Standard cars ARE in GT6. (100% confirmed)

[Nielsen]

they really should loose the dublicated cars. One standard and same car premiun. There is no reason for this. Loose 30 skylines and mx7. would be too diffucult.

Definitely, I'd hate to see standard versions of identical premium cars.

 

[Nissan Cima]

I have no problem whatsoever with people who enjoy/don't mind the standards, that's up to them. What I do have a problem with is the people who refuse to acknowledge that it is a legitimate issue that other people do have a problem with. As I say if you like them then good for you but PS2 cars in a PS3 game is a legitimate issue that people are perfectly reasonable in taking issue with. Simple as that. It does NOT make them "haters" or any other derogatory term.

I agree with this 110% . I rarely post on this site because I know I'll be attacked due to my complete hatred regarding standard cars.

 

[Samus]

I read through the thread there are folks actually spouting that, I didn't make it up. Just go back a few pages and you'll see it yourself.

The incorrect part I was referring to was 800 UNIQUE cars. There are not 800 unique standard cars.

 

[analog]

Wall of text

First off, please use paragraphs to make your points readable.
Secondly, don't bother if your arguments remain the same.

 

[PepeMickey]

So we have people wanting more premiums at the expense of losing 800 unique cars, sounds like irrational girlfriend logic(you know the stuff an angry woman says because she just wants things her way). Yes that's right PD's been sitting around twiddling their thumbs while GT6 coded itself and two days before the show they shoved the standard cars in there to say we have 1,200 cars .
No one is forcing you to buy or play the game, in fact no one is forcing you to come ion GTP and cry for the millionth time about things that you know for a fact will not change before this game launches, do yourself and everyone else a favor and just avoid posting. Spend so much time complaining, yet you haven't the slightest idea about what goes on over at their offices. No one compliments the fact that standard cars started out ugly and as time went on got better and more integrated with GT5, nope just a long list of complaints. Kaz knowing that they wouldn't be able to redo all 800 unique cars to premium quality settled for at least making them functionally equal to the premium cars...why is this not looked at as an achievement? I can guarantee that people can find fault with that with responses like "should have left standards out..." or "they can outsource..." to which I say I welcome all those unique cars and PD by far have the most accurate 3D modeling of cars in console development, all their premium cars are damn near photorealistic compared to their real life counterparts(something another famous game cannot boast, you can deny it all you want it's true).
I am thoroughly baffled, I just can't understand a driver wanting less cars to choose from because he'd rather have pretty cars so he can boast to his buddy about how many pretty cars there are. It seems that this is what the hate for standard really revolve around to me.
PD said that they'll add cars through DLC, so that means brand new cars and upgraded cars to premium, we'll have people complaining that the converted cars should be free or something dumb like that...save it, you don't do work for free so why the hell should they? Hopefully they give you enough premium cars that you can be satisfied with your odd fetish, as for me I welcome all cars. I'm a glass half full type of guy, it's much easier on the heart to just relax and enjoy what you have rather than moan and groan about things that your emotional outbursts won't change ever.
I'll probably get some replies to this text with defense of hate of standard cars dragging down visuals or something else as odd as that. Seriously if that's the extent of it, why even get GT6 on PS3 you can grab Project Cars on PC along with ACR on PC and they have really pretty visuals and allow for great physics and wheels. GT6 on PS3 standard cars are cast in stone, you aren't going to change that no matter how much you yelp, holler, scream, rant, rave, hold your breath, turn red or fume until your eyes turn red and snot comes out your nose, accept it and you'll definitely have a more enjoyable time in general.
Do we really need your rival system friends to co-sign on things like who has the prettiest cars? It's the weekend, it's a game and both of them you can choose to enjoy or not. I'm not saying you can't complain, but 3 years running and no one cares about the efforts done to lessen the impact of difference between the cars that is the sticking point for me, it's incredibly annoying and considering we haven't seen a single standard car decked out in visuals upgrades, why are there complaints with no proof to support your position?

So, it's irrational to ask for the bare minimum, is it? The bare minimum being all the cars modeled equally just like EVERYONE else, that's right, no one else does this kind of crap because they would be destroyed by the gaming media and the consumers but somehow Gran Turismo gets a free pass, why?

 

[C_Raccoon23]

*rant*

Yeah. All I got from that post is "Boo-hoo! Stop posting opinions I don't like!"

And if you actually read through the thread, you would see people had positive reactions to PD trying to close the gap between standards and premiums. Myself included.

 

[Cosbuster]

do yourself and everyone else a favor and just avoid posting

Right back at you sir. If you can't handle other people's opinion on the matter just open the door and leave. Everyone should have a right to voice what they think (in a civil manner) even if you don't like it.

 

[analog]

800 unique cars eh? Here's a list of the GT4 cars (I've taken the liberty to exclude the GT500 cars for now even though some aren't available as Premium just yet) that effectively and objectively need to be modelled for the whole roster of current Standard cars to be replaced, might miss a few GT-PSP cars and not be completely accurate and contain some flaws.
That's including the cars that subjectively are expected to never be remodelled at all and raceversions where a Premium RM version could take its place easily.
I've focussed on what's needed for modelling (the unique bodies) and included significant variations of the same body or raceversions which also need a separate interior modelled.
So deduct the irrelevant cars yourself and you'll see it's far less than 800 cars that need to be replaced or completely redone from scratch.

Acura CL 3.2 Type-S 2003
Alfa Romeo 147 GTA 2002
Alfa Romeo 155 2.5 V6 TI Race Car 1993
Alfa Romeo 156 2.5 V6 24V 1998
Alfa Romeo 166 2.5 V6 24V Sportronic 1998
Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600 1965
Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Speciale 1963
Alfa Romeo GT 3.2 V6 24V 2004
Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 V6 24V 2001
Alfa Romeo Spider 1600 Duetto 1966
Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0i V6 24V 2001
Alpine A310 1600VE 1973
AMUSE CarbonR (R34) 2004
ASL Garaiya 2002
Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Coupe 2000
Aston Martin V8 Vantage 1999
Aston Martin Vanquish 2004
Audi A2 1.4 2002
Audi A3 3.2 quattro 2003
Audi Abt Audi TT-R Touring Car 2002
Audi A4 Touring Car 2004
Audi Le Mans quattro 2003
Audi Nuvolari quattro 2003
Audi Pikes Peak quattro 2003
Audi Quattro 1982
Audi RS 4 2001
Audi RS 6 2002
Audi RS 6 Avant 2002
Audi S3 2002
Audi S4 1998
Audi S4 2003
Autobianchi A112 Abarth 1979
Bentley Speed 8 Race Car 2003
BMW 120d 2004
BMW 2002 Turbo 1973
BMW 320i Touring Car 2003
BMW 330i 2005
BMW M Coupe 1998
BMW M3 2004
BMW M3 GTR Race Car 2001
BMW McLaren F1 GTR Race Car 1997
BMW V12 LMR Race Car 1999
Buick GNX 1987
Buick Special (Skylark) 1962
Cadillac CIEN 2002
Callaway C12 2003
Caterham Seven Fire Blade 2002
Chaparral 2D Race Car 1967
Chaparral 2J Race Car 1970
Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z Concept 1988
Chevrolet Camaro LM Race Car 2001
Chevrolet Camaro SS 2000
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Coupe 1997
Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454 1970
Chevrolet Corvette C5R (C5) 2000
Chevrolet Corvette Convertible (C1) 1954
Chevrolet Corvette Coupe (C2) 1963
Chevrolet Corvette Stingray L46 350 (C3) 1969
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C2) Race Car 1963
Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 (C4) 1990
Chevrolet Silverado SST Concept 2002
Chevrolet SSR 2003
Chrysler 300C 2005
Chrysler Crossfire 2004
Chrysler Prowler 2002
Chrysler PT Cruiser 2000
Citroën 2CV Type A 1954
Citroën C3 1.6 2002
Citroën C5 V6 Exclusive 2003
Citroën Xantia 3.0i V6 Exclusive 2000
Citroën Xsara Rally Car 1999
Citroën Xsara VTR 2003
Cizeta V16T 1994
Daihatsu Cuore TR-XX Avanzato R 1997
Daihatsu Midget 1963
Daihatsu Midget II D-type 1998
Daihatsu MOVE Custom RS Limited 2002
Daihatsu MOVE SR-XX 2WD 1997
Daihatsu Sirion CX 2WD 1998
DMC DeLorean S2 2004
Dodge Charger 440 R/T 1970
Dodge Charger Super Bee 426 Hemi 1971
Dodge RAM 1500 LARAMIE Hemi Quad Cab 2004
Dodge SRT4 2003
Dodge VIPER GTSR Concept 2000
Dodge VIPER GTS-R Team Oreca Race Car 2000
Dome ZERO 1978
Fiat Barchetta Giovane Due 2000
Fiat Coupé Turbo Plus 2000
Fiat Panda Super i.e. 1990
Fiat Punto HGT Abarth 2000
Ford Escort Rally Car 1998
Ford FOCUS Rally Car 1999
Ford FOCUS RS 2002
Ford GT40 Race Car 1969
Ford Ka 2001
Ford MUSTANG SVT Cobra R 2000
Ford RS200 1984
Ford RS200 Rally Car 1985
Ford SVT F-150 Lightning 2003
Ford Taurus SHO 1998
Ford Falcon XR8 Race Car 2000
FPV F6 Typhoon 2004
Gillet Vertigo Race Car 2004
Ginetta G4 1964
HKS GENKI HYPER SILVIA RS2 (D1GP) 2004
Holden Commodore SS 2004
Holden Monaro CV8 2004
Hommell Berlinette R/S Coupe 1999
Honda 1300 Coupe 9 S 1970
Honda ACCORD Coupe 1988
Honda ACCORD Coupe EX 2003
Honda ACCORD Euro-R 2000
Honda ACCORD Euro-R 2002
Honda ARTA NSX (JGTC) 2000
Honda BALLADE SPORTS CR-X 1.5i 1983
Honda BEAT 1991
Honda CITY Turbo II 1983
Honda CIVIC 1500 3door 25i 1983
Honda CIVIC 1500 3door CX 1979
Honda CIVIC SiR-II (EG) 1991
Honda CIVIC TYPE R (EK) 1998
Honda CIVIC TYPE R (EP) 2001
Honda CR-X del Sol SiR 1992
Honda CR-X SiR 1990
Honda Dualnote 2001
Honda ELEMENT 2003
Honda Gathers Drider CIVIC Race Car 1998
Honda HSC 2003
Honda Insight 1999
Honda INTEGRA TYPE R (DC2) 1995
Honda INTEGRA TYPE R Touring Car 2002
Honda Jazz 1.4 dsi Se 2001
Honda LIFE STEP VAN 1972
Honda MUGEN MOTUL CIVIC Si Race Car 1987
Honda N360 1967
Honda NSX-R Prototype LM Race Car 2002
Honda NSX-R Prototype LM Road Car
Honda Odyssey 2003
Honda PRELUDE Si VTEC 1991
Honda PRELUDE SiR 1996
Honda S2000 LM Race Car 2001
Honda S800 1966
Honda S800 RSC Race Car 1968
Honda TODAY G 1985
Honda Z ACT 1970
HPA Motorsports Stage II R32 Bi Turbo 2004
Hyundai Accent Rally Car 2001
Hyundai Clix 2001
Hyundai Coupe FX 2001
Hyundai HCD6 2001
Infiniti FX45 Concept 2002
Isuzu 117 Coupe 1968
Isuzu Bellett 1600 GT-R 1969
Isuzu PIAZZA XE 1981
Jaguar E-Type Coupe 1961
Jaguar S-Type R 2002
Jaguar XJ220 1992
Jaguar XJ220 LM Race Car 2001
Jaguar XKR Coupe 1999
Jaguar XKR R-Performance 2002
Jay Leno Tank Car 2003
Jensen Interceptor MkIII 1974
Lancia DELTA HF Integrale Rally Car 1992
Lancia Delta S4 Rally Car 1985
Lancia STRATOS 1973
Lancia STRATOS Rally Car 1977
Land Rover Range Stormer Concept 2004
Lexus GS300 1991
Lexus GS300 2000
Lexus IS 200 1998
Lexus IS300 Sport Cross 2001
Lexus SC 300 1997
Lexus SC430 2001
Lister Storm V12 Race Car 1999
Lotus Carlton 1990
Lotus Elan S1 1962
Lotus Esprit Turbo HC 1987
Lotus Europa Special 1971
Marcos Mini Marcos GT 1970
Mazda 110S (L10B) 1968
Mazda 2 2003
Mazda 323F 1993
Mazda 6 5-door 2003
Mazda 6 Concept 2001
Mazda 6 Touring Car 2002
Mazda 6 MPS 2005
Mazda BP FALKEN RX-7 (D1GP) 2003
Mazda Carol 360 Deluxe 1962
Mazda DEMIO (J) 1999
Mazda Familia Sedan Sport 20 2002
Mazda Kusabi 2003
Mazda MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) 2000
Mazda MX-Crossport 2005
Mazda RX-7 LM Race Car 2001
Mazda RX-8 Concept (Type-I) 2001
Mazda RX-8 Concept (Type-II) 2001
Mazda RX-8 Concept LM Race Car 2001
Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 – 16 Evolution II 1991
Mercedes-Benz A 160 Avantgarde 1998
Mercedes-Benz AMG Mercedes 190 E 2.5 – 16 Evolution II Touring Car 1992
Mercedes-Benz AMG Mercedes CLK-GTR Race Car 1998
Mercedes-Benz CL 600 2000
Mercedes-Benz CLK 55 AMG 2000
Mercedes-Benz CLK Touring Car 2000
Mercedes-Benz E 55 AMG 2002
Mercedes-Benz Sauber Mercedes C 9 Race Car 1989
Mercedes-Benz SL 500 (R129) 1998
Mercedes-Benz SLK 230 Kompressor 1998
Mercury Cougar XR-7 1967
MG MGF 1997
MG TF160 2003
Mitsubishi 3000GT MR (J) 1995
Mitsubishi AIRTREK Turbo-R 2002
Mitsubishi COLT 1.5 Sport X Version 2002
Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac 2001
Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac Rally Car 2002
Mitsubishi ECLIPSE GT 1995
Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 2006
Mitsubishi ECLIPSE Spyder GTS 2003
Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R 1997
Mitsubishi FTO Super Touring Car 1997
Mitsubishi Galant 2.0 DOHC Turbo VR-4 1989
Mitsubishi GALANT GTO MR 1970
Mitsubishi HSR-II Concept 1989
Mitsubishi i 2003
Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 GSR 1974
Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 GSR Rally Car 1974
Mitsubishi Lancer EX 1800GSR IC Turbo 1983
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II GSR 1994
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Super Rally Car 2003
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV Rally Car 1997
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI Rally Car 1999
Mitsubishi LEGNUM VR-4 Type V 1998
Mitsubishi MINICA DANGAN ZZ 1989
Mitsubishi MIRAGE 1400GLX 1978
Mitsubishi MIRAGE CYBORG ZR 1997
Mitsubishi PAJERO Evolution Rally Raid Car 2003
Mitsubishi PAJERO Rally Raid Car 1985
Mitsubishi STARION 4WD Rally Car 1984
Nissan 240RS Rally Car 1985
Nissan 240SX 1996
Nissan 240ZG (HS30) 1971
Nissan Fairlady Z Concept LM Race Car 2002
Nissan 350Z Roadster (Z33) 2003
Nissan Be-1 1987
Nissan BLUEBIRD 1600 Deluxe (510) 1969
Nissan BLUEBIRD Hardtop 1800SSS (910) 1979
Nissan BLUEBIRD Rally Car (510) 1969
Nissan CALSONIC SKYLINE (JGTC) 2000
Nissan CALSONIC SKYLINE GT-R Race Car 1993
Nissan CUBE EX (FF/CVT) 2002
Nissan CUBE X 1998
Nissan C-WEST RAZO SILVIA (JGTC) 2001
Nissan EXA CANOPY L.A.Version Type S (N13) 1988
Nissan Fairlady 2000 (SR311) 1968
Nissan Fairlady Z 280Z-L 2seater (S130) 1978
Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX (Z31) 1983
Nissan FALKEN GT-R Race Car 2004
Nissan GT-R Concept (TokyoShow’01) 2001
Nissan GT-R Concept LM Race Car 2002
Nissan March G# 1999
Nissan mm-R Cup Car 2001
Nissan OPTION Stream Z 2004
Nissan PAO 1989
Nissan PRIMERA 2.0Te 1990
Nissan PRIMERA 20V 2001
Nissan R390 GT1 Race Car 1998
Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car 1998
Nissan R89C Race Car 1989
Nissan R92CP Race Car 1992
Nissan SILEIGHTY 1998
Nissan SILVIA (CSP311) 1965
Nissan SILVIA 240RS (S100) 1983
Nissan SILVIA Varietta (S15) 2000
Nissan SKYLINE 1500Deluxe (S50D-1) 1963
Nissan SKYLINE 2000GT-B (S54A) 1967
Nissan SKYLINE 2000GT-R (KPGC110) 1973
Nissan SKYLINE GTS-R (R31) 1987
Nissan SKYLINE Hard Top 2000 RS-X Turbo C (R30) 1984
Nissan SKYLINE Hard Top 2000 Turbo RS (R30) 1983
Nissan SKYLINE Hard Top 2000GT-R (KPGC10) 1970
Nissan SKYLINE Sport Coupe (BLRA-3) 1962
Nissan STAGEA 260RS Autech Version 1998
Opel Astra Touring Car (Opel Team Phoenix) 2000
Opel Calibra Touring Car 1995
Opel Corsa Comfort 1.4 2001
Opel Speedster 2000
Opel Tigra 1.6i 1999
Opel Vectra 3.2 V6 2003
Pagani Zonda C12 2000
Pagani Zonda LM Race Car 2001
Panoz Esperante GTR-1 Race Car 1998
Pescarolo Courage C60/Peugeot Race Car 2003
PlayStation Pescarolo C60/Judd Race Car 2004
Peugeot 106 S16 2003
Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 1985
Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 Evolution 2 Rally Car 1986
Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 Rally Car 1985
Peugeot 206 Rally Car 1999
Peugeot 206 RC 2003
Peugeot 206 S16 1999
Peugeot 206 CC 2001
Peugeot 307 XSi 2004
Peugeot 406 3.0 V6 Coupe 1998
Peugeot 905 Race Car 1992
Plymouth Cuda 440 Six Pack 1971
Plymouth Super Bird 1970
Polyphony Digital Formula Gran Turismo 2004
Pontiac GTO 5.7 Coupe 2004
Pontiac Solstice Coupe Concept 2002
Pontiac Sunfire GXP Concept 2002
Pontiac Tempest Le Mans GTO 1964
Pontiac Vibe GT 2003
Proto Motors SPIRRA 4.6 V8 2004
Renault 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car 1985
Renault 5 Turbo 1980
Renault AVANTIME 2002
Renault Clio Renault Sport Trophy V6 24V Race Car 2000
Renault Mégane 2.0 IDE Coupé 2000
RUF 3400S 2000
RUF BTR 1986
RUF CTR “Yellow Bird” 1987
RUF CTR2 1996
RUF RGT 2000
Saleen S7 2002
Scion xA ’03
Seat Ibiza Cupra 2004
Shelby Mustang G.T. 350R 1965
Shelby Series 1 Super Charged 2003
Spoon Fit Race Car 2003
Spoon S2000 Race Car 2000
Spyker C8 Laviolette 2001
Subaru IMPREZA Coupe WRXtypeR STi Version VI (GC) 1999
Subaru IMPREZA Premium Sport Coupe 22B-STi Version (GC) 1998
Subaru IMPREZA Rally Car 1999
Subaru IMPREZA Rally Car 2001
Subaru IMPREZA Rally Car 2003
Subaru IMPREZA Rally Car Prototype 2001
Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STi (GC) 1994
Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STi spec C (GD, Type-II) 2004
Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STi Version (GD, Type-I) 2000
Subaru IMPREZA Sport Wagon STi (GG, Type-I) 2000
Subaru IMPREZA Super Touring Car
Subaru LEGACY B4 2.0GT (4th) 2003
Subaru LEGACY B4 Blitzen (3rd) 2000
Subaru LEGACY Touring Wagon 2.0GT (4th) 2003
Subaru LEGACY Touring Wagon GT-B (2nd) 1996
Subaru SUBARU 360 1958
Suzuki ALTO LAPIN Turbo 2002
Suzuki ALTO WORKS RS-Z 1997
Suzuki CONCEPT-S2 2003
Suzuki ESCUDO Dirt Trial Car 1998
Suzuki GSX-R/4 2001
Suzuki Kei WORKS 2002
Suzuki MR Wagon Sport 2004
Suzuki WAGON R RR 1998
Tommy kaira ZZII 2000
Tommy kaira ZZ-S 2000
Tom’s X540 CHASER 2000
MINOLTA Toyota 88C-V Race Car 1989
Toyota 2000GT 1967
Toyota 7 Race Car 1970
Toyota ALTEZZA Touring Car 2001
Toyota bB 1.5Z X Version 2000
Toyota CALDINA GT-FOUR 2002
Toyota CARINA ED 2.0 X 4WS 1989
Toyota CELICA 1600GT (TA22) 1970
Toyota CELICA 2000GT-R (ST162) 1986
Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR (ST205) 1998
Toyota CELICA SS-II (ST202) 1997
Toyota CELICA XX 2800GT 1981
Toyota COROLLA LEVIN BZ-R 1998
Toyota COROLLA LEVIN GT-APEX (AE86) 1983
Toyota COROLLA Rally Car 1998
Toyota COROLLA RUNX Z AEROTOURER 2002
Toyota GT-ONE Race Car (TS020) 1999
Toyota MR2 1600 G 1986
Toyota MR2 G-Limited 1997
Toyota MR2 Spyder 1999
Toyota PRIUS G (J) 2002
Toyota PRIUS G Touring Selection (J) 2003
Toyota RSC 2001
Toyota RSC Rally Raid Car 2002
Toyota SERA 1992
Toyota SPORTS 800 1965
Toyota SPRINTER TRUENO BZ-R 1998
Toyota SPRINTER TRUENO GT-APEX (AE86) 1983
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Toyota SUPERAUTOBACS APEX MR-S (JGTC) 2000
Toyota SUPRA SZ-R 1997
Toyota Tacoma X-Runner 2004
Toyota Yaris F (J) 199
Toyota WiLL VS 2001
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Triumph Spitfire 1500 1974
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TVR Cerbera Speed Six 1997
TVR Griffith 500 1994
TVR T350C 2003
TVR Tuscan Speed 6 2000
TVR V8S 1991
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Volkswagen Golf I GTI 1976
Volkswagen Karmann Ghia Coupe (Type-1) 1968
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Volkswagen Lupo Cup Car 2000
Volkswagen New Beetle 2.0 2000
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Volkswagen Polo GTI 2001
Volkswagen W12 Nardo Concept 2001
Volvo 240 GLT Estate 1988
Volvo S60 T 5 Sport 2003

 

[NCRthree]

I don't get the ditch all standards viewpoint myself in light of what Kaz said about improving their appearances. It sounds like they should be vastly improved. They've been improved a lot since GT5's launch which bodes well for even further improvement. More customization will be available too.

The argument that they aren't consistent sounds like it's from a consumer review standpoint and not a car enthusiasts standpoint. If you don't use cockpit cam, what difference does it make to a driver whether some cars don't look as detailed as others?

I'm thinking Kaz said no to interiors for standards means just that. No modeled interiors-that's it. There was no mention of no cockpit cam so maybe the simple silhouette or something similar will return. I sure hope so. I don't want to go from cockpit cam to hood/bumper cam between cars.

 

[HaylRayzor]

I don't care if you like standard cars or don't like standard cars.

I understand wanting them to be made better. I want them to be made better. Kaz said they're being made better. OK?

What I object to is people who insist on taking 800 cars out of MY game because they are offended by their mere presence.

You don't like them. You don't have to drive them. (If there are events that require them, that is a separate issue.)

I am offended by the presence of front wheel drive cars. There is nothing good about them and I will never drive one. But I don't think YOUR game should be without them just so I don't have to even see one.

Oh, and I'm sure this has been pointed out already, but I'll say it again: They're in GT6. Raging about it is pointless.

 

[dylansan]

The argument that they aren't consistent sounds like it's from a consumer review standpoint and not a car enthusiasts standpoint.

Technically both are valid viewpoints, and it's important as players to pay attention to the overall quality of the game, but personally I would rather have a historic or interesting car in sub-premium quality than nothing at all.

I would definitely not be satisfied with GT5 if only the Premiums were there, as most of my favorite cars are standards. I know that this applies to many other people as well. I think the only way PD can really avoid alienating a lot of their customers is to include the standards but gradually work on bringing them up to premium quality (which they seem to be doing). Some will be annoyed that the standards are there, but I imagine the number that won't buy the game because standards are there is much less than the number that wouldn't buy if standards weren't there.

 

[Nielsen]

The argument that they aren't consistent sounds like it's from a consumer review standpoint and not a car enthusiasts standpoint. If you don't use cockpit cam, what difference does it make to a driver whether some cars don't look as detailed as others?

First, being a car enthusiast doesn't mean that you don't think like a consumer. Second, I only use the interior view so that's an issue. Finally, the difference it makes to have premium cars and standard cars is, as you say, that they don't have the same amount of detail, and that's a pretty serious problem for a game on a HD system.

 

[MoLiEG]

Basically we are going to get the same line up of cars of a 2005 game... (or 75 -80% of it)... I can't wait to play this "new" game... 👎

 

[analog]

What I object to is people who insist on taking 800 cars out of MY game because they are offended by their mere presence.

As I already showed above, it's far less than 800 cars that need to be remodelled from scratch for every single Standard car to be made available as Premium (those Premium models can then be made into endless variatons/duplicates resulting into 800 cars hypothetically), I don't want the cars removed (at least not all), just the way they're modelled.

I am offended by the presence of front wheel drive cars. There is nothing good about them and I will never drive one. But I don't think YOUR game should be without them just so I don't have to even see one.

That's a ridiculous comparison, this has to do with car modelling and the same features like cockpit view being available for all cars, objectively, not the sort of cars included subjectively.

 

[sems4arsenal]

DO they have enough data from the old standard car models to use in the new physics engine ?

 

[Imari]

The other problem is that the presence of standards influence which cars are made into premiums.

See the truck race debacle in GT5. They had trucks available as standards, so didn't bother to model any premium trucks. At release, if you wanted to complete that race you had to either work your way through several tiers of licences or cycle the UCD until you found a truck.

I imagine they'll be upgrading the most popular standards to premium, because they'd be insane not to. If stuff like the Veyron and the Yellowbird aren't premium, it will be because PD has totally lost touch with reality. But for the sake of filling out the roster, I suspect that if a car or class of cars is already well represented in the standards it doesn't bode well for getting premium models.


And finally, one more point I'd like to raise. Standard tracks. Deep Forest and Trial Mountain are great tracks and all that, but they look SERIOUSLY dated. Are these tracks going to get a similar facelift to the standard cars? I certainly hope so.

More to the point, the only way I can see them keeping up with their stated monthly track DLC is padding it out with re-releases of GT4 and GT3 content. And if it's not polished to look pretty shiny they may find themselves with a PR disaster on their hands. Peddling ten year old content as DLC would go down pretty badly.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I don't care if you like standard cars or don't like standard cars.

I understand wanting them to be made better. I want them to be made better. Kaz said they're being made better. OK?

What I object to is people who insist on taking 800 cars out of MY game because they are offended by their mere presence.

You don't like them. You don't have to drive them. (If there are events that require them, that is a separate issue.)

I am offended by the presence of front wheel drive cars. There is nothing good about them and I will never drive one. But I don't think YOUR game should be without them just so I don't have to even see one.

Oh, and I'm sure this has been pointed out already, but I'll say it again: They're in GT6. Raging about it is pointless.

Again, not wanting standard cars included is just someone's opinion. PD isn't going keep them out just because some people on here don't want them. PD is going to look at what cars players are using in the game before they visit a forum to decide if standard cars should stay or go.

 

[Sele1981]

The bigger problem is, we will have those standards on PS4 too. Thats an absolutely no-go. I would preffer an GT with 500 good looking cars than 1200 cars and 3/4 of them look messed up. Car selection still sucks on GT. Why are there not more european cars? What we can see from the screenshots is, we will get 1 new Ferrari and 1 new Mercedes. Wow wuhuuu... And 99 new Skyline and GT-R´s...

I think this "1200 cars" is an ego problem, just like saying "I have the biggest dick". Just so they can say "look we have 1200 cars in the game"... Throw them away and start the game from scratch.

 

[Kitten]

Am i the only person who likes standards?

 

[dr_slump]

Am i the only person who likes standards?

No

 

[shirakawaa]

DO they have enough data from the old standard car models to use in the new physics engine ?

They will likely fill the holes with generic or interpolated data like I think they did with Standards in GT5 for the GT5 physics engine. This might be one of the reason why in general they seem to have a more bland, generic driving behavior than equivalent Premium cars. I'm not the only one who feels this way.

 

[Nielsen]

Actually, I wonder why none of the several GT demo builds for PS3 have had standard cars in them? If they're as awesome as some people say then PD should make a greater effort to promote them at Silverstone, E3, Gamescom, TGS, etc. No, instead they hide them in the full game, now even without categorizing them, so people can discover them on their own and drool over the PS2 textures and missing interiors.

 

[Sele1981]

Am i the only person who likes standards?

It´s not about liking them or not. What would happen if everybody works this way? Oh we put an PS2 Kratos in God of War IV or we use old PS2 buildings and textures in GTA V...

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

Of course it is selfish but not much more selfish than the opposite opinion which affects the experience of those that don't want them. I would really love an option that completely hides them from the game where I don't ever see them anywhere while the rest that like them can continue using them but that ain't happening and now that they won't be labelled as standard they'll be even harder to avoid.

I dont see how wanting more cars is selfish.I dont see how racing against a standard can effect your experience so much to the point that you wish to have them all to be removed, maybe it is selfish to want them, I dont know but its nowhere near as selfish as wanting them removed because they simply subjectively dont look pretty imo.

Lower detail my friend

No, we are on ps3 and all cars should be premium by this time. I believe that every one don't mind because of the standards just has long has they can put a custom livery with some bumpers. This is a simulator not a need for speed underground, and forza is just the one to take the guilt

Yea I agree, but that wasnt my point.They couldve just left standards out and we wouldnt be having this discussion.My point was its understandable from PD view to add standards.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

No matter what there are a lot of standard cars in GT5 that I like very much, some better than any of the premiums. Any improvements to these will be a good thing and leaving them in the game is a good thing.

Some of them could be removed and it would not bother me but many of them are in my favorites list and I would hate to loose them. Of those there are a couple that the detail is pretty poor and I wish it was better but it sounds like that is quite likely the case.

At any rate I think it is sad how many people have nothing better to do than come on here and whine about this. You can bet that if they were all removed then those same people would still be whinning about something, maybe that all of the standards were removed

 

[analog]

Am i the only person who likes standards?

Honestly, what's there to like other than liking that specific real life car? I love a lot of the cars that currently are Standard (I'm really pleased for example the Countach LP400 and Alpine A110 at least are Premium now so they become enjoyable) but I can't enjoy them the same way as Premium cars for the simple reason they don't feature cockpit view.

How can you like an inferior modelling method and limited features?
Not caring (if you don't use cockpit view) is something else, or being afraid a particular real life car you like won't be available at all perhaps (although that risk is always present since some cars will simply be removed for other reasons).

 

[C_Raccoon23]

At any rate I think it is sad how many people have nothing better to do than come on here and whine about this. You can bet that if they were all removed then those same people would still be whinning about something, maybe that all of the standards were removed

And I can say the same about people who berate others for not being okay with every single thing PD does.

 

[STJ88]

The bigger problem is, we will have those standards on PS4 too. Thats an absolutely no-go. I would preffer an GT with 500 good looking cars than 1200 cars and 3/4 of them look messed up. Car selection still sucks on GT. Why are there not more european cars? What we can see from the screenshots is, we will get 1 new Ferrari and 1 new Mercedes. Wow wuhuuu... And 99 new Skyline and GT-R´s...

I think this "1200 cars" is an ego problem, just like saying "I have the biggest dick". Just so they can say "look we have 1200 cars in the game"... Throw them away and start the game from scratch.

People need to stop whining and check the facts!!! GT4 had no Ferrari's at all and GT5 had 12!!! All Premium, please name a manufacturer that got that many new premium cars.

So if you ask me its time to get some new Skyline's, because all that PD is doing is making different variations of the R35.

 

[Cosbuster]

I dont see how wanting more cars is selfish.I dont see how racing against a standard can effect your experience so much to the point that you wish to have them all to be removed, maybe it is selfish to want them, I dont know but its nowhere near as selfish as wanting them removed because they simply subjectively dont look pretty imo.

I really adore many car models that happen to be standard which makes it all the more disappointing and disheartening to see them in the mess they are in the game. Lacking functionality, distracting looks, generic handling, wrong data. It's like an insult to the cars themselves. Reminds me of getting into a box as a kid and pretending it's the car I wanted. I'm sorry but I can't do that any more.

In the end, what exactly does a half-assed car provide to the game? It just makes you wish it received better treatement every time you see it. I'd rather save myself from thinking that every time I'm on the grid. Maybe keep them as collectibles for an in-game museum you can visit and look at the cars. Selfish or not, I don't want them in the game, they just ruin it for me.

 

[Earth]

Isn't it interesting how GT3 is the best selling game in the series despite the fact the number of cars was much reduced compared to GT2? Maybe because it was great game with few shortcomings.

What also helped GT3 sales was the fact it was released on PS2 8 months after the console launched in North America and Europe. Sony bundled GT3 with the PS2 and it sold in amazing numbers and helped PS2 become the biggest selling console ever.

It baffles me that Sony decided against trying to replicate such success with PS4.

Watched the whole thing anyways:tup: Great video, he looks like he's in good spirits and excited about his product, and that's good to see. They take an awful lot of crap from folks. I feel a bit better about the 'standards' after watching that. Can't wait until we see some real screenshots of them.

They dont deserve alot of crap from people after GT5, a game which has serious flaws piled clear up to the sky? And they have not acknowledged or addressed two of the biggest issues with GT5, sound and AI?