPM below that. The engine is not the sweetest engine there is, but it has a broad power curve, makes it very usable. Needs more power. It wants it. I'd put more tire on it, too. I just like power. I don't really believe in that "this is enough power" theory, but power does really change a car's character. It's a lot more difficult, I think, to make cars handle well when they have more power. I think I would supercharge it so you don't lose that precision in the power delivery.

Overall...
Fabulous car! Oh my God! I mean, really just a wonderful and satisfying experience. I feel like I can just drive this car right on the edge of the friction circle. It reminds me a lot of my all-time favorites, the MX-5 -- first-gen, second-gen or third-gen. In some ways, it's actually better. It doesn't have the roll that the MX-5 has had all along. What a satisfying ride in terms of...everything.
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To be honest, I don't think anything in the 2.0L category is going to satisfy me after owning an FA5 Civic with the K20 engine. That was high rev bliss and probably my favorite FF owned or driven.

That said, I'm sure the appeal of the FRS will be able to over-come that little short coming. As of videos I've seen the 2.0L in the FRS isn't bad, it's just not vtec yo. :lol:
 

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