TCV5 HURRY THE HELL UP thread

[VTiRoj]

Read, Roj, read. There is no NTSC 6.2 miler.

I know, I'm just giving friendly advice about day skipping.

Funny how the moment Parnelli posts, everyone is now in the judging thread spamming F5.

Edit: O.o?

 

[Rotary Junkie]

bah, as if it's my fault that you guys don't live in the civilized Europe.

As if it's our fault you didn't make sure your car exists in other versions of the game.

 

[Aremburgkerve]

bah, as if it's my fault that you guys don't live in the civilized Europe.

Yeah. PD obviously liked us more. First they give us the 6.2 miler, then they give an easier M34.....

Parnelli, your judging is like my essay-writing. Seriously. I don't know if you all judge like that because that must have taken ages.

 

[VTiRoj]

As if it's our fault you didn't make sure your car exists in other versions of the game.

This is why generally I stick to new cars for TC's. At least in the garage threads we can tweak cars any time we want to compensate for less power due to PAL/NTSC differences.

 

[mafia_boy]

Stop whinging women. This is why I put the LOWEST score dropped factor in. I knew we were dealing with both NTSC & PAL formats with our judges....Parnelli has NTSC, us three Aussie's have PAL and thus, not all of the cars would or could be judged as their current specs. 👍

If I used the 10.0km 2001 Bathurst R, Parnelli would once again have to use the 20000km example. No real biggie, I mean it IS only 5% less power, so you'd be looking at a less than 20hp drop Leo in real terms and I don't think it will affect the handling or acceleration in any real way, just the overall laptime might be a few tenths slower but that's no real difference either as each 0.50sec is a point either way, so if you go from 3.9sec faster to 3.5sec faster per lap, your laptime score WILL be the same....but once again, that's where our driving abilities come into play.

Also, because macca, in.s@ne & I all have PAL, you WILL get three of us using a 6.2mile/10.0km example of every car.

Aremburgkerve, read previous TC's for how I judge cars, it's not like Parnelli's (ie.it's not an essay ) but it is a detailed review of what I think of cars in the past. 👍

 

[Paulie]

I just remembered my Merc's gearbox will almost certainly be too long for this track. Oh I was nowhere near as good at tuning back then.

 

[PF]

Serious f5 action from this direction.

Effit, I'll fire up the PS2...

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Read, Roj, read. There is no NTSC 6.2 miler.

Also, Parnelli, where's the scoring #s? Are you going to put them with the cars or instead just count them up at the end?

What I'm gonna do is put everything up at once...my "essay", my scoring, and the winner of each category. I was gonna do this car by car, but as I started yesterday, I realized it would seem unfair. So when I'm done editing the Lightweights, and know how I want to score everything, it'll all be up.

As far as Leon's car goes, I told him I'm gonna try and search for the lowest-mileage version I can find. I know I saw a 21K-ish MR2 G-limited yesterday as I was searching.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Lowest mileage is 22k or so at day 659-665.

However the mileage past about 15k on used cars generally has no effect :/

 

[Lucas]

Yeah, you are wasting your time, Parnelli.

I agree with VTiRoj, by the way. I only tune new cars, just because there can't be a problem with them.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I just rock high mileage if it's gonna be used ^^

It's only a bit of power loss.

 

[mafia_boy]

AND if you're clever like Camryfan is for TCv5, and like I am over at GME, you would be giving the stats for BOTH the high mileage and the 10.0km examples where it's possible so there's no problems either way. I've done that for the ST165 GT-Four, S14 Silvia Q's and the '92 NSX Type R, and you can do it for the S13's, the AW11 & SW20 MR2's & craploads of Civic's/CRX's/Integra's.

@ PF for his earlier F5 comment. You'll see more discussion action after judging properly commences with all four of us putting up results.

 

[Lucas]

Ahhhhh... It's a good thing I never waste my time on japanese cars, which is basically the only thing on the used car lots. Only manufacturers worth the trouble in those lots are Lotus, TVR, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz

 

[mafia_boy]

You miss out on a LOT of great rides then C-L. I'd pick the 10.0km Accord Euro-R '00 in the late '90s car lot over the '02 model Accord Euro-R in New Cars ANYDAY!! Test them both back to back and you'll see the difference. Also, the R32 & R33 GT-R's, the Evo 6 TME, cars like that....very very yummy and great to drive. 👍

There's a few good cars I like from back in the day....here in Australia on the streets all our choices really are between the Aussie cars (Commodore/Falcon) or anything from Japan & Asia (Euro's are too cost prohibitive) so whenever I see them in the car lot on GT4, I snap them up straightaway!!

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Yeah, you are wasting your time, Parnelli.

I agree with VTiRoj, by the way. I only tune new cars, just because there can't be a problem with them.

Lowest mileage is 22k or so at day 659-665.

However the mileage past about 15k on used cars generally has no effect :/

Okay. Thanks guys.

 

[Lucas]

You miss out on a LOT of great rides then C-L. I'd pick the 10.0km Accord Euro-R '00 in the late '90s car lot over the '02 model Accord Euro-R in New Cars ANYDAY!! Test them both back to back and you'll see the difference. Also, the R32 & R33 GT-R's, the Evo 6 TME, cars like that....very very yummy and great to drive. 👍

The only japanese cars I like (surprise) are the Honda NSX-R and the Honda S2000. Good looking and handling cars. RWD none the less.

There's a few good cars I like from back in the day....here in Australia on the streets all our choices really are between the Aussie cars (Commodore/Falcon) or anything from Japan & Asia (Euro's are too cost prohibitive) so whenever I see them in the car lot on GT4, I snap them up straightaway!!

Here in Argentina on the streets all our choices are between Peugeot, Renault, Ford, Chevrolet and Volkswagen. Sometimes you can see a few Alfa Romeo's, BMW's, Mercedes-Benz's, but those are for the relatively rich (in argentine terms) people.

 

[VTiRoj]

The only japanese cars I like (surprise) are the Honda NSX-R and the Honda S2000. Good looking and handling cars. FR none the less.

I think you should change "FR" to "RWD", 'cause the NSX is a midship.

 

[Lucas]

Oh, dear RWD, I thought I was done with that mistake

 

[mafia_boy]

Parnelli, I'm just reviewing your judging for RJ & Roj. The BM scores are just a little off and thus RJ & roj deserve more than you've given them.

The scores would be:
roj - 12/20
RJ - 14/20

So boys, bump that score of PB's up by 2 points each just from the miscalculation of the BM scoring. 👍 I'm looking out to make sure we do have a parity between the four of us judges when it comes to the BM time/score.

 

[a112]

Nice write up Parnelli,although i have to disagree with you on few points there.
1-way LSD is not an ON/OFF switch,at least not in real life.
Anyway,if you really want to know why i don't use FC gearbox,it's because i find it very unrealistic.

Cheers.

 

[Lucas]

Alriiiiiiiight! I have to drive that Elise Type 72 that got such a score! 👍 Honestly, I had no doubts an Elise would be one of the fastest cars in the lightweight category.

 

[Leonidae]

so, lack of power killed the SC eh? funny that you mention that you felt the need to upshift so lot, since it has plenty of low down grunt thanks to the supercharger. But, on fast track like Motegi it wasn't needed too often. No regrets though. I expect similar fate for the SW20 SC..

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Interesting results from the pair of Lighters.

Unfortunately, these cars are difficult to improve on as you noticed because of the immense grip levels available, and the absolutely GUTLESS F20 powerplant does not deliver anywhere near the go it should despite the on-the-limit power level and great P:W ratio (as an example, the Stratos I tested was capable of high 11 second 1/4 mile times with the same power and more weight whereas the Stook gets high 12s at best despite both cars having impeccable launch traction).


One last minor issue, Parnelli: A stock differential is NOT an open differential in all cases. Most older cars and pretty much every economy car has an open differential however anything sporting in nature or newish will have some sort of limited slip.

 

[Lucas]

The same is with ABS in this game. Scaff, if I recall correctly, said in his tuning guides that every car on GT4 seemed to be equiped with ABS.

 

[PF]

Congratulations Kingofweasles! That's a bloody good score.

And I'm really glad you liked our car Parnelli. We put over 600km on it during testing, so would have been gutted if we came last.

I'm also delighted that you found it acting more like a rear engine car with the ballast because that is precisely the effect I was aiming for. In fact I started the balance at 30, then moved to 35 and 37 before settling on 40.

And that rear-end weight definately plays a huge factor; swinging the car around at times mid-corner. Surprisingly, I could work with this; it actually helps at times. I never had any fear of spins, back-end sliding, or other assorted nonsense like I expected.

Brilliant, this was exactly what I was going for. It's an unusual approach, and could easily have been a colossal failure, but thankfully it worked out. It also seems to be the only one to get into the 1:25s - low 1:25s in fact. Nice driving, PB.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

The same is with ABS in this game. Scaff, if I recall correctly, said in his tuning guides that every car on GT4 seemed to be equiped with ABS.

No it's nothing at all like the ABS.

Cars that would have a limited slip factory differential have one; those that do not do not.

Muscle cars were available with positraction differentials but it wasn't so common.

 

[CamryFan]

Big Thanks to Mr Bone for his comprehensive write up and congrats to PF and King of Weasles.

Rebutle time.

Yes I might have somewhat killed the Elise but that's because I always hated it somewhat. You should have noticed that there was NO lift off oversteer, at least no uncontrollable lift of oversteer and that's something I set out to remove when I tuned the car.

After all these years (or two anyway) who would have thought my talent would be transmissions. If you liked that one, hopefully you'll like the next one in the RX-7 as well.

The weight was an afterthought. It is "very important" not for any other reason as too get that car into the required weight category. I chucked it in the front of the car to give it more front end grip so it did what it was required to do even if it offset the car slightly.

Yay! Last of the rear drivers.

 

[Kingofweasles]

Congratulations Kingofweasles! That's a bloody good score.

I'm honestly shocked that the Opel was scored as high as it was; I guess Mr. Bones liked it as much as we ("We" being myself and MIKEY BE) did! And Props to Parnellie for lapping in the 1'26's with it!👍 The one thing about the car was that the final Set-Up for it...Was kinda De-Tuned from where i had it originally.

Now, i'm a pretty "Edgy" kind of driver and (Not to boast or anything i can seemingly get more out of an ill-handling car in GT4 than most (At least that's what my dad says!), but i felt that the Speedster was just a little TOO edgy for review, so we worked on making it more "Friendly" to drive...So much so that i beat my best Lap Time with the new settings!

Anyways, there's still a LONG ways to go...Aren't there going to be four more sets of reviews for the Lightweight Class before the run-off happens?

 

[in.s@ne]

Each judge runs the cars seperately I believe, to find an overall winner for each category. I think...

Touge style, but each Judge does it

 

[mafia_boy]

Sort of.

We as the judges have to tally up the scores FIRST of all the cars, then the top two scores of the FINAL TOTAL will have to duel it out. So although KOW & PF have the lead at the moment from PB's scores and would be PB's choices for the final battle, that can change once macca, ins@ne & I have our results up.

After all four judges have put their scores in, you will know who the final two are to have that final battle for that category and all four of us will then race those two head to head and give our final verdict. Until then, it's still speculation as to who the finalists will be. 👍 But it's looking pretty good so far, there's only a 15 point gap between the Top 5.