Something Just DOESNT Quite Add up...

[II IVORBIGUN II]

I too think that PD bit more than the could chew. They wasted too much time on special events like the Citroen Concept, GT PSP game, and even the display on the Nissan GTR R35 real life car. When FM3 showed it's game at E3 they panicked, because let's face it, none of us believed that FM3 would be this good. Now they're facing a struggling battle to try and release GT5 as soon as possible to meet the competition, which basically, is winning.

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Sorry but what a load of rubbish. You are making many assumptions based on no facts whatsoever. How do you know PD panicked? How do you know how good FM3 will be, have you played it? How can the competition be winning when both games haven't been released!!

If anyone is panicking over the competition then its Turn 10. Why do you think they mentioned their competitors so much at E3? Why did the community manager of Turn 10 try and bribe the community in a meaningless poll? Why is it anyone who posts about GT5 on the forza forums gets their post removed with the threat of a ban?

One argument I get sick and tired of reading is when I hear fanboys laughing at the length of the GT5 development and how Turn 10 have released Forza 1,2,3 in a short space of time. Well there is a reason for this because although the Forza franchise is excellent fun it lacks the polish of the GT franchise. I couldn't give a monkeys how long a game takes to develop because its the end product that counts.

Besides all of this since GT4 we have seen GTHD, GT5 prologue, GT PSP. So it isn't as though PD have sat around doing nothing.

So instead of making assumptions based on no facts lets wait and see what PD announce at TGS.

Just add anyone find it strange coincidence why the FM3 demo is appearing on the 24th Sep. Very odd that a demo appears one month before release and I believe MS/Turn 10 are releasing this demo to steal PD thunder at TGS.

 

[Nomino]

Besides all of this since GT4 we have seen GTHD, GT5 prologue, GT PSP. So it isn't as though PD have sat around doing nothing.

GTHT and GT5P were effectively "zero effort" releases on the path to producing the full game. GT PSP was largely handled by a different team.

 

[FatLeadFoot]

What if I hit you?

You'd have to catch him first.

 

[desperado]

Just add anyone find it strange coincidence why the FM3 demo is appearing on the 24th Sep. Very odd that a demo appears one month before release and I believe MS/Turn 10 are releasing this demo to steal PD thunder at TGS.

Not strange at all, of course Turn 10 will be trying to steal as much of PDs thunder as possible. They and xbox are still the new kids on the block and therefore have to make as much noise as possible to get themselves wider recognition. PD could release GT5 without a single ad and still sell millions. However I don't really see how this can be seen as a negative against T10 or Forza 3, they are just trying to get their product as much exposure as possible!

 

[Cobra_NZ]

...1)Lack of online? Have you played GT5P? Some of the most competitive online racing I have ever competed in. Including anything I have played on my old XBOX.

2)Release expectations are just that, expectations made up by game stores or online gaming sites. They are not confirmed dates that keep getting delayed, so I don't see a problem with it.

3)Scrambling? Hardly. As much as he has been traveling around lately to automotive shows, etc. My guess is that he's already looking for ideas for DLC.

4)I'm sure in his eyes he has no competition.

I was referring to GT4 online but you took it out of context. Shocker!

Release expectation that were actually confirmed by him in numerous interviews, first he said 2007, then 2008 and now...

And yes he has no eyes for competition in the console driving genre and fans wishes. That blind sided attitude has made the GT franchise stagnate for nearly a decade. All the above just shown you haven't got much of a clue about the history of the GT franchise.

I don't. Want to set up a race online? There are many people on here and the PS forums that can vouch for my driving skills.

I honestly think GT5 is the last one. It can be constantly updated with DLC, no need to create another game for quite a while. Plus, Kaz has stated that he would like to move on to other things.

With a comment like that about your racing skills it's a wonder you don't want damage in the game so all the other drivers on the track, that are not as perfect as you are, can pay for their mistakes. But then I've already figured out by your last 3 posts just how full of hot air you are too,

Oh, and I bet he's thinking about moving away from the GT franchise, he's milked it for all it was worth and his last few years haven't exactly been a success!

If you're the game developer, why not? Obviously Sony trusts him enough to release one hell of a game to let him take as long as he wants. For every impatient fan that gets tired of waiting and switches, when the game is released he will pick up two in their place.

GT4, for all it's more than 4 years in development, exponentially more PS2 consoles on the market, and more time for GT franchise to expand, sold less copies than GT3, a game that was released shortly after the PS2 was on the market! But if you knew any of this you'd probably not talk such wet...

GT5P only sold well because of all the silly punters that bought PS3 consoles on hot air promises by KY of GT5 in 2007. The poor sad moppets had to make do with a glorified demo, which they had to pay for. How about PSP? How many people bought that hand held console to play GT PSP and never saw the thing until now. Sony trust him because he's as blind sided as they are, actually I think they're more desperate than trusting, to try and shift more PS3 consoles with GT5 and at this point, with the money they invested in him I bet they're more than a little anxious.

 

[JakeCourtney]

Sorry but what a load of rubbish. You are making many assumptions based on no facts whatsoever. How do you know PD panicked? How do you know how good FM3 will be, have you played it? How can the competition be winning when both games haven't been released!!

If anyone is panicking over the competition then its Turn 10. Why do you think they mentioned their competitors so much at E3? Why did the community manager of Turn 10 try and bribe the community in a meaningless poll? Why is it anyone who posts about GT5 on the forza forums gets their post removed with the threat of a ban?

One argument I get sick and tired of reading is when I hear fanboys laughing at the length of the GT5 development and how Turn 10 have released Forza 1,2,3 in a short space of time. Well there is a reason for this because although the Forza franchise is excellent fun it lacks the polish of the GT franchise. I couldn't give a monkeys how long a game takes to develop because its the end product that counts.

Besides all of this since GT4 we have seen GTHD, GT5 prologue, GT PSP. So it isn't as though PD have sat around doing nothing.

So instead of making assumptions based on no facts lets wait and see what PD announce at TGS.

Just add anyone find it strange coincidence why the FM3 demo is appearing on the 24th Sep. Very odd that a demo appears one month before release and I believe MS/Turn 10 are releasing this demo to steal PD thunder at TGS.

It's going to work too cause I'm going to be all over that demo for the next 30 days.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

GTHT and GT5P were effectively "zero effort" releases on the path to producing the full game. by a different team.

Yes im sure your right GTHD, GT5P took zero effort. They probably produced these over a weekend.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

It's going to work too cause I'm going to be all over that demo for the next 30 days.

Don't get me wrong im certainly looking forward to the demo and shall download it as soon as it arrives on the marketplace.

However I can guarantee I shall be staying up on Wed night to catch all the TGS info. I doubt the FM3 demo will take the attention away from GT5. I bet the whole gaming world will be buzzing after TGS.

Still I need something to turn my attention on after unfortunately buying NFS Shift. What a crap game!!

 

[JakeCourtney]

Don't get me wrong im certainly looking forward to the demo and shall download it as soon as it arrives on the marketplace.

However I can guarantee I shall be staying up on Wed night to catch all the TGS info. I doubt the FM3 demo will take the attention away from GT5. I bet the whole gaming world will be buzzing after TGS.

Still I need something to turn my attention on after unfortunately buying NFS Shift. What a crap game!!

Yeah, I'm a sucker for information so I know I'll be wading the forums for any released information. I hope more good news than bad.

 

[FatLeadFoot]

With a comment like that about your racing skills it's a wonder you don't want damage int he game so all the other drivers on the track that are not as perfect as you are can pay for their mistakes. But then I've already figured out by your last 3 posts just how full of hot air you are too,
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I'll vouch for Turbo, he's got skills. Why is it so hard for people to believe you can't run a race without hitting someone or something unless of course you're a punter or you just plain suck.

 

[Cobra_NZ]

Sorry but what a load of rubbish. You are making many assumptions based on no facts whatsoever. How do you know PD panicked? How do you know how good FM3 will be, have you played it? How can the competition be winning when both games haven't been released!!

If anyone is panicking over the competition then its Turn 10. Why do you think they mentioned their competitors so much at E3? Why did the community manager of Turn 10 try and bribe the community in a meaningless poll? Why is it anyone who posts about GT5 on the forza forums gets their post removed with the threat of a ban?

One argument I get sick and tired of reading is when I hear fanboys laughing at the length of the GT5 development and how Turn 10 have released Forza 1,2,3 in a short space of time. Well there is a reason for this because although the Forza franchise is excellent fun it lacks the polish of the GT franchise. I couldn't give a monkeys how long a game takes to develop because its the end product that counts.

Besides all of this since GT4 we have seen GTHD, GT5 prologue, GT PSP. So it isn't as though PD have sat around doing nothing.

So instead of making assumptions based on no facts lets wait and see what PD announce at TGS.

Just add anyone find it strange coincidence why the FM3 demo is appearing on the 24th Sep. Very odd that a demo appears one month before release and I believe MS/Turn 10 are releasing this demo to steal PD thunder at TGS.

I know and have seen a lot more of FM3 than I've seen of GT5.

You couldn't give a monkeys how long a game takes to develop? I've had a little daughter who is over 3 years old, I'm married now, I've emigrated to NZ and started a successful small IT business and a different career, quit smoking, got a black belt in Tae Kwon Do, and my parents moved to US since GT4 was released. I have about a tenth of the time I once had to play console games and I own a very fast car that I take on the track and spend quite a bit of time tuning and maintaining. I wish I could go back to the days when I had all the time in the world to play computer games, but that was nearly 5 years ago! So yes it does matter how long a game takes to develop, perhaps not for you, but one day you may be in my shoes and understand...

Nobody said PD or indeed KY sat around doing nothing, they just haven't done anything special.

I made no real assumptions on GT5, just opinions on how it might turn out, stating it was my opinion and not fact and only two ways of the many ways it could go. Read my post properly before you make all the assumptions you just moaned about with regards to it.💡 Best one was how quickly you went for fanboy aberrations, when you don't know a thing about me, usually a great sign of intellect. That was sarcasm by the way, in case you make the assumption I think you're some kind of posting genius.

 

[FatLeadFoot]

Someone needs to get over themselves.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

I




GT4, for all it's more than 4 years in development,exponentially more PS2 consoles on the market, and more time for GT franchise to expand, sold less copies than GT3, a game that was released shortly after the PS2 was on the market! But if you knew any of this you'd probably not talk such wet...

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The sales of GT4 increased in Europe compared to GT3. However in the US this dropped by 4 million and the reason for this is called Halo 2. Obviously its very well known that in the US the most popular gaming genre is FPS rather than racing games.

Still GT4 having sold 13 million copies is hardly a disaster. The kind of sales Turn 10 can only dream of!!

 

[Cobra_NZ]

I'll vouch for Turbo, he's got skills. Why is it so hard for people to believe you can't run a race without hitting someone or something unless of course you're a punter or you just plain suck.

I would go through dozens of online races in one day FM2 driving near perfect races. I am a very good driver, yet, I loved the damage aspect. When I ran my room it was always set on simulation, no helping line or TCS or STM. I even allowed drivers to have ABS and loved to see the over aggressive or unskilled drivers peel off the track, take each other out and change their attitude after a couple of races. And in FM2 what they always ask for as soon as they played the first race? "Please turn the damage off! Please put the aids back on!" I would always say no and the ones that stayed always came back because they liked the clean racing and the level of skill.

I've also played a lot of GT5P and guess what, those aggressive and unskilled drivers were undeterred race after race after race. Why not? No realistic damage or collision physics...

And there are a lot of drivers out there that drive very well. Few boast about it like he does.

And I was referring to hot air about his dismissal of the importance of damage in a driving game, not his skill.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

I know and have seen a lot more of FM3 than I've seen of GT5.

You couldn't give a monkeys how long a game takes to develop? I've had a little daughter who is over 3 years old, I'm married now, I've emigrated to NZ and started a successful small IT business and a different career, quit smoking, got a black belt in Tae Kwon Do, and my parents moved to US since GT4. I have about a tenth of the time I once had to play console games and I own a very fast car that I take on the track and spend quite a bit of time tuning and maintaining. I wish I could go back to the days when I had all the time in the world to play computer games, but that was nearly 5 years ago! So yes id does matter how long a game takes to develop, perhaps not for you, but one day you may be in my shoes and understand...

Nobody said PD or indeed KY sat around doing nothing, they just haven't done anything special.

I made no real assumptions on GT5, just opinions on how it might turn out, stating it was my opinion and not fact and only two ways of the many ways it could go. Read my post properly before you make all the assumption you just moaned about with regards to it.💡 Best one was how quickly you went for fanboy aberrations, when you don't know a thing about me, usually a great sign of intellect. That was sarcasm by the way, in case you make the assumption I think you're some kind of posting genius.

Sorry I wasn't referring to you as a fanboy and should of worded my post differently.

Back on topic and for me the difference in development time between FM3 & GT5 is clearly illustrated on the forums. If you visit the forza forums many members ask for night/day races, weather, Top gear test track, more than 8 online. The reason why these are missing and likely to be in GT5 is simply down to development time. There is no way on earth Turn 10 can compete with PD until they spend more time on development.

Im looking forward to the FM3 demo but from what I have seen/read of FM3 it appears to be Forza 2.5/PGR 4.5 with a blend of Grid!

 

[Cobra_NZ]

Someone needs to get over themselves.

The main point I was trying to make was that I realized I had to do something with my life besides playing games and being in a dead end job in a country I didn't like. That takes dedication, work, perseverance and facing up to one's responsibilities as a father and a husband. Doesn't leave a lot of time for play. But yes I am proud, it didn't come as easy for me as it did for others, and I had a lazy start in life. Going got pretty bloody tough once I wanted more out of life. If you think that makes me big headed, fair enough, I'm more proud of that then driving a virtual car on a virtual track in a virtual world to perfection. So the little time I'll have to play my driving game of choice will be precious to me. Maybe 5 years ago I would have bought both games took a holiday and been antisocial for a couple of weeks. Can't exactly do that nowadays though.

 

[Cobra_NZ]

Sorry I wasn't referring to you as a fanboy and should of worded my post differently...!

Well then, I'm sorry I retaliated...

...Still GT4 having sold 13 million copies is hardly a disaster. The kind of sales Turn 10 can only dream of!!

Correct, but shouldn't we respect the challenger, T10, for working so had to get us on their FM franchise? Yes, at the moment they can only dream of those sales figures, but the future is looking good for them. If only PD worked so hard to please us and keep us in the GT camp...

This thread is very much off topic. Well I for one am going to quit being part of the problem and do my best to heep it on topic...👍

 

[Nomino]

Yes im sure your right GTHD, GT5P took zero effort. They probably produced these over a weekend.

Were you born ignorant? Notice I used the word "effectively"? GTHD and GT5P were not developed from scratch just for the sole purpose of pleasing the impatient. They were developed as part of the ongoing development cycle towards the final game that will become GT5. That is what I mean by "effectively zero effort", you know it, but still choose to come out with a smart ass comment. Well, it certainly made you look an ass...

 

[Cobra_NZ]

Were you born ignorant? Notice I used the word "effectively", in quotes? GTHD and GT5P were not developed from scratch just for the sole purpose of pleasing the impatient. They were developed as part of the ongoing development cycle towards the final game that will become GT5. That is what I mean by "effectively zero effort", you know it, but still choose to come out with a smart ass comment. Well, it certainly made you look an ass...

Haha You cracked me up with that post.

Bless him, he did a similar thing to me but I think it was lack of judgement on the moment, not necessary being an ass. Plus he apologised, so the guy has my respect for taking ownership.👍

EDIT: Topic Cobra topic... (slaps head)

 

[FatLeadFoot]

The main point I was trying to make was that I realized I had to do something with my life besides playing games and being in a dead end job in a country I didn't like. That takes dedication, work, perseverance and facing up to one's responsibilities as a father and a husband. Doesn't leave a lot of time for play. But yes I am proud, it didn't come as easy for me as it did for others, and I had a lazy start in life. Going got pretty bloody tough once I wanted more out of life. If you think that makes me big headed, fair enough, I'm more proud of that then driving a virtual car on a virtual track in a virtual world to perfection. So the little time I'll have to play my driving game of choice will be precious to me. Maybe 5 years ago I would have bought both games took a holiday and been antisocial for a couple of weeks. Can't exactly do that nowadays though.

Your accomplishments are admirable but there are millions of people like you on the face of this earth that achieved these same things. It's called growing up. Congratulations.

 

[Cobra_NZ]

Your accomplishments are admirable but there are millions of people like you on the face of this earth that achieved these same things. It's called growing up. Congratulations.

True, and respect to everyone of them. Growing up is not easy for us men.

Anyway, on topic, it does make a difference, the development time. To most of those millions you just mentioned it does. Because, like me, they want to play their game while life still permits them. Think about childhood and adolescence, how much can change in just 3 years, let alone 5...

 

[Tenacious D]

Well I am nothing if not dependable right?

About complaining incessantly? Pretty much. And it's definitely too late to complain about anything for GT5, so you're basically bloddying your fingers for nothing when you don't even have a game at home to complain about.

By the way Nomino, I'm not sure what you're saying, but Prologue did take a few months work away from a sub-team to build, and GTPSP was developed completely in-house. And by Kaz's own admission, there were spans of time when everyone quit working on GT5 completely to work on GTPSP.

The only thing that has had no impact on prolonging GT5's release are Kazunori's track outings.

 

[Kinetic]

Don't worry, when Forza comes out Deve and Nomino will stop trolling to play it... Won't be for too long i'd imagine though

 

[Nomino]

By the way Nomino, I'm not sure what you're saying, but Prologue did take a few months work away from a sub-team to build, and GTPSP was developed completely in-house. And by Kaz's own admission, there were spans of time when everyone quit working on GT5 completely to work on GTPSP.

Did the entire team take months out to build GT5P? No. I didn't say GTPSP wasn't developed in-house, I said it was largely developed by a different team. By your own admission, I was correct.

Don't worry, when Forza comes out Deve and Nomino will stop trolling to play it... Won't be for too long i'd imagine though

If I wanted to be pedantic, I would ask what you are talking about, because Forza already came out on the original Xbox. You mean Forza 3? Why didn't you say so then?

So I'll be playing said game eh? Unless somebody does a conversion onto either PS3 or Wii, the only place I'll play Forza 3 is on somebody elses console.

Sorry to burst your bubble Kinetic. Better luck next time eh kid?

 

[Blitz187]

Maybe 5 years ago I would have bought both games took a holiday and been antisocial for a couple of weeks. Can't exactly do that nowadays though.

Those were the good ole days... skip classes, or better yet just skip a whole week and say youre sick... But those days are long gone for me as well

 

[Lucas]

Kaz is a perfectionist. No way he will release a full game every two years.

I don't see much of his so atributted "perfectionism" by having 170 Premium models, which in some way indicate they are different than the rest of the cars. Saying they are Premium is basically saying "we weren't able to do it with the other cars", but with a fancy word.

 

[Azure Flare]

i'm confused

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

Well, it certainly made you look an ass...

Judging by your posts on this forum there is only one person who continually makes himself look an ass and it certainly isn't me.

 

[Nomino]

Judging by your posts on this forum there is only one person who continually makes himself look an ass and it certainly isn't me.

Is that the best you could come up with? I'm not the one mis-reading posts and acting the fool accordingly.

 

[CodeRedR51]

And I was referring to hot air about his dismissal of the importance of damage in a driving game, not his skill.

Driving skills aside, I still don't think that damage is important at all. 👎