SimVibe (SimXperience)
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Yeah, BK gamer 2 could be easily attached >
but how would you attach > http://simxperience.com/Products/SimVibe/ButtKickerMiniLFESE.aspx without any modification?
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I really love Simvibe since the first day tested it.
The downside is that i hardly play any racegame that is not supported.
I would love to have support for Project Cars / WRC3
I think it will be some time before we see support for pCARS, SymProjects will make some great hardware for it down the line, such as rev burners etc ..
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So not much talk about Simvibe lads, come on...
I would like to hear more on your progress...
You know how it is when sometimes you begin to doubt yourself?
Well yesterday I put my mind to rest a little. Been a long winding road for me all this but having done testing starting over 2-3 years ago in how utilising a subwoofer increased the immersion on my Gamepod, then discovering tactile and getting involved with that. During the past couple of years I was doing some basic work comparing the differences or benefits to be had. I looked at taking the "home cinema" principle that each on their own (tactile shaker/subwoofer) has an impact to the felt bass, improving the audio immersion and felt effects.
FFWD 2012
The thing is a sub-woofer is not a proper alternative to a tactile unit, and a tactile unit is not a fully fledged alternative to a sub-woofer. They both have their own strengths in what they offer.
So when you combine a quality sub, with a quality tactile and importantly balance the audio to the appropriate volume what do you get? Well you get one heck of an experience. For me in the most recent tests the audio from the sub and the bass frequencies it produces above the tactile but with the low end grunt feel of the tactile work so well together. They may need their own set frequency response to optimise each but you get a much more believable tactile sensation with the added "audible bass" the sub-woofer produces which of course in turn makes the audio sound deeper, louder.
I would seriously recommend some of you guys experiment with this approach too and even consider what I have coming in looking into car subs with their own amplification (under seat type). These can be easily installed to a cockpit and you may discover that the additional audible yet still felt bass from a sub helps fill a gap the tactile and standard audio from speakers does not quite get or reach.
Of course for me much of this is an experimental project, fun kinda but so far things are looking like they are going to plan...
Here is the latest addition for testing...
I will probably go with a dual set of these (set horizontal) for the rear of the cockpit..
Pioneer TS-WX304T testing with Clarke Synthesis Platinum (under seat) = SERIOUS BASS
Buttkicker LFE is much more power hungry running upto 950watt on my amp but will create a lower/deeper tactile than the Platinum at maximum @ 400watt. The Platinium does however create more detail in the bass frequencies.
My new improved layout will require some large modifications to my previous work but will place my seat directly centre of 4x Buttkicker LFE tactile which will be combined with subs for the "Chassis" 4x Pioneer-TS-WX210A will be considered for this role, One is on order for testing.
Pioneer-TS-WX210A. 8" self powered sub-woofer
I have devised a plan to have four seperate "Tactile Tiers" each individually isolated to avoid tactile crosstalk mixing with other channels and to maximise the effects from each of the "Chassis Channel" directly to that corner of the seat. The ideal is to fully exploit the sensation of each wheel and produce a definitive directional tactile steering in how the car handling is always adjusting to the track and players inputs.
"Take It - To The Limit"
I would like to hear more on your progress...
You know how it is when sometimes you begin to doubt yourself?
Well yesterday I put my mind to rest a little. Been a long winding road for me all this but having done testing starting over 2-3 years ago in how utilising a subwoofer increased the immersion on my Gamepod, then discovering tactile and getting involved with that. During the past couple of years I was doing some basic work comparing the differences or benefits to be had. I looked at taking the "home cinema" principle that each on their own (tactile shaker/subwoofer) has an impact to the felt bass, improving the audio immersion and felt effects.
FFWD 2012
The thing is a sub-woofer is not a proper alternative to a tactile unit, and a tactile unit is not a fully fledged alternative to a sub-woofer. They both have their own strengths in what they offer.
So when you combine a quality sub, with a quality tactile and importantly balance the audio to the appropriate volume what do you get? Well you get one heck of an experience. For me in the most recent tests the audio from the sub and the bass frequencies it produces above the tactile but with the low end grunt feel of the tactile work so well together. They may need their own set frequency response to optimise each but you get a much more believable tactile sensation with the added "audible bass" the sub-woofer produces which of course in turn makes the audio sound deeper, louder.
I would seriously recommend some of you guys experiment with this approach too and even consider what I have coming in looking into car subs with their own amplification (under seat type). These can be easily installed to a cockpit and you may discover that the additional audible yet still felt bass from a sub helps fill a gap the tactile and standard audio from speakers does not quite get or reach.
Of course for me much of this is an experimental project, fun kinda but so far things are looking like they are going to plan...
Here is the latest addition for testing...
I will probably go with a dual set of these (set horizontal) for the rear of the cockpit..
Pioneer TS-WX304T testing with Clarke Synthesis Platinum (under seat) = SERIOUS BASS
Buttkicker LFE is much more power hungry running upto 950watt on my amp but will create a lower/deeper tactile than the Platinum at maximum @ 400watt. The Platinium does however create more detail in the bass frequencies.
My new improved layout will require some large modifications to my previous work but will place my seat directly centre of 4x Buttkicker LFE tactile which will be combined with subs for the "Chassis" 4x Pioneer-TS-WX210A will be considered for this role, One is on order for testing.
Pioneer-TS-WX210A. 8" self powered sub-woofer
I have devised a plan to have four seperate "Tactile Tiers" each individually isolated to avoid tactile crosstalk mixing with other channels and to maximise the effects from each of the "Chassis Channel" directly to that corner of the seat. The ideal is to fully exploit the sensation of each wheel and produce a definitive directional tactile steering in how the car handling is always adjusting to the track and players inputs.
"Take It - To The Limit"
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Need some help with SimVibe. I've been trying to get SimVibe to work properly and I'm almost there but for one small problem. I can't get the 'pedal extension' to work.
Here's my setup:
4 BK LFE mini SE - one on each corner
1 BK Gamer 2 on gearshift
1 Clark TST209 - under seat
1 Aura ASE-2B4 Bass Shaker Pro - on pedal
Amp is a Denon AVR 4810CI 9.1 Channel easily capable of handling 4 Ohms on each channel
Computer has three sound cards, one ASUS Xonar Phoebus ROG, one ASUS XONAR DG and the sound card on the motherboard. The Xonar Phoebus is used for audio, the sound card on my motherboard is used for 'chassis mode' and the Xonar DG is used for the extensions.
In Windows each of the sound cards being used for SimVibe has been set to various setting to test output. Right now the 'chassis' and 'extensions' sound cards are set to 'Quad'. I have tried using 5.1 and 7.1 settings on the 'extensions' card but it did not make a difference, always the same problem.
All connections have been checked and double checked and all are connected properly. The sound cards are connected to the amp via the 7.1 'Ext In' and the amp is setup for 7.1 Surround sound with each amp assigned to the proper channel input.
When tested individually each unit works but when running through SimVibe they don't. The 'Shifter' and 'Pedal' do not work properly.
In SimVibe when I check 'chassis' mode and click on each unit, each works as it should but when I go to check the units attached to the 'extensions' mode that is not the case.
In 'extension' mode this is what happens; click on the 'seat' and the Clark unit under the seat responds, click on 'shifter' and the Gamer 2 responds, click on 'pedals' and the 'pedal' unit does not respond but the shifter Gamer 2 unit responds.
To summarize, everything works as it should except for the extensions mode pedal channel. The extensions mode pedal signal is being combined with the extensions mode shifter signal on the shifter channel.
It appears that SimVibe is not sending any signal out the rear set of connections on the Xonar DG but instead sending the signal that should be going out the rear out through the front connections combined on the shifter channel.
Has anyone experienced this problem? Any suggestions on how to correct this situation?
Here's my setup:
4 BK LFE mini SE - one on each corner
1 BK Gamer 2 on gearshift
1 Clark TST209 - under seat
1 Aura ASE-2B4 Bass Shaker Pro - on pedal
Amp is a Denon AVR 4810CI 9.1 Channel easily capable of handling 4 Ohms on each channel
Computer has three sound cards, one ASUS Xonar Phoebus ROG, one ASUS XONAR DG and the sound card on the motherboard. The Xonar Phoebus is used for audio, the sound card on my motherboard is used for 'chassis mode' and the Xonar DG is used for the extensions.
In Windows each of the sound cards being used for SimVibe has been set to various setting to test output. Right now the 'chassis' and 'extensions' sound cards are set to 'Quad'. I have tried using 5.1 and 7.1 settings on the 'extensions' card but it did not make a difference, always the same problem.
All connections have been checked and double checked and all are connected properly. The sound cards are connected to the amp via the 7.1 'Ext In' and the amp is setup for 7.1 Surround sound with each amp assigned to the proper channel input.
When tested individually each unit works but when running through SimVibe they don't. The 'Shifter' and 'Pedal' do not work properly.
In SimVibe when I check 'chassis' mode and click on each unit, each works as it should but when I go to check the units attached to the 'extensions' mode that is not the case.
In 'extension' mode this is what happens; click on the 'seat' and the Clark unit under the seat responds, click on 'shifter' and the Gamer 2 responds, click on 'pedals' and the 'pedal' unit does not respond but the shifter Gamer 2 unit responds.
To summarize, everything works as it should except for the extensions mode pedal channel. The extensions mode pedal signal is being combined with the extensions mode shifter signal on the shifter channel.
It appears that SimVibe is not sending any signal out the rear set of connections on the Xonar DG but instead sending the signal that should be going out the rear out through the front connections combined on the shifter channel.
Has anyone experienced this problem? Any suggestions on how to correct this situation?
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Hi neoagent
I had a simular issue a couple of months ago and i spend days looking for the sollution.
In my case it was solved with fresh simvibe installation. In the setup menu you have to choose only one simvibe (chassis) mode instead of selecting both the chassis and extensions mode.
After you have completed the setup, you should create a game profile add some effects and test it.
Close simvibe, launch it again and add the second simvibe (extensions) mode in the control panel in simcommander.
That solved my issue.
I reported this months ago to simexperience, let me know if this works for you, if not try installing the extensions mode first
Hi neoagent
I had a simular issue a couple of months ago and i spend days looking for the sollution.
In my case it was solved with fresh simvibe installation. In the setup menu you have to choose only one simvibe (chassis) mode instead of selecting both the chassis and extensions mode.
After you have completed the setup, you should create a game profile add some effects and test it.
Close simvibe, launch it again and add the second simvibe (extensions) mode in the control panel in simcommander.
That solved my issue.
I reported this months ago to simexperience, let me know if this works for you, if not try installing the extensions mode first
Thanks for the info HoiHman but I've already solved my problem. I had posted this same info on the iRacing forum and nipzon advised me that he had had a problem using two Xonar DG cards. I'm not using two Xonar DG cards but I am using two Xonar cards (one DG and one Phoebus). I was just getting ready to swap out the Zonar DG card when I thought I'd try swapping the 'chassis' and 'extensions' modes to different cards (the one thing I had not done yet).
So I connected my 'chassis' mode to the Xonar DG card and changed my 'extensions' mode to the motherboard card. Adjusted each card in Windows (Quad for 'chassis' mode Xonar and 5.1 for the 'extensions' motherboard card).
Then I opened SimVibe and assigned the proper card to the proper mode, closed SimVibe, then reopened it and now everything is working as it should.
Thanks to nipzon and bvillersjr for their comments on iRacing and to you HoiHman for taking the time to offer assistance, it's really appreciated.
Update... Problem is back, I believe it may be from the use of two Xonar sound cards as nipzon has mentioned. I have a different brand sound card on order and it should be here Tuesday, once that is installed I'll see what happens.
Everything worked the other night but tonight I had the same problem as before. It was on the chassis mode where the Xonor DG is being used (looks like the Xonar DG may be the problem).
Everything worked the other night but tonight I had the same problem as before. It was on the chassis mode where the Xonor DG is being used (looks like the Xonar DG may be the problem).
NeoAgent....I had the exact same problem using two Xonar DGX cards, and I came to the same conclusion as you.
This was the previous update I posted in my build log:
So I returned one of the Xonars and ordered a cheap VIA Envy based card. I'm sad to report that I'm still having the same issue.
I don't believe it is a SimCommander3 problem though. If I do the speaker test in the Windows audio device configuration window, I get the same problem, sound is only produced by two channels. I still have more testing to do, I just got the new soundcard last night and didn't have much time to play. But I'll post an update here when I have one.
This was the previous update I posted in my build log:
So I returned one of the Xonars and ordered a cheap VIA Envy based card. I'm sad to report that I'm still having the same issue.
I don't believe it is a SimCommander3 problem though. If I do the speaker test in the Windows audio device configuration window, I get the same problem, sound is only produced by two channels. I still have more testing to do, I just got the new soundcard last night and didn't have much time to play. But I'll post an update here when I have one.
miahallen,
Thanks for the info, that is exactly what was happening to me. I'm really interested to hear your results with your new card. Are you running two or three sound cards?
I'm trying to run three, one of the Xonar cards for my main sound card for system sounds, the sound card on my motherboard for chassis mode and had tried using the other Xonar for expansion mode but will now be swapping that out for a Soundblaster card which will be arriving tomorrow. I'll have the new card installed tomorrow night and see what happens.
Let me know how yours works out.
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I have 2 Xonar PCI-e but different model (D2X and DX).
I bought the DX last week but i don't connected yet to Simvibe.
The D2X is connected to a Logitech 5.1 sounds speakers.
The onboard Realtek to a Buttkicker 2 gamer in extension mode (only seat)
The DX will be connected to SimVibe in Chassis mode.
In your opinion i will have the same problem even if the 2 xonar are different model?
Because if so i have to return the DX this week and buy another card :-(
I bought the DX last week but i don't connected yet to Simvibe.
The D2X is connected to a Logitech 5.1 sounds speakers.
The onboard Realtek to a Buttkicker 2 gamer in extension mode (only seat)
The DX will be connected to SimVibe in Chassis mode.
In your opinion i will have the same problem even if the 2 xonar are different model?
Because if so i have to return the DX this week and buy another card :-(
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I tried using two Xonar cards (Xonar Phoebus ROG and a XONAR DG) and can not get them to work together. I've ordered a Sound Blaster card which should arrive today. Once I get it installed I'll post my results if it works or if I still have the same problem. Two others have reported the same issue when running two Xonar cards, doesn't look good for using two Xonar cards with SimVibe.
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Ok.
This evening, if I can, I make some test.
However, in my opinion,if a software ($79) needs 2 Audio cards to work, must be specified that would be problems if the sound cards are the same. And the software house must test every possibility to avoid these problems.
at least there must be a list of compatible and tested sound cards.
And if you now buy another audio cards and the problem remain? You and me cannot try every combination to find a solution.
I agree, wish there was more information on sound cards, which work/which don't, and how to set everything up. Documentation is lacking on exactly how to set everything up, you get a vague overview at best. Is it best to use the motherboard sound card for your system audio or does it matter? Is it best to use sound cards by different manufacturers or does it matter?
I've tried to find answers on the SimXperience site but can find nothing relating to this issue.
Hey guys, good news....my amp appears to be the problem, not the soundcard(s) or software. Two of the channels on the amp I'm using for extensions mode appear to be dead...so don't loose hope.
If you're using two Asus cards, please make sure to review the steps I posted in post #372 as they might be helpful.
Now the bad news. When I try to use both chassis & extension mode at the same time, I'm getting stuttering in iRacing. Check the video below, its very apparent at 29-32 seconds
If I alt-tab out and disable extensions mode, then the stuttering goes away
If you're using two Asus cards, please make sure to review the steps I posted in post #372 as they might be helpful.
Now the bad news. When I try to use both chassis & extension mode at the same time, I'm getting stuttering in iRacing. Check the video below, its very apparent at 29-32 seconds
If I alt-tab out and disable extensions mode, then the stuttering goes away
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I think you helped with with some playseat triple screen ideas and you had a pretty crazy playseat setup. How are you mounting your transducers? I'm thinking about just drilling holes on the side and mounting them right to the thin metal that makes up the playseat base. I'm thinking that as thin as that metal is, it should really send vibrations right to the seat.
What kind of idea have you came up with?
bevo, I've got a new rig now, a FTS TC-R1, this give me plenty of options for mounting BKs. But if I was still using my Playseat I'd probably mount one on each side as you mentioned above. The other option I had with my Playseat was mounting transducers on each corner of the platform I had my Playseat setting on.
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Hey guys, good news....my amp appears to be the problem, not the soundcard(s) or software. Two of the channels on the amp I'm using for extensions mode appear to be dead...so don't loose hope.
If you're using two Asus cards, please make sure to review the steps I posted in post #372 as they might be helpful.
Now the bad news. When I try to use both chassis & extension mode at the same time, I'm getting stuttering in iRacing. Check the video below, its very apparent at 29-32 seconds
If I alt-tab out and disable extensions mode, then the stuttering goes away
Thanks for the news but i change the card anyway because the software don't recognize my D2X set as default audio but the DX.
Ok the same i want to buy. Please when you have the card, write here the results asap. Thanks a lot
venom666, received the card, installed it, set it up per SimVibe instructions and each BK worked in 'chassis mode' and 'extensions mode' in the SimVibe control center. However, when I tried to run iRacing from SimVibe it froze up. I rebooted and tried again and the same thing happened, iRacing froze up again. This time I rebooted and started iRacing normally from my browser and it worked (of course without BKs).
I then shut down iRacing and started SimVibe and tried to start iRacing again from SimVibe. This time it started although there is one part of booting into iRacing that it stops for a second and then continues.
Even though iRacing finally started I'm experiencing some problems which I'm not sure if are related to SimVibe or something else. I've got to try to narrow down what is causing the other issues I'm having (could be the location of one of my BK) but the sound card did work as it should in SimVibe control center.
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I would uninstall SimVibe and reinstall it, I think I read where Berney has told others with problems that this should be your first thing to try.
I had a problem with Aero peek and SimVibe. I'm not sure where the conflict was but there was a conflict.
I had a problem with Aero peek and SimVibe. I'm not sure where the conflict was but there was a conflict.
Ok, I just ran through some more test and everything appears to be working. Before I say for sure I'll wait until I have shutdown and restarted my system several times just to be sure. But, I did get everything to work, something I have not been able to do until now so it does appear that running two Xonar cards is a no no. Not sure about two cards of another brand but you might run into the same problem.
What I'm running now:
On board sound card for Chassis Mode
Sound Blaster SB1350 Recon3D PCIe for Extensions mode
ASUS Xonar Phoebus ROG for system sounds
Also fired up my GS-4 to run in conjunction with SimVibe and all worked very well. SimVibe definitely adds a great deal of immersion. Once you try it you will not want to run without it.
The other problem I was having earlier was my accelerator pedal would just go dead. I was not sure if it was related to SimVibe (didn't think so) or if the location of my BK on the pedal was causing the problem. It working fine now even though everything is just the same as before so I'm not sure what caused the problem, thinking maybe my wheel is going bad.
What I'm running now:
On board sound card for Chassis Mode
Sound Blaster SB1350 Recon3D PCIe for Extensions mode
ASUS Xonar Phoebus ROG for system sounds
Also fired up my GS-4 to run in conjunction with SimVibe and all worked very well. SimVibe definitely adds a great deal of immersion. Once you try it you will not want to run without it.
The other problem I was having earlier was my accelerator pedal would just go dead. I was not sure if it was related to SimVibe (didn't think so) or if the location of my BK on the pedal was causing the problem. It working fine now even though everything is just the same as before so I'm not sure what caused the problem, thinking maybe my wheel is going bad.
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