Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA)
- Thread starter tlowr4
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I'm in the UK! ACTA you aren't stoping me!
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- GR-MI-USA
- YSSMAN
- YSSMAN
Free to sign, and then create legislation to enforce the laws as they interpret them. Don't get me wrong, ACTA is very much worth fighting against, but in most places where nations have signed-on to this... Which is otherwise a trade agreement... There is still quite some time to shape the legislation that will eventually affect them.
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- Central Coast, NSW
- Com_Fox5
- EelX 5
After it was destroyed, SOPA is back and is really annoying people.
Some links might not be suitable, viewer discretion advised
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/07/unauthorized-streaming-felony_n_3720479.html
Sadly, people are saying this'll effect people out of America.
Petition to end it: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-sopa-2013/LMzMVrQF.
Some links might not be suitable, viewer discretion advised
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/07/unauthorized-streaming-felony_n_3720479.html
Sadly, people are saying this'll effect people out of America.
Petition to end it: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-sopa-2013/LMzMVrQF.
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- Panama City, FL
If you're going to say "SOPA is back, the sky is falling" perhaps it would be more usesful to have current references in your links, and not stuff at least a year old. And the first one has nothing to do with SOPA anyway. The ransomware virus was not put out there by the government!
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- Australia
Wow, after reading through quite a lot of this thread, I am left astonished at how feebly people have argued against SOPA. Piracy, it seems, is deeply entrenched in most people's way of life. The ugly side of piracy is all too familiar to me, and it has devastating results.
Shame on you.
Shame on you.
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- HamiltonMP427
Care to share and inform people instead of standing on your SOPA Box
Seriously though care to explain how it devastated your life. Also did you read anything about how the RIAA are pulling the strings on these type of proposals along with other big groups and leaked documents show that SOPA/PIPA wouldn't have worked from the RIAA's own people...
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Care to share and inform people instead of standing on your SOPA Box
Seriously though care to explain how it devastated your life. Also did you read anything about how the RIAA are pulling the strings on these type of proposals along with other big groups and leaked documents show that SOPA/PIPA wouldn't have worked from the RIAA's own people...
"All too familiar" - I don't know how many times I have had the experience of: "Ah look, yet another pirate mob selling on ebay the album that I recorded, for a quarter of the normal price. Nice to know that someone is making some money out my blood, sweat, and tears". Also, as soon as an upload of a full album put on Youtube is removed, another takes it's place.
"Devastating results" - I will not use mine, but the most horrific official figures I know of. An artist that I knew ended up selling around 2% of what they had, pre modern piracy. That is based on official figures from the accountant, and juxtaposed with a dramatic increase in popularity. Imagining devastating results should not be difficult.
People like DK throw around their "All these measures do is screw over the average Internet user", but the human toll on the other side of that kind of selfish dismissiveness is something few would want to answer for. Presented with the real life fallout, only the most utterly cold hearted individual would not question their own actions, and certainly their attitude.
If people truly believe that SOPA is the wrong path to the right result, argue at least equally for the right path. Frankly though, I've not seen a lot of that in this thread.
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- HamiltonMP427
Um this type of sharing has gone on for years, you aren't anything new and to sit their as if mix tapes and record making to share with people just started in 99 or 00 is silly. Also why do artist seem fine with piracy or music sharing? Why aren't record companies in shambles? Also why are you using what seems to be empathy charged rhetoric to combat others that aren't? I mean if you want some impact show some facts.
What right path is there? Every time on this thread I've felt that I'm arguing the factual correct and that is against SOPA/PIPA/ACTA because of a control issue and more grabbing at civil liberties. I personally don't download free music but at the same time I don't buy a ton of it and only buy maybe 1 or 2 albums a year, or I listen to my pandora.
Anyways, you still haven't explained that if this was a method to balance out the market, then the RIAA wouldn't be trying the control the environment. (well they would be but it is obvious they're using lobbying to do so.) And with other internet control measures what kind of oversight are you aware of that would make sure this is done correctly. The issue here is while I understand your charge at the same time your crying foul without giving any ability to remedy the situation yourself.
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Hence my carefully worded: "pre modern piracy". Net difference is what matters, is it not? 2%, seriously, two percent.
Surely you can equate this to opportunistic illegal activity? A click of a button is about as easy as it gets.
A little thing called fear, mostly. I wouldn't dare deride piracy in a non-anonymous arena. Some survive on merchandise, but see below*.
How many do you deal with? I know (and know of) many that are. Maybe the big ones find a way, but the small/medium ones are on borrowed time. Many surviving by further strangling their artists. Advances are all but a thing of the past for many record labels.
*Contracts are tending to stitch in exclusive rights to selling an artist's merchandise.
More like empathy seeking rhetoric, but I honestly don't know why I am even trying. People generally filter out what is uncomfortable. I'm not aware that any large scale facts/stats are available, but the truth is no doubt in the numbers that appear on so many artists' statements. It's your choice whether or not to have empathy.
I don't think the situation will be remedied, and I don't know how it could be done. Is something only unfair if there is a solution?
Mule - I must concede that I am thoroughly defeated by your particular brand of genius.
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- HamiltonMP427
What about when I share a CD with friends and they burn it (haven't done that in years since I buy digital)? Even if they aren't going to a share site they are getting the music for free, and that's the thing no matter what you do there are going to be ways, and I ask how do you fix it?
So when Dave Grohl calls the industry on the BS they pull and other artist do a make your own price or give away music for free, they are doing this out of fear? Where are you getting that logic from if they are?
So one must be in the industry, surely news outlets would be talking about this, don't turn this into an elitist "well I'm there and your not so don't talk about it cause none of you even know!" I mean I'm really trying to hear you out and giving you a chance but you're not giving any cohesive evidence to sway people.
This seems like back peddling and more rhetoric rather than any conclusive proof. When the RIAA says that this wouldn't work the group that lobbied for it to further control climate, I'm not filtering out anything I don't have any sympathy there are still plenty of people making it big on music and it has long been known that tours and shows are what make the money over record sales which is what pads RIAA groups. Also if you're not aware of facts how can you be sure of what exactly the truth is?
No one said it was. However, why not be more progressive in thought and rather than purely complaining (it's fine to complain but don't only do that) and try to figure out something.
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