Should most (if not all) cars be unlocked in Arcade Mode?
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SrRd RacinG
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Arcade Mode should be seen as a holiday romance. Arcade Mode should beg you to take a Lamborghini Murcielago SV for a test run on The Ring. Arcade Mode should make your mouth water when you're reaching 200 MPH in a 458 Italia (in the cock-pit view). But Arcade Mode should always remind you that you'll never get the sense of owning any of these precious rides until you work you ass off for them in GT Mode. Arcade Mode is not GT Mode. It doesn't serve the same purpose.
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- Exorcet
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Fair enough, I could care less about owning them. But they should be unlocked. I'll say again, if working for cars is fun, then you should need to be worried about them being available from the start in some other mode. I still think that putting restrictions on arcade cannot be justified unless one just wants to force people to play their way. And that's not right.
Also, I ask, what is so good about working to obtain something? This is both in relation to "unimportant" things like GT and "important" real life things [with the latter being an atempt to spark the debate that never happened in my Morals and Opinions (or something like that) Thread].
SrRd RacinG
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I'd prefer most cars to be unlocked in Arcade Mode too. As for working hard to obtain things? Well, I think you could probably answer that on your own. If you're pensive enough to ask such a question, I think you're also smart enough to answer such a question. You must have had a moment in which you earned something through working hard (at some point in your life).
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- shawtyoner
Well said. Again, not everyone has the time to "work their ass off" in order to drive a car around a track for a few minutes. Remember guys, this is arcade mode, where all we are hoping for is to drive any car we want in base form around a particular track of our choosing. I agree that if you want the pleasure and the luxury of obtaining a particular car and modifying it to your hearts content, than that is definitely something that should only be reserved for someone who puts in the effort in GT mode. Now I'm not saying that I don't want to play GT mode, I am looking forward to it more than anything. But why should I have to wait 3 years in order to obtain a certain car when I could just easily go to arcade mode and enjoy it for a few.
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- mileret
Every time you have a free while, do races which bring you money for new cars, guys. And when you did it so many times, then you can just load your game position and take your hardly deserved Murcielago on the Ring, not earlier. That's what makes GT itself, so rewarding. This game was never for school pause players, they already got GT PSP.
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- Exorcet
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Well, that question of mine was more of an attempt to bring life to the other thread I mentioned, which doesn't seem to be happening, but the short of my opinion is, hard work is only enjoyable if the work itself is enjoyable. There is no joy from working. The notion that working hard will make you happy was invented by society so that people working overly hard might not feel depressed.
There can be joy from overcoming a challenge, or getting work out of the way though. It's slightly different, but may be lumped together with "the rewards of hard work" in people's minds.
Anyway, all of that makes me think that working for something (at least in GT) is not necessary for enjoyment.
ItsHim
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GT(4) is in many respects more perfect than life - and that contributes to the appeal of the game.
Same goes with GT mode - dedication and "hard work" is enough to get you filthy rich in order to be able to own every car you fancy (or there is in the game). It's yet another black and white aspect of the gameplay, because real life just doesn't work out that way for the most part.
So I can understand why maybe someone feels cheated if that ideal set of rules and moral is taken away by offering all cars in Arcade mode.
Even if you work very hard and very dedicated, there's no dividend in doing so. But that, unfortunately, is like real life is sometimes.
SrRd RacinG
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Personally, I think that for most people, arcade mode won't really matter (not everyone but I know it won't for me). Because thats not what Gran Turismo is about.
So for all i care make Arcade mode a big sandbox with all the parts and cars with unlimited possibilities. But I will not be spending any time there.
So for all i care make Arcade mode a big sandbox with all the parts and cars with unlimited possibilities. But I will not be spending any time there.
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I use arcade mod when I want to race on specific circuit with my favorite car. But I prefer GTmode 1000%
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- Greenlightning
Most if not all games work on the reward system. Rather it be all those tycoon games, sims, rock band, and so on and so on. If everything was available at the start you can rest assured that the life cycle of the game would drastically be reduced. Meaning the appeal of the game would be an instant rush that fades quickly over time. I do agree that the simulation (world) mode is long and sometimes very repetitive. Perhaps it would be better if all cars was available for purchase in the simulation mode. However the cars that would normally be prize cars would be available for purchase at say 2 to 4 times their normal value. Either that or at least allow all cars to be trade/sold amongst online users etc.
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- Exorcet
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Well, this thread is about arcade mode, you could still have the old GT mode if everything was open in arcade.
Besides that, I happen to disagree with your first statement. I believe that competition is what drives modern games, and rewards aren't necessary for that. But that only applies to online, so what about single player? Well, the focus of the game [GT] is driving, so I don't see why my driving should be limited. I've always had the most fun in GT games after I got everything. There was little fun in working for it. And in games where I have used codes, etc, to bypass unlocks, longevity never suffered. The first time I played MGS1, I used my cousin's save. He had everything unlocked. I played it for hours like that. Then I bought the game itself, and it was still fun. Unfortunately, the disk was lost at some point, but I'm planning on buying it again off PSN. I played it with and without unlocks, and everything was fine.
There was also Einhander, a fabulous game. I used gameshark to unlock all the super weapons, and getting 3/4 of them before ever finding them in game didn't spoil a thing.
I'd say that unlocks are really more fit for games with a heavy focus on story, but even then it's far from necessary. The whole point of a game is to play it, not collect things (unless it's a game about collecting things).
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I am the opposite, I suppose. I did buy a GT4 cheat disk to have unlimited money and buy all the cars for the sole purpose of having all the cars in Arcade mode. This was mainly for a day or two of a few hours of competition between me and a relative that was visiting. However ever since that decision to buy that cheat disk my time spent with GT4 was much less than before. Since doing race events to win money or prize cars was no longer needed. I will leave this topic on that note. GT4 did it right in regards to number of cars available in arcade for my taste.
Seismica
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We know where you stand on arcade mode cars being unlocked, but what about online? Should the online modes be connected to arcade or GT mode? Thats something that absolutely has to be connected to GT mode in some way, but then what does that mean for arcade mode? You can't deny arcade mode users of the online, but at the same time, there has to be something for GT mode players to work for.
But i disagree on your views about unlocking things. Its like using the weapon cheat for GTA, bham! it takes away half the point of the game.
SrRd RacinG
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If you want to race online with high-powered cars then you should have to go through GT Mode.
The only way Arcade Mode should be a direct means to the online world is if only certain cars are available from each manufacturer. And nothing too powerful. For example, if you go to Ford, you won't be able to choose a Ford GT, but an '08 Mustang will be there for you. If you go to Chevrolet, an '04 Z06 will be there, but not the newest Z06 or the ZR1. Something alone those lines. Or maybe Arcade Mode will have some missions, too.
The only way Arcade Mode should be a direct means to the online world is if only certain cars are available from each manufacturer. And nothing too powerful. For example, if you go to Ford, you won't be able to choose a Ford GT, but an '08 Mustang will be there for you. If you go to Chevrolet, an '04 Z06 will be there, but not the newest Z06 or the ZR1. Something alone those lines. Or maybe Arcade Mode will have some missions, too.
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I'd have online totally open as well. From what I see, those who like GT mode seems to like saving up money and possession. Fair enough, to each his own. But if's that the case, GT mode players shouldn't have trouble using only their own GT mode bought cars online (or just play online with everything, and go back to having limits in GT mode). Having fully open online and arcade does not prevent one form going through old fashioned GT mode.
And with unlocks, again to each his own. GTA has it right IMO, "cheats" mean you can play your way, and I can play mine (I personally have 0 interest in playing GTA without having instant access to all the cars and weapons, and just running around making a mess, the story play was never all that good, IMO.)
But, if the GT mode players will complain about that, I'd personally be fine with having GT mode locked if you had free online, and the only way to open it would be to pay, which I would never do. Online is more than enough to justify $60 for a game, and it's often the only/biggest justifier. But more generally, make some thing like prestige in CoD. You get some trophy or something for using only cars from your GT mode garage. I'm sure that since the GT mode guys like earning stuff and what not, they'll go for it.
Seismica
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If tuning is not possible in arcade mode then i would 100% agree that the online should be open. But if there is some sort of quick tune i think it should be incompatible.
If you want all the cars, download a gamesave or use a codebreaker or similar cheat. I hope GT keep the saves open to copying/sharing, because most games nowadays protect the game saves... For no reason i can pick out.
Yes, I do.
Otherwise people would jump into a Castrol Supra in arcade mode and complain afterwards how they have to drive a Toyota Yaris in a Sunday Cup in GT mode.
The whole idea of the GT series has been rewarding the player. Not just in GT Mode, but in the entire game. And I quite like that, it keeps me interested and it automatically sets goals for you.
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- shawtyoner
GT mode is there for that reason, arcade mode is there for another. It's there for pick up and play. If PD wants us to work for every car they can either get rid of arcade mode all together, or they can implement an unlockabe progression system like GT4, but they need to do it so that all cars are unlockable. Not just a few.
That's why some cars are already unlocked in arcade mode.
I'm not saying everyone has to like it, I just say I like it the way it is. It creates a difference between people who played the game extensively, and others who (only?) want the pick up and play option.
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- Exorcet
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Just for the record, I'm going on my 11th (?) year of GT1 (yes I still play it), when I play a GT (any GT), I like to take it seriously, tuning cars, trying new things, etc. I'd consider myself someone who plays extensively, not someone who just wants a pick up and play game.
And again, if you like GT mode so much, you can just avoid arcade. I noticed that your reasoning for keeping the status quo is solely based on the reactions people who are not you. You should not care, furthermore, you should not have any say in their experience of the game. It really bothers me how people think they can have sway over other people.
I know I don't have anything to say about how others should play/enjoy/experience GT5. And I'm not saying anything like that.
All I'm saying I like the GT experience as it is (and always has been).
And you're right actually. I rarely played arcade mode in GT4. Only when someone came over to play a multiplayer race
SrRd RacinG
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I think we're living in too busy a world now. I understand very well that some folks don't have that much time to dedicate to a video game. Remember, it is just a game at the end of the day. So I am inclined to think that many MORE cars will be unlocked in Arcade Mode. I mean, it would be pretty neat to take a Murcielago LP670-4SV on day one around Spa. That would be epic. But I don't know what PD has in store. I'm sure it'll all work out just fine.
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I do hope that MOST cars will be unlocked in Arcade mode from the initial start-up as I don't have the time these days to dedicate to a videogame like I used to be able to do.
If we start off with about 80% of the cars I would be happy, and in GT Mode the rest of the cars to unlock would either be really famous super cars, and rare special cars, as well as unique versions of cars that you'd have in Arcade Mode.
Of course customization will be a big incentive to play GT Mode as well, so I hope this is the case.
I hope I can boot up GT5 for the first time and take some classic American Muscle cars around my favorite fictional and real tracks, then super cars and exotics, le mans, F1, Nascar.. I'm not asking for all the cars and tracks to be unlocked from the start, just most of them.
If you are against that, you can ignore Arcade Mode and earn the cars in GT Mode and still feel the pride of earning them.. also I'm sure online races will have the option to make it GT Mode cars specifically, at least I'd think so.
If we start off with about 80% of the cars I would be happy, and in GT Mode the rest of the cars to unlock would either be really famous super cars, and rare special cars, as well as unique versions of cars that you'd have in Arcade Mode.
Of course customization will be a big incentive to play GT Mode as well, so I hope this is the case.
I hope I can boot up GT5 for the first time and take some classic American Muscle cars around my favorite fictional and real tracks, then super cars and exotics, le mans, F1, Nascar.. I'm not asking for all the cars and tracks to be unlocked from the start, just most of them.
If you are against that, you can ignore Arcade Mode and earn the cars in GT Mode and still feel the pride of earning them.. also I'm sure online races will have the option to make it GT Mode cars specifically, at least I'd think so.
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- Jump_Ace
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Imo, there should be no cars unlocked in Arcade Mode. I like the GT4 installment where you have to get it first in Sim Mode. However, I do think it would be a good thing if they got rid of the rotating used inventory, THAT is a waste of time. I would also fully expect us to be able to choose from every unlocked car in sim mode to race in arcade mode. Having to choose only 20 cars for LAN races is obsurd, ESPECIALLY now with the long wait, we'd better have it our cake and icing around our mouth 
Jerome
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I'd personally not see everything unlocked, as it adds an extra incentive to buy - win and unlock cars in GT mode. Arcade is basically a large sandbox mode, but there having everything in the sandbox available from the off seems somewhat objective-less.
