TCV5 HURRY THE HELL UP thread

[Adamgp]

I'm real happy with scoring a 59 in lightweight. I took a chance with entering the TVR, as I figured the majority of the field would be S2000's, Elise's and Opels, I wanted to do something different.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I'm real happy with scoring a 59 in lightweight. I took a chance with entering the TVR, as I figured the majority of the field would be S2000's, Elise's and Opels, I wanted to do something different.

I tried the TVR actually, was a nice car, just wasn't fast enough without winging it and adding the wing didn't do enough for lap times to make up for the lost feel and I didn't want to bother retuning to fix that lol.

 

[Jonn 79]

Thanks go out to Parnelli Bone for reviewing my DC5R.

Your comments were very spot on, especially with regards to toe and camber settings.

I just kinda got lost somewhere along the way trying to lower my lap times i.e. kept trying to increase the corner stability instead hurting other parts of the car - grip, braking and accelerating.

It is very true that the front wheel drives were hit the most but in all honesty i wanted to make a second entry at FWD for lightweight till i read the rules haha. I actually tried to setup the car to use the rumble strips wherever i could trying to get the car to hop to give me a little advantage, rather than tuning it to be smooth.

Oh well here's hoping for TCV6!

Thanks again for the review and the kind comments about my car being better than stock!

 

[mafia_boy]

And that's why I kept laughing at you guys that were concentrating ONLY on the 20% from the laptime. KOW & PF both proved very convincingly that if you concentrated on the other areas that the laptime would become a by-product of that tuning.

From reading PB's comments, I seriously hope I don't have a similar experience to him with some of your rides, some of the aura of your rides are going thanks to his dissemination of your cars.

 

[ABud]

Thanks to PB from me too, im glad you enjoyed my insane Stratos 👍. It's a risky entry that may score very badly if people don't like crazy cars and it's also pretty much my first attempt at tuning so 73 is great

Ps. we got almost identical best laps (1'26.644 vs 1'26.638!)

 

[Jonn 79]

Well either way being that my DC5R is a FWD it wasn't exactly going to score well in all areas, as mentioned in PB judging posts, especially going up against MRs and FRs.

 

[mafia_boy]

Not exactly Jonn and allow me to explain why.

The main worry was dealing with your handling, that's essential for any FF and the rest would've been a by-product of it. The better it handled, the faster it would've gone, the more versatile it would've made it, a better laptime would've ensued and it would improve even more than currently.

Just one area would've helped greatly to all the others. It's weird but it's how it rolls with those cars. RWD's are a different kettle of fish, you can make it go fast but still handle like a bucket of crap!

 

[Skygrasper550]

only 41?? I expected a score of around 60..,

@ Parnelli Bone - the reason why I put in ballast is that I wanted to eliminate the wheelspin and add traction.., sure, I got what I wanted, at the expense of speed.., I always knew my Spoon EK9 lacks speed..,

 

[VTiRoj]

I knew the S2000 was going to score little to nothing in terms of improvement, it is an S2000 afterall. I'm happy with a mere 70 though.

Oh, and the stock S2000 is too heavy for lightweight, that explains the useage of the Amuse. 👍

 

[Lucas]

I can't wait for the middleweight results. Even though my heart says the Corvette will do great, Parnelli is likely going to find problems in it. I can't wait to start working on those problems!

 

[Jonn 79]

Mafs, while handling played a big part i had trouble giving it the versatility it needed. It was very much a one race line pony (one trick pony). I guess that kinda goes with the way i drive, which is pretty much one way too haha!

 

[mafia_boy]

I'll wait until I judge your car personally Jonn before I continue this properly because from PB's comments I can see where the advantages could've been made in your car. But it's hard to explain based on other people's comments so when I do it (about 10-13 days from now) I'll give you the full breakdown on it.

 

[mafia_boy]

@ in.s@ne (sorry folks, we're taking a conversation in.s@ne and I were having FROM premium to open slather )

With the TVR, it's an easy car to overlook the V8S since the Griffith is the usual weapon of choice for a used early 90's TVR. It's found in dribs and drabs throughout, usually around the end of some 10 week periods (70, 420, 490, 560) but a real drought between days 114-357 (only 3 times it's in the lot in that period).

As for me with getting into TCv5 judging, what makes it suck here at the moment is that I have the PS2 packed up 10ft from me nearly all day and I'm scared to take it out incase I misplace something and forget to take it up with me. I'd love to be judging TCv5 right now and get it over with. I'm 1/2 tempted to just go ahead with it now, but I've got the stuff all neatly packed away.

 

[Leonidae]

Doubleposting is bad, you naughty greasemonkey, you..

 

[mafia_boy]

Quiet you, I've asked the admins this personally so bite me. Just doing double/triple posting within a 5 minute span like you're spamming is not allowed. 👎 If it's to continue a point and as told to me "to keep sub-threads clearer" then it's more than allowed. 👍

Besides, I didn't want to clog up a premium thread regarding a different subject with myself & ins@ne mentioning anything about TCv5 or that, so I shifted it into here and had to double post as a result.

Also, the TCv5 judges (macca, PB, ins@ne and myself) have permission to post as many times in a row as we see fit in the judging & results thread to give you guys as much information as we can about the judging results so you can all be happy little monkeys and get the full breakdown on your rides from all of us.

 

[PF]

I had a good look at the V8S as well. In fact I bought four of them and spent over 1mil cr testing hardware configurations; then adamgp entered one and I ditched the idea. I really think it has potential and will use them to experiment with Aspec races (any suggestions welcome).

 

[Adamgp]

Sorry I messed up your plans PF.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

so, lack of power killed the SC eh? funny that you mention that you felt the need to upshift so lot, since it has plenty of low down grunt thanks to the supercharger. But, on fast track like Motegi it wasn't needed too often. No regrets though. I expect similar fate for the SW20 SC..

Yea I remember you telling me this earlier. Didn't matter when I shifted...high or low...I still got similar lap times.

Interesting results from the pair of Lighters.



One last minor issue, Parnelli: A stock differential is NOT an open differential in all cases. Most older cars and pretty much every economy car has an open differential however anything sporting in nature or newish will have some sort of limited slip.

I know this...when did I say stock always=open? I don't recall doing so.

By the way, I adjusted the BATTLE MONSTER scores (and therefore total scores) for your Blue Lighter and Lime Lighter automobiles. Somehow I got my math wrong when I was scoring those.

The same is with ABS in this game. Scaff, if I recall correctly, said in his tuning guides that every car on GT4 seemed to be equiped with ABS.

Yea...all cars in GT games have a rudimentary ABS system equipped--hence there's never any locked brakes under pressure. 👎 I understand that in GT5P, we have (finally) the option of turning ABS off, which is the ONLY reason I may finally wind up getting a wheel.

And I'm really glad you liked our car Parnelli. We put over 600km on it during testing, so would have been gutted if we came last.

I'm also delighted that you found it acting more like a rear engine car with the ballast because that is precisely the effect I was aiming for. In fact I started the balance at 30, then moved to 35 and 37 before settling on 40.



Brilliant, this was exactly what I was going for. It's an unusual approach, and could easily have been a colossal failure, but thankfully it worked out. It also seems to be the only one to get into the 1:25s - low 1:25s in fact. Nice driving, PB.

Yea, I thought I might have probs with yours, it was a surprise I didn't have the ones I was expecting (spin-outs and stuff). But I found it way easy to get to 1:25. If I had sat there for hours, no doubt I could have eked a high 1:24 But, got others to judge and stuff, so had to move on.

WHo is this mysterious "Dr. James", anyways?

I'm honestly shocked that the Opel was scored as high as it was; I guess Mr. Bones liked it as much as we ("We" being myself and MIKEY BE) did! And Props to Parnellie for lapping in the 1'26's with it!👍 The one thing about the car was that the final Set-Up for it...Was kinda De-Tuned from where i had it originally.

Now, i'm a pretty "Edgy" kind of driver and (Not to boast or anything i can seemingly get more out of an ill-handling car in GT4 than most (At least that's what my dad says!), but i felt that the Speedster was just a little TOO edgy for review, so we worked on making it more "Friendly" to drive...So much so that i beat my best Lap Time with the new settings!

Anyways, there's still a LONG ways to go...Aren't there going to be four more sets of reviews for the Lightweight Class before the run-off happens?

I'm real happy with scoring a 59 in lightweight. I took a chance with entering the TVR, as I figured the majority of the field would be S2000's, Elise's and Opels, I wanted to do something different.

...and like I said, I really enjoyed driving this one on a personal level. I'm pretty sure I could have beat the BATTLE MONSTER if I sat there and really tried to garner a perfect lap. But, if I had done that, there's a chance Lightweight scores might not be up yet.

only 41?? I expected a score of around 60..,

@ Parnelli Bone - the reason why I put in ballast is that I wanted to eliminate the wheelspin and add traction.., sure, I got what I wanted, at the expense of speed.., I always knew my Spoon EK9 lacks speed..,

Sorry man..it's a front-drive in a field of rear-drives with less cornering issues. FF lap times are remarkably slower, and I factored in lap times (comparing all cars to one another, or trying to do so as best I could)) into my score. *shrugs* All the front-drive cars simply can't keep up with the rear-drives. I'm not gonna ignore this. You did get a good mark on Versatility, and better overall marks than the other FF cars because the Spoon happens to have many admirable traits...

In fact, I did raise your Handling score by four points, because I'm realizing there wasn't much to criticize in this regard. This is something I missed the other day and I apologize.

If this test were FF-only, I surely could have represented the Spoon higher. It's everyone else who ruined your score, dude.

I'M KIDDING

I can't wait for the middleweight results. Even though my heart says the Corvette will do great, Parnelli is likely going to find problems in it. I can't wait to start working on those problems!

....I ain't saying nothing yet.

I was driving your car last nite...almost beat your lap time...and then something funny happened. I started feeling queazy. I went to stand up and nearly lost my balance! For real, now. I was so dizzy, I had to turn off the TV and go to bed immediately. I attribute this to all the meds in my system right now from catching Swine Flu (if that's indeed what I had).

 

[Leonidae]

^oink oink?

 

[mcsqueegy]

....I ain't saying nothing yet.

I was driving your car last nite...almost beat your lap time...and then something funny happened. I started feeling queazy. I went to stand up and nearly lost my balance! For real, now. I was so dizzy, I had to turn off the TV and go to bed immediately. I attribute this to all the meds in my system right now from catching Swine Flu (if that's indeed what I had).

Oh come on, his lap time isn't that hard to beat... I almost got 1'20's . There's also another middleweight that's doing high 1'21's... and no, it's not an NSX . I've almost finished judging lightweight and middleweight. Expect some amazing laptimes, too, I can't wait to see what the supercars can do!

Anyway, hope you're getting better soon Parnelli, it's not a good time to be sick!

 

[CamryFan]

I can't wait to see what the supercars can do!

Then you'll be sorely disappointed.

I hope the judges find my XR8 somewhat slightly entertaining.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

^oink oink?

Yea. I gotta stop kissing pigs.

Oh come on, his lap time isn't that hard to beat... I almost got 1'20's .

yea...maybe for you

Anyway, hope you're getting better soon Parnelli, it's not a good time to be sick!

I'm actually mostly better. Fever's gone, coughing is minimal, only prob is my sinuses are a little sore. I took a slew of medication from July 4th till Wednesday, and I think my body was still working thru all of it.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I know this...when did I say stock always=open? I don't recall doing so.

You didn't, but you seemingly implied it when looking at the Lighters.

I noticed there was no limited-slip device installed, so I didn't use one. The Limelighter (no surprise) didn't need it, anyways.

The Blue Lighter is slightly less versatile than the Lime Lighter, mostly because it's got a limited-slip. Even tho I could manage a better lap time in RJ's car, I had to be more careful while navigating those corners. But while driving for fun, sport, or Best Lap times, the Blue Lighter feels almost as versatile.

The thing is here, the stock Amuse (and every other S2000) has a limited slip diff, it just doesn't act the same as the clutch-pack limited slip available to us. My main gripe with it is unpredictability and the way it acts if you DO manage to lose grip. In fact, it's easier to initially lose traction with that Torsen setup than with an open differential. Basically, it applies more torque to the inside tire than the outside until said inside tire slips, at which point it gets spun up to the same speed as the outside tire and the greater torque level goes to the outside tire. It breaks free and all hell breaks loose, car goes sideways, etc etc.

And with the Torsen setup in use it was indeed possible to get some slip and thereby "snap" from the car; crack off the gas, turn in, rear slides, nail the gas, inside occasionally manages to light up while the outside is sliding as well, outside lights up, bang.

Next time I'll do whatever is absolutely best rather than most friendly. Because as you saw, the Torsen does work better as long as you can keep traction.

 

[Lucas]

Oh come on, his lap time isn't that hard to beat... I almost got 1'20's .

Nice to see it's a freaking fast car. 👍 Maybe it's just 20% of the score, but along with improvement over stock, it's all that matters in a race. Along with versatily, but with a guy as me who always stays in the racing line, I find it kinda useless

Anyways, I didn't tried very hard on the lap. Just a few laps if I recall correctly (4-7) to set a benchmark time. The problem is that, if we were to have holl01 on the car, he would set incredible times that we wouldn't be able to attain. So I try to keep attainable (is that even a word? ) times for everyone.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

You didn't, but you seemingly implied it when looking at the Lighters.

Well, I happen to know some cars have limited-slip even when stock. I've been reading Road and Track since I was 13, and I'm 42 now. I've also studied (in detail) many many cars (probably thousands by now) which have appeared in the GT series. In other words, whenever I buy a car in Gran Turismo, I'll actually sit there for an hour or 2 looking up all its specs (including what kind of diff it has) and writing them down on some pre-printed sheets I made with a PageMaker program, because this makes the game seem more "real" to me. lol I didn't do this for the Amuse because I need to put as much energy into judging & driving as possible, and to write a spec sheet would slow all this down, but this don't mean I'd just assume it's got an open diff! lol

It's a tuner car....chances of it having an open diff when stock are just about nil.

What I meant in my comments was that the Lime Lighter has slightly more native flexibility, whereas I noticed the blue Lighter gets ever-so-slightly more understeery. It's not huge amounts of understeer, but I noticed I did need to be slightlly more careful when applying gas out of most tighter areas. I equate this to the fact that your car has a limited-slip in place because you bought and put one there, wheras VTiROj's car simply has its "stock" diff in place, which allows more flexibility as modeled by PD.

The difference is, of course, very minor. But like I said, I noticed there was a small difference. tup

The thing is here, the stock Amuse (and every other S2000) has a limited slip diff, it just doesn't act the same as the clutch-pack limited slip available to us. My main gripe with it is unpredictability and the way it acts if you DO manage to lose grip. In fact, it's easier to initially lose traction with that Torsen setup than with an open differential. Basically, it applies more torque to the inside tire than the outside until said inside tire slips, at which point it gets spun up to the same speed as the outside tire and the greater torque level goes to the outside tire. It breaks free and all hell breaks loose, car goes sideways, etc etc.

And with the Torsen setup in use it was indeed possible to get some slip and thereby "snap" from the car; crack off the gas, turn in, rear slides, nail the gas, inside occasionally manages to light up while the outside is sliding as well, outside lights up, bang.

Next time I'll do whatever is absolutely best rather than most friendly. Because as you saw, the Torsen does work better as long as you can keep traction.

I had no prob with your car, honestly....that understeer I mentioned cost literally one docked point. but the fact was, i had a harder time with the Lime Lighter because it can't handle the rumblies with as much grace and its steering was grabbier. I had a harder time overall driving it, hence it had more points docked for Handling than yours did.

 

[VTiRoj]

I'm still laughing at myself forgetting to list the carbon driveshaft.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I'm still laughing at myself forgetting to list the carbon driveshaft.

Ah man...I didn't know you forgot!

 

[VTiRoj]

Ah man...I didn't know you forgot!

Yeah, totally my bad there.

I admit my mistake, it'll be fun to see how my car does without it.

 

[mcsqueegy]

Nice to see it's a freaking fast car. 👍 Maybe it's just 20% of the score, but along with improvement over stock, it's all that matters in a race. Along with versatily, but with a guy as me who always stays in the racing line, I find it kinda useless

Anyways, I didn't tried very hard on the lap. Just a few laps if I recall correctly (4-7) to set a benchmark time. The problem is that, if we were to have holl01 on the car, he would set incredible times that we wouldn't be able to attain. So I try to keep attainable (is that even a word? ) times for everyone.

Thing is, I have no choice but to set fast laps. I spent a lot of time on the benchmark cars, and therefore I have to spend heaps of time with the entries 👍. Besides, the lightweight benchmark is quite a fast car already, so I want to beat it as much as possible just for points

 

[Parnelli Bone]

So for mazdaman's entry, I take it to mean he wants us to use the RX8 Concept we win from the Easy Tsukuba Wet race? That seems to be the only one with a 2001 model year. Or does it make a difference? I've got several RX8s, but apparently I dont have a concept.

Will only take 5 minutes to win another one, of course, I'm just being lazy for the moment.