SO SICK OF THE GR4 MEGANES ACCELERATION!!!!

[Stotty]

I am not whinning in any way,when I post that certain parts of the game do not work.
BoP,penalty/rating system are currently not working as they should.
I guess you are using only those cars so you have no problem,am I right?

and don't come on here whining like a baby when you get beat.

This is fact,not whinning.Are you the owner of the site btw and make the rules?If not,then dont tell people what they can post or not.If they are not following forum rules report them.
But dont whine yourself about other people "whinning"...
BTW you made zero efford to answer my post:how is the FIA cups gonna work?Like an one maker racing league?
What if people dont want to pick the OP manufacturer?Should they skip those entirly just because you say so?

I've chosen not to race grp4 until they fix the FWD cars... if you don't like something, and you have a choice, the answer is simple enough... don't do it.

If you do choose to do something, knowing full well what the outcome will be, complaining afterwards because you don't like the outcome is just daft.

Everyone knows grp 4 is broken. It's already been well discussed, and it didn't happen yesterday. There have been multiple threads and discussions on it. Yet people insist on posting new threads like they've just discovered something new.

 

[JulesDennis]

I've chosen not to race grp4 until they fix the FWD cars... if you don't like something, and you have a choice, the answer is simple enough... don't do it.

If you do choose to do something, knowing full well what the outcome will be, complaining afterwards because you don't like the outcome is just daft.

Everyone knows grp 4 is broken. It's already been well discussed, and it didn't happen yesterday. There have been multiple threads and discussions on it. Yet people insist on posting new threads like they've just discovered something new.

People insist on posting new threads about old problems that PD seems not to see:
-Penalty/system rating
-BoP that does not work
seems to be the main themes.I am posting about those two from the closed Beta till now and I wont stop until they are addressed.If GTS does not have the competitive part working whats the point of logging into the game?
The 2 things GTS has is great graphics and "better" online system/matchmaking against other titles.If this does not work,GTS has zero value as a product.
BTW its not just GR4.GR3 is a mess too.And pretty much almost every official race is either GR3/GR4.
People should keep talking about those problems until they are addressed or sell their copy when they are tired of waiting for a fix.

 

[GTWelsh]

People insist on posting new threads about old problems that PD seems not to see:
-Penalty/system rating
-BoP that does not work
seems to be the main themes.I am posting about those two from the closed Beta till now and I wont stop until they are addressed.If GTS does not have the competitive part working whats the point of logging into the game?
The 2 things GTS has is great graphics and "better" online system/matchmaking against other titles.If this does not work,GTS has zero value as a product.
BTW its not just GR4.GR3 is a mess too.And pretty much almost every official race is either GR3/GR4.
People should keep talking about those problems until they are addressed or sell their copy when they are tired of waiting for a fix.

I've not seen Gr.3 being unbalanced much at all really, if they enabled setups it would fix the remaining issues like the Lambo being undrivable.

The Beetle, with BoP ON, is easy to drive and people class it as "the cheat car", but in my experience it's not "faster" at all. Same goes for the Mazda that I found easy to drive fast, but on the edge it's no faster than anything else.

I also tried to tame the hard to drive Lambo, I have made it easy (easier anyway) and I'm pulling times between 1.35.1 and 1.35.8 regularly at Dragon Trail. In what I thought was the worst car in the class

 

[Stotty]

People insist on posting new threads about old problems that PD seems not to see:
-Penalty/system rating
-BoP that does not work
seems to be the main themes.I am posting about those two from the closed Beta till now and I wont stop until they are addressed.If GTS does not have the competitive part working whats the point of logging into the game?
The 2 things GTS has is great graphics and "better" online system/matchmaking against other titles.If this does not work,GTS has zero value as a product.
BTW its not just GR4.GR3 is a mess too.And pretty much almost every official race is either GR3/GR4.
People should keep talking about those problems until they are addressed or sell their copy when they are tired of waiting for a fix.

Firstly, you state 'online system/matchmaking' doesn't work... as though this is a fact... it works perfectly well for me. As does the penalty system.

And there's nothing much wrong with grp 3... depending on the track, there are multiple competitive cars... RSR, RCZ were super competitive at Nurb GP... and you can add several more cars at tracks like Brands or Suzuka. Yes, some cars remain uncompetitive, but grp 3 is not a 2 car show down like grp4.

If you're so unhappy with the game why do you keep playing it?

 

[jesQuick]

An example of what exactly? You're not racing stock road cars, they are all subject to balance of performance changes - just like in real life racing. For example, the Viper GTS-R was restricted to 480-490 BHP to be able to compete in the GTLM class (compared to 640 BHP for the road car).

An example of poor balance of performance. Pretty much the reason for this thread...
Over/out

 

[eran0004]

Give me an example of that in Manufacturer's Cup.I mean 50% of those are GR4 races.How,using your logic,can anyone compete to those if he do not want to pick VW,Porsche or Renault?
By picking any of those three you are going to have an advantage in either GR3 or GR4.
Porsche is really strong in both classes.
Renault is king in GR4 and good enough in GR3.
VW has the second best car in GR4 and the best (in oval) GR3 that can be fast enough in other tracks too.
So people that dont want to race with those manufactures they should just ...skip the Manufacturers cup by your logic?And why?Because BoP is not working.Its not like there are "small" differences,we are talking about +5 sec differences in an under 2 min laps.

Won't the finals feature the best drivers from each brand though? If so, then it's actually harder to get anywhere in the tournament if you pick the popular brands.

 

[JulesDennis]

Firstly, you state 'online system/matchmaking' doesn't work... as though this is a fact... it works perfectly well for me. As does the penalty system.

There are super dirty people on the SR S rating.People get penalties because others hit them/put them off track.
From my point of view,this is a system that does not work.If this your idea of a system working then I dont know what to say.

And there's nothing much wrong with grp 3... depending on the track, there are multiple competitive cars... RSR, RCZ were super competitive at Nurb GP... and you can add several more cars at tracks like Brands or Suzuka. Yes, some cars remain uncompetitive, but grp 3 is not a 2 car show down like grp4.

Oval racing is all about the VW in GR3(from closed beta till now).The Porsche is always faster than anything else in almost every other track.But as you say GR3 is in a great place......

If you're so unhappy with the game why do you keep playing it?

I paid the same amount of money as anyone so I expect it to work as it should.If PD has a return policy,I'll send them my copy and get my money back.Since this is not possible,I expect them to fix the game's problems so that me and others can use their product as we should be able to do.

@eran0004 Nope,I dont think so.Its gonna be the top drivers in general,not top from every manufacturer.

 

[eran0004]

An example of poor balance of performance. Pretty much the reason for this thread...
Over/out

Okay, so if it was the other way around you would totally have posted this instead?

"Yeah, it's really not cool that a Viper is faster than a Megane. Wtf? (I know they can be, but not without them being drastically changed, weight, gearing etc compared to the Megane)"

 

[jesQuick]

Okay, so if it was the other way around you would totally have posted this instead?

Yes. It's poor balance of performance.
And I don't mind that you find the BOP spot on. I just disagree

 

[eran0004]

The BOP is spot on.

Those are your words, not mine.

 

[jesQuick]

Those are your words, not mine.

So why are you arguing?

 

[Matt368]

@eran0004

Just like the other thread you are very argumentative. Your opinion of the BOP situation seems to be that there is logic behind the Megane's performance, which I agree with to a point.

However, the Megane is too fast relative to the class it is designed to compete in! If a Viper got a good drive onto a straight in what world do you think it's logical that a Megane would just drive right by? Your logic is strange to me because you talk about the natural advantages of certain cars on certain tracks but don't seem to recognize the blatant fact that the BOP has not balanced anything as far as the Megane is concerned, it has created an advantage way above what would be considered normal for a BOP class.

 

[eran0004]

So why are you arguing?

Because the fact that one car is faster than another in accelerating out of the corners doesn't necessarily mean that the BoP is wrong. What matters is the overall performance, so arguments like "the Megane can overtake the Viper on the straights!!!" have very little importance. What's interesting is the lap times - and not just on a single track but on a variety of tracks. Because these cars are so different in shape, size, weight and power they are obviously going to have different strengths and weaknesses - even after BoP - that's just a consequence of physics.

If the Megane should be nerfed, it's because it's consistently producing better lap times than the competition - not because it's able to overtake the Viper on the straights.

@eran0004

Just like the other thread you are very argumentative. Your opinion of the BOP situation seems to be that there is logic behind the Megane's performance, which I agree with to a point.

However, the Megane is too fast relative to the class it is designed to compete in! If a Viper got a good drive onto a straight in what world do you think it's logical that a Megane would just drive right by? Your logic is strange to me because you talk about the natural advantages of certain cars on certain tracks but don't seem to recognize the blatant fact that the BOP has not balanced anything as far as the Megane is concerned, it has created an advantage way above what would be considered normal for a BOP class.

In the real world, for instance. It's not uncommon that certain cars have an advantage on the straights, especially not when they're derived from road cars and not purpose built for a specific class of racing. The problem is that people are focusing on the fact that it's a Viper that gets overtaken by a Megane. It's much more interesting to look at the lap times instead.

 

[Turbo Racer 48]

Has anyone tested RWD Viper etc against Megane after the 1.07 update which has apparently changed TCS handling on corner exit.

In terms of BOP adjustments we don't know the data PD are looking at and whether it might be more fundamental that includes fixing in a patch such as 1.07.

For instance did anyone notice the summary ratings on Mazda S Roadster changed upwards and it drives much better now post 1.06 ?

 

[jesQuick]

Because the fact that one car is faster than another in accelerating out of the corners doesn't necessarily mean that the BoP is wrong. What matters is the overall performance, so arguments like "the Megane can overtake the Viper on the straights!!!" have very little importance. What's interesting is the lap times - and not just on a single track but on a variety of tracks. Because these cars are so different in shape, size, weight and power they are obviously going to have different strengths and weaknesses - even after BoP - that's just a consequence of physics.

If the Megane should be nerfed, it's because it's consistently producing better lap times than the competition - not because it's able to overtake the Viper on the straights.



In the real world, for instance. It's not uncommon that certain cars have an advantage on the straights, especially not when they're derived from road cars and not purpose built for a specific class of racing. The problem is that people are focusing on the fact that it's a Viper that gets overtaken by a Megane. It's much more interesting to look at the lap times instead.

All that, for this? You completely agree but wanted me to use some other words?! Lap times and a car being faster is, I gues, more or less the same? In the end the car being overtaken will have a slower lap time, right?
I know you are very clever about the racing industry and you know many many things, but please remind me never to discuss anything with you again. Because a discussion like this sucks. Lol.
Bye bye.

 

[VXR]

It's a restricted Viper, against a free flowing, upgraded Megane. It wouldn't surprise me if the Megane were quicker, it isn't being restricted.

 

[stevenhiggster]

Firstly, you state 'online system/matchmaking' doesn't work... as though this is a fact... it works perfectly well for me. As does the penalty system.

You sure you're playing the same game as the rest of us

 

[Matt368]

In the real world, for instance. It's not uncommon that certain cars have an advantage on the straights, especially not when they're derived from road cars and not purpose built for a specific class of racing. The problem is that people are focusing on the fact that it's a Viper that gets overtaken by a Megane. It's much more interesting to look at the lap times instead.

Yes, and I agree with you that all cars (especially production based race cars) will always have traits inherent to their design (layout, engine config, weight etc etc) that will give them either an advantage or disadvantage. Why then would it not be correct to smell a rat if a Megane is significantly quicker than a Viper in an area where the Viper has the clear natural advantage?

If the BOP was adjusted to reduce the Megane's power slightly, then it would still have it's natural advantage of lower weight as you would expect but not be able to power past cars that have their own natural advantage in that area.

The laptimes you mention because its all about the performance over a full lap rather than a specific area? Well that would still be the case if you removed the speed advantage of the Megane because it would still be lighter than a Viper but the performance of the two would be closer (read: Balanced)

 

[Stotty]

You sure you're playing the same game as the rest of us

Yep, and I'm absolutely loving it.

But i'm very I'm selective about when and where I race - avoiding anything I think will be a crash fest (Ovals, Tokyo in particular) and grp4 while FWD is the only way to compete (though I did beat a grid of them at Suzuka last Friday evening in a Vette). I also avoid the FIA events as I believe the way they are set up causes them to also be crash fests.

When I do race, I get matched with fast, clean drivers (16 brilliant grp3 races back to back on Sunday).

Having said that, I have seen race videos from people in the lower DR & SR levels that looked completely different to my experience - it was more like car pinball than racing... and I think myself very lucky I'm fast enough not to have to race with people who drive like that

I think most at my level (and above) are having a decent experience on-line.

 

[cleanLX]

Horses for courses is a great real world example, however the Megane and Scirocco are setting top 10 positions on every track in the game.
That is not longer a case of Horses for Courses, so that argument does not apply to the game at this point in time with regard to the Megane and Scirocco.

What erks me is that neither the Megane or Scirocco has been homologated for GT4... yet are allowed to dominate... on all courses.
The Ferrari is not homologated for GT4 either, but, at least it is not dominate at anything much less any course... so it doesn't bother me so much...
And, if I'm honest, I like it, so, I'm biased I guess.

 

[eran0004]

All that, for this? You completely agree but wanted me to use some other words?! Lap times and a car being faster is, I gues, more or less the same? In the end the car being overtaken will have a slower lap time, right?
I know you are very clever about the racing industry and you know many many things, but please remind me never to discuss anything with you again. Because a discussion like this sucks. Lol.
Bye bye.

No, a car being overtaken is not the same thing as a car having a slower lap. It just means that the car was slower at that specific point. The lap time is a measure of the entire lap.

Yes, and I agree with you that all cars (especially production based race cars) will always have traits inherent to their design (layout, engine config, weight etc etc) that will give them either an advantage or disadvantage. Why then would it not be correct to smell a rat if a Megane is significantly quicker than a Viper in an area where the Viper has the clear natural advantage?

If the BOP was adjusted to reduce the Megane's power slightly, then it would still have it's natural advantage of lower weight as you would expect but not be able to power past cars that have their own natural advantage in that area.

The laptimes you mention because its all about the performance over a full lap rather than a specific area? Well that would still be the case if you removed the speed advantage of the Megane because it would still be lighter than a Viper but the performance of the two would be closer (read: Balanced)

The Viper doesn't have a natural advantage in acceleration. It needs to carry a much heavier engine than the Megane, so the power to weight ratio is actually slightly worse. It does have more power than the Megane though, so the performance should be better at higher speeds, where aerodynamic drag play a bigger role.

 

[Tidgney]

I make it my goal to beat the rest in the odd one out car ! Before the last BoP changes I chose PUG as my manufacturer for the fun of it as I hadn't seen 1 single RCZ and I was having a fight for the win at Suzuka vs Porsche and Porsche was a bit to quick on straights, 1.06 came (Somewhat weirdly, as I said in the race I needed 1% more power) and the perfect BoP change and now it's pretty even (Think Porsche is tiny bit better but that's at the point now where they are even and 1 will always be slightly stronger than the other).

I do find the FWD races more of a crash fest though, as people don't understand that if you put your foot down you under steer. Had 1 guy do that to me and then blame me for giving him room on the inside as he just had the overlap? I asked on twitter though if I was actually going insane with the video, turned out I wasn't.

I do what @Stotty does to be honest, I'll try an event if I don't like it I won't do it. My general rule of thumb is can I make a top 10 time? If yes I'll probably compete in it (Although I'm very wary of Ovals especially as it's a crash fest). If not I won't race unless it's a super varied field like 3/4 different cars in top 10 which you experience a lot in group 3 in my honest opinion (I love Group 3 Manufacturer races for their variety)!

 

[NommyNom]

considering these cars in game max out around 175mph and the megane is still pulling away at 140mph speeds, not sure how much more room the viper needs to "catch up".

 

[Stotty]

I make it my goal to beat the rest in the odd one out car ! Before the last BoP changes I chose PUG as my manufacturer for the fun of it as I hadn't seen 1 single RCZ and I was having a fight for the win at Suzuka vs Porsche and Porsche was a bit to quick on straights, 1.06 came (Somewhat weirdly, as I said in the race I needed 1% more power) and the perfect BoP change and now it's pretty even (Think Porsche is tiny bit better but that's at the point now where they are even and 1 will always be slightly stronger than the other).

I do find the FWD races more of a crash fest though, as people don't understand that if you put your foot down you under steer. Had 1 guy do that to me and then blame me for giving him room on the inside as he just had the overlap? I asked on twitter though if I was actually going insane with the video, turned out I wasn't.

I do what @Stotty does to be honest, I'll try an event if I don't like it I won't do it. My general rule of thumb is can I make a top 10 time? If yes I'll probably compete in it (Although I'm very wary of Ovals especially as it's a crash fest). If not I won't race unless it's a super varied field like 3/4 different cars in top 10 which you experience a lot in group 3 in my honest opinion (I love Group 3 Manufacturer races for their variety)!

Spot on 👍

I'm not as fast as you... my benchmark is 'can I get to within a second or so of the top qualifier on well populated board?'... if I can't, I don't bother racing. I know a lot of the top names now, and most of the time I can differentiate between 'very fast' and 'true alien'... so I'm pretty confident I know where I stand most of the time.

In my 1 race in a Vette at Suzuka vs Megane/Scirocco I never let them get on the inside of me... as soon as they jump on the gas they are going to drift wide and hit you... But if you hold the inside, not only do you avoid this, but you also force the FWD to delay getting on the gas (as if they do, they'll just understeer off track), and you get the advantage of a much better exit... which in my case, enabled me to defend successfully and take a win.

 

[Sloppy Shades]

All they need to do to fix this is stop being nannies to the community and let us tune our cars in BoP like you can in lobbies and time trial. Oh the joy you would see on my face when I pass all those FWD sheep with my wolf-like corner matched gear ratios... For example..