Standard cars ARE in GT6. (100% confirmed)

[analog]

As someone else pointed out, the fact GT5 included them more or less automatically ensured they'd be included in GT6 as well (even though I didn't expect them or take that into account).
With GT5 being the first GT on PS3 and instead of them taking the GT3 approach (eventually leading up to GT4's massive car list), possibly due to the competition having a certain amount of cars they couldn't begin to match with Premium cars, they chose for this stopgap solution and now can't risk people sticking with GT5 or buying a discount GT5 instead of GT6 as the number of Premium cars is probably still considered inadequate (even if it were adequate, they still would've had less quantity which matters apparantly).

With GT7 (or some version of GT6) on the PS4 they won't have to worry about that as you can't play previous GT-games on that (and have time to increase the number of Premium cars, but so does the competition by the way) so one way or the other, the Standard cars you all currently claim to enjoy so much will vanish or be 'upgraded' in a couple of years anyway so don't claim those who don't like Standard cars want 'your' cars to be taken out, it's mainly a question of when, not if.

And my mistake was to assume that time was now, and unfortunately that automatically means I won't be able play a full consistent current gen GT-game besides Prologue.

 

[Tornado]

So if you ask me its time to get some new Skyline's, because all that PD is doing is making different variations of the R35.

Nah, 3 is good for now.

 

[STJ88]

Nah, 3 is good for now.

No its not because cars like the KPGC10 and KPGC110 GTR just can't stay standard!

 

[NCRthree]

First, being a car enthusiast doesn't mean that you don't think like a consumer. Second, I only use the interior view so that's an issue. Finally, the difference it makes to have premium cars and standard cars is, as you say, that they don't have the same amount of detail, and that's a pretty serious problem for a game on a HD system.

Yeah, I'm both of course, we all are. My main concern is cockpit cam with standards. Keeping some semblance of a cockpit even as primitive as GT5's is better than none at all. So that's a very big deal to me. I don't want to lose a more sim like driving angle, no way.

But why does detail matter if you're not doing photo work? Concern that GT6 will be an inferior product and get bad media reviews? That's sure not my concern as a consumer and I'm not a PD stockholder. It's been stated that the visuals will improve greatly across the entire game's scope. Seems like that would suffice as a good sign at this point.

 

[Tornado]

And cars like the E30 M3 just can't stay nonexistent.

 

[sems4arsenal]

They will likely fill the holes with generic or interpolated data like I think they did with Standards in GT5 for the GT5 physics engine. This might be one of the reason why in general they seem to have a more bland, generic driving behavior than equivalent Premium cars. I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Yeah figured as much,guessing the gap between the bland standards and the improved premiums will be even for noticable when driving

 

[analog]

And cars like the E30 M3 just can't stay nonexistent.

Pfff, 3.0 CSL is all that's needed.

 

[Rash-182]

What a nice trap PD has gotten themselves into. Obviously they can´t sell a sequel with less cars than GT5 (marketing), so i think we sill end up driving those for at least another 5 years, untill they premium them all. Nice job PD

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

the Standard cars you all currently claim to enjoy so much will vanish or be 'upgraded' in a couple of years anyway so don't claim those who don't like Standard cars want 'your' cars to be taken out, it's mainly a question of when, not if.

And my mistake was to assume that time was now, and unfortunately that automatically means I won't be able play a full consistent current gen GT-game besides Prologue.

But theres a blatant difference between removed and updated.I just dont get how putting standards in the game make it less of a current gen game.Your saying the fact that those cars are in the game makes it a inconsistent current gen game yet a game with a fraction of premium cars is a current gen game? Would GT5 & GT6 be considered a current gen game to you if the standards were removed? If you see it that way, why dont you see the standards as simply an extra?

 

[analog]

But theres a blatant difference between removed and updated.I just dont get how putting standards in the game make it less of a current gen game.Your saying the fact that those cars are in the game it doesnt make it a consistent current gen game yet a game with a fraction of premium cars is a current gen game? Would GT5 & GT6 be considered a current gen game to you if the standards were removed? If you see it that way, why dont you see the standards as simply an extra?

They're previous gen assets using previous gen modelling techniques resulting in less features like cockpit view (which is considered a given these days, whether you like it or not) so yes, removing them altogether makes the overall game more current gen than it currently is (objectively).

But ofcourse there's a blatant difference between being updated or removed but we simply can't expect them updating every single Standard car (do you really want them spending time on for example a Premium '03 Citroën C5 or '03 Vectra whilst that time could be spend on their successors?) so we automatically won't see all Standard cars return once they decide to go for Premium-only content.

Since I right now mainly (95% of the time) use Premium cars only anyway, I indeed wouldn't mind having less cars, in fact I prefer it if it means all cars are equally well modelled.
That to me matters more than having a huge selection of 'extras' which I won't use, if I order a steak I expect the plate consisting mostly of that steak and don't need it being garnished with some slightly off salad, I certainly don't want most of the plate consisting of slightly off salad with a bit of meat but maybe I'm odd.

I'll admit though that this point of view currently is irrelevant since you get to enjoy your Standard cars in GT6 and I'll probably have enough Premium cars and other new features to keep me occupied for a long time, the only thing I wish for right now is a separate garage section and not some false pretense they're suddenly all the same with some upgraded graphics and more aero parts.

 

[Odyofil]

if veyron stay standart, i gonna hunt all pd

 

[Tenacious D]

One thing I would say though, is that while I can appreciate PD want to keep the huge collection of cars that were in GT4 as a foundation of sorts, and continue to build off of that, what it does mean now is we have a lot of completely obsolete cars that probably don't need to be in the game any more. You know, cars that are too old to be considered recent, but not old enough to warrant inclusion as a classic. I mean, would anyone really miss, say, the Citroen Xantia? Or a decade-old Audi A2?

Oh no. I'm one of those guys who like having a living encyclopedia of cars, especially when they come in a game with fairly detailed physics. I like running up the family tree sometimes, and see how Audi or BMW progressed through history.

With a few people remarking on how the car dynamics in the 15th Anniversary demo - an early build by the way - felt as solid as GTR2 or other sims, I'm going to enjoy doing this all over again.

I will give a nod to the point of the disgruntled that Standard cars and tracks bring the quality of a GT game down. Unfortunately, they don't seem to want to acknowledge that having a car or track is much better than not having a car or track. People can harp on how awesome GT3 was and how well it sold, but I hated losing more than 300 cars and a number of tracks from GT2. Really hated it. I went back and played GT2 a number of times, even though the simpler physics and awful graphics, helped by Bleemcast on Dreamcast, made GT5's Standards look photoreal.

if veyron stay standart, i gonna hunt all pd

Sure...

Anyway, I really need to get in some time on my vacuum cleaners.

 

[PepeMickey]

But theres a blatant difference between removed and updated.I just dont get how putting standards in the game make it less of a current gen game.Your saying the fact that those cars are in the game makes it a inconsistent current gen game yet a game with a fraction of premium cars is a current gen game? Would GT5 & GT6 be considered a current gen game to you if the standards were removed? If you see it that way, why dont you see the standards as simply an extra?

They are not an "extra" when they make 70% of the game between standard tracks, cars and features. You are basically playing a PS2 game with a few very pretty models and tracks (well that's GT5). We still don't know the % of standards in GT6 but how many could've possibly been finished in 3 years? 60?

 

[GTRACER1998]

if veyron stay standart, i gonna hunt all pd

Only thing Veyron was good for was going fast.

 

[Tornado]

if veyron stay standart, i gonna hunt all pd

Or using the alternate title:

 

[JGreens]

I agree with the point that PD has set itself to a benchmark it can't match to everyone's agreement.

My preferences is that I would take the loss in availability in exchange for quality and would accept scrapping all Standards in exchange for the historically important (E-Type, LMP's, etc...) to be redone at Premium level.

I think as a general, almost holistic question has to be asked at PD:
Is GT a sandbox racing simulation game - focusing on multiplayer, GT Academy & DLC or
Is GT a career racing simulation game - focusing on WEC, ELMS & Various touring championships (British GT, V8 Supercars, ADAC etc...)
because they can't do both at the level of quality expected.

GT is becoming the COD of racing gaming. Little improvements, focus wholly on MP, DLC for tracks that should be implemented at the beginning...

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

They are not an "extra" when they make 70% of the game between standard tracks, cars and features. You are basically playing a PS2 game with a few very pretty models and tracks (well that's GT5). We still don't know the % of standards in GT6 but how many could've been possibly finished in 3 years? 60?

So your saying cars = 100% ( or 99.9% and everything else is.1%) of gt5? The amount of of a extra feature doesnt make it more or less of a feature.

They're previous gen assets using previous gen modelling techniques resulting in less features like cockpit view (which is considered a given these days, whether you like it or not) so yes, removing them altogether makes the overall game more current gen than it currently is (objectively).

But ofcourse there's a blatant difference between being updated or removed but we simply can't expect them updating every single Standard car (do you really want them spending time on for example a Premium '03 Citroën C5 or '03 Vectra whilst that time could be spend on their successors?) so we automatically won't see all Standard cars return once they decide to go for Premium-only content.

Since I right now mainly (95% of the time) use Premium cars only anyway, I indeed wouldn't mind having less cars, in fact I prefer it if it means all cars are equally well modelled.
That to me matters more than having a huge selection of 'extras' which I won't use, if I order a steak I expect the plate consisting mostly of that steak and don't need it being garnished with some slightly off salad, I certainly don't want most of the plate consisting of slightly off salad with a bit of meat but maybe I'm odd.

I'll admit though that this point of view currently is irrelevant since you get to enjoy your Standard cars in GT6 and I'll probably have enough Premium cars and other new features to keep me occupied for a long time, the only thing I wish for right now is a separate garage section and not some false pretense they're suddenly all the same with some upgraded graphics and more aero parts.

hmm.Usually when you subtract from something it becomes less not more.Your defying the rules of simple Maths man lol.But I get your point.Also I wasnt aware that you meant being replaced by the newer model.In that case replace "updated" with "replaced".I dont care about the standard 73 apline from gt5 now that we the premium ( yet older ) model.If they removed it all together, if I cared about the car then I would be mad.

 

[analog]

Unfortunately, they don't seem to want to acknowledge that having a car or track is much better than not having a car or track.

Only for the sake of those who use them I'll give you that, if you prefer and expect a current gen game to be experienced in cockpit view, they are essentially trivial and serving no other purpose than reminding what you can't enjoy.
And that only goes for cars by the way, I do notice the dated graphics in older tracks but that doesn't prevent me from using them (nor do the dated graphics of Standard cars exteriors by the way) even when I'll admit it doesn't really enhance the overall experience to put it mildly.

hmm.Usually when you subtract from something it becomes less not more.Your defying the rules of simple Maths man lol.But I get your point.Also I wasnt aware that you meant being replaced by the newer model.In that case replace "updated" with "replaced".I dont care about the standard 73 apline from gt5 now that we the premium ( yet older ) model.If they removed it all together, if I cared about the car then I would be mad.

Sometimes less is more (philosophical, not mathematical) , and what I meant with updating isn't necessarily replacing it with a newer real life model, it's just that some cars which were in GT4 and were current at the time, haven't exactly reached instant classic or cult status to ensure they'll be carried over.
So it's logical to expect some cars to be remodelled whilst others will be replaced either by their successor or something entirely different, 'taking their place' (effectively removed and time and resources spend on something else).

 

[dylansan]

Oh no. I'm one of those guys who like having a living encyclopedia of cars, especially when they come in a game with fairly detailed physics. I like running up the family tree sometimes, and see how Audi or BMW progressed through history.

With a few people remarking on how the car dynamics in the 15th Anniversary demo - an early build by the way - felt as solid as GTR2 or other sims, I'm going to enjoy doing this all over again.

I will give a nod to the point of the disgruntled that Standard cars and tracks bring the quality of a GT game down. Unfortunately, they don't seem to want to acknowledge that having a car or track is much better than not having a car or track. People can harp on how awesome GT3 was and how well it sold, but I hated losing more than 300 cars and a number of tracks from GT2. Really hated it. I went back and played GT2 a number of times, even though the simpler physics and awful graphics, helped by Bleemcast on Dreamcast, made GT5's Standards look photoreal.

Completely agree. I found myself going back to GT2 much more often than GT3, just for the variety of cars (though I should have played some GT3 just for the soundtrack).

Anyway, there are very clear arguments for both sides here. Either PD can remove all standards for the sake of consistency, or they can keep them all for the sake of more content. Different people have different interests in the game, as some are concerned with graphical quality, while others are obsessed with automotive history and want to see as much variety as possible (me). They can't satisfy both without delaying the game way too long.

One thing I will admit is that I will feel strange driving the standards knowing that they may not be accurate in terms of the physics model. But I already feel that way driving any car in GT5, and I will always feel that way as long as physics in game is not 100% realistic. So that's something I'll have to deal with anyway.

I want all the interesting cars to become premiums eventually, but I will have to wait for that. Now, PD could wait until they have finished all the premiums before realeasing GT6, or they could release GT6 now and wait until GT7 to get all the premiums done. Either way, we'd have to wait for the premiums to come. Personally, I'd prefer to have something in between to satisfy me with more realistic physics and other things, then get all the pretty premiums in GT7 when they're good and ready. That's just me.

 

[davelis]

if we have more than 100+ "new" or "premiumized" cars on top of those in GT5, surely most fans will be happy. that's what it is!

 

[GTRACER1998]

if we have more than 100+ "new" or "premiumized" cars on top of those in GT5, surely most fans will be happy. that's what it is!

I'm happy, and not only that, but we will be getting monthly DLC! 👍

 

[diegorborges]

And cars like the E30 M3 just can't stay nonexistent.

"The most wanted" car on the wishlist simply can't remain absent. If it doesn't come to GT6 it'll be a big mistake... looks like they are aware of the stuff we want, so I really believe it'll happen for the E30 M3 this time. believe!

But what I really dream, is to see an E36 M3 in Gran Turismo. That's my dream car... if PD do it, they can have my babies.

if veyron stay standart, i gonna hunt all pd

I still think the Veyron is just a supersonic brick, but for the sheer power and technical achievement that it is, it's a shame it being standard. Really a dropped ball from PD in this case, because the Veyron it's that kind of super-hero that all children like to choose in fighting games. It simply can't be neglected.

 

[freshseth83]

Theres a new racing game without cockpit view, and its not GT6 Does that mean those cars aren't "premium"? Im glad we'll get to customize these standards. BTW, the duplicate car list has a special car thats the same but different. The Nissan Fairlady Z LM/350Z LM. The Fairlady LM has more 'downforce points' and a higher PP than the 350Z LM.

 

[Dan_]

@diegorborges: Not only that, the interior is exquisitely crafted and arguably the most interesting part of the car design-wise.

But still, if Kaz claims that changes have been made to close in the gap between Standards and Premiums I can only applaud.

 

[SlowInFastOut]

How is the MKIV Supra not premium?! One of the most popular Japanese cars of ALL TIME, especially when at least 50% of the car has apparently already been modeled for the premium JGTC/SGT versions, PD's logic..."Oh we'll update this Alpine that no one cares about or asked for".

 

[Tvensky]

It sayd that the level of detail on new standard cars will change, so they will upgrade car body, but will not model interior, so in the end we will get proper graphics for cars but not all of them will have cock pit view...

 

[C_Raccoon23]

How is the MKIV Supra not premium?! One of the most popular Japanese cars of ALL TIME, especially when at least 50% of the car has apparently already been modeled for the premium JGTC/SGT versions, PD's logic..."Oh we'll update this Alpine that no one cares about or asked for".

The Countach and Alpine aren't the only standards that were made premium, surely. Let's wait for more info instead of getting ahead of ourselves.

 

[analog]

How is the MKIV Supra not premium?! One of the most popular Japanese cars of ALL TIME, especially when at least 50% of the car has apparently already been modeled for the premium JGTC/SGT versions, PD's logic..."Oh we'll update this Alpine that no one cares about or asked for".

How do you know it's not Premium? We've only seen the Alpine and Countach so far which doesn't mean they're the only ones.
And nobody cares about that Alpine? Are you kidding me? I for one will drive it much more than a Premium mkIV Supra that's for sure, it's one of the Standard cars (the A310 as well) I really wanted to become Premium first.

And that's not just me being odd or liking obscure cars, it's a legendary car winning many rally championships and it's gorgeous to look at as well.

One thing though, Alpine is often being regarded as being the French Porsche (with being RR and all) and with the Dino included as well (which was aimed to be a 911-competitor in period), that'll probably mean we don't get Porsche again (no surprises there).

 

[Exorcet]

You are basically playing a PS2 game

No, you can't classify a PS2 game by graphics alone. All the standard cars are, are a lowered polygon count in the grand scheme of things. It's a trivial difference as far as I'm concerned. A PS2 game would be GT5's premium cars with GT3 physics IMO.

 

[GTPorsche]

Until they show more cars off, it's pointless to complain about a car possibly not being "premium" at this point.