That's it I'm DONE with Daily Races and FIA Demolition Derbies

[VFOURMAX1]

Actually with the ranking system there should never be more than one class upgrade in the same race. DR class D should never have any class higher than C running in their races.

Dr class C should never have higher than class B be in their races and so forth.

Drivers in all classes would like to finish at or near the front at times. When a D class driver has 2 class A, 4 class B and 6 class C running in the same race as they are then any hope of a top 5 are pretty non existent.

I can understand putting a rabbit in at times to push the faster class D racers but that rabbit should be class C racers for the class D guys not class A racers whom the D guys should not be running anywhere near the same lap times.

The whole purpose of having rankings is so that people can race against people of close skill levels and have tight racing and a chance to win once in a while if you do well.

That is not happening now for the D and C guys running every race with A class racers in the mix.

 

[Laserbeak43]

I've only read the first post, but these are the test races... who knows how things will turn out in the future. Hope to see you on the track!

 

[Adrenaline]

Actually with the ranking system there should never be more than one class upgrade in the same race. DR class D should never have any class higher than C running in their races.

Dr class C should never have higher than class B be in their races and so forth.

Drivers in all classes would like to finish at or near the front at times. When a D class driver has 2 class A, 4 class B and 6 class C running in the same race as they are then any hope of a top 5 are pretty non existent.

I can understand putting a rabbit in at times to push the faster class D racers but that rabbit should be class C racers for the class D guys not class A racers whom the D guys should not be running anywhere near the same lap times.

The whole purpose of having rankings is so that people can race against people of close skill levels and have tight racing and a chance to win once in a while if you do well.

That is not happening now for the D and C guys running every race with A class racers in the mix.

That doesn't actually work.
If C can race with B, and B can race with A, that means A and C can race each other.
This logic continues down the line.

You'd have to draw lines.
Only S and A can race together.
Only B and C can race together.
Only D and E can race together.

The problem with this, is if you're a low end A driver, you hate being stuck in the S and A division. Same for low end C and E.

No matter how you divide it, it's impossible to please everyone. The only way is to force everyone to stay in their classes. Zero inter-class racing allowed. S only with S, A only with A, B only with B, etc etc.

But then you split the user groups too small, and the race fields become tiny at odd hours.

No matter what they do, people are going to cry. They need to alter the balance between the SR and DR matchmaking algorithm. SR is weighted too heavily relative to DR as of right now.
I think they'll get it sorted out in the coming weeks\month. People need to accept that this is going to be a living, breathing, ever adapting game. BOP, points, Dailys, ratings, matchmaking etc etc, it's never going to be 'done'. Each passing week is just another data point from which they can learn and adjust.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

That doesn't actually work.
If C can race with B, and B can race with A, that means A and C can race each other.
This logic continues down the line.

You'd have to draw lines.
Only S and A can race together.
Only B and C can race together.
Only D and E can race together.

The problem with this, is if you're a low end A driver, you hate being stuck in the S and A division. Same for low end C and E.

No matter how you divide it, it's impossible to please everyone. The only way is to force everyone to stay in their classes. Zero inter-class racing allowed. S only with S, A only with A, B only with B, etc etc.

But then you split the user groups too small, and the race fields become tiny at odd hours.

No matter what they do, people are going to cry. They need to alter the balance between the SR and DR matchmaking algorithm. SR is weighted too heavily relative to DR as of right now.
I think they'll get it sorted out in the coming weeks\month. People need to accept that this is going to be a living, breathing, ever adapting game. BOP, points, Dailys, ratings, matchmaking etc etc, it's never going to be 'done'. Each passing week is just another data point from which they can learn and adjust.

It can work as you would never have more than 2 classes of DR racers on the track at the same time.

Higher ranked B class racers can cross into A class races and those races would consist of either all A, all B or combination of A and B racers.

Mid and lower ranked B racers can cross with C racers and those races could have all B, all C or a combination of B and C racers.

Same with the D and C classes, you can have all D, all C or a combination of of C and D racers.

At no time should any races combine more than the lowest class present on the track and 1 class upgrade OR 1 class downgrade at the same time. You would not see class A or B racers in the same race as class D racers.

Where class B and class C are concerned both classes have the ability to either run in a 1 class upgrade or 1 class downgrade but not at the same time. You would not see for Example class C on the track at the same time with class B, C and D. It would either be class C only, or class C and B only, or Class C and D only. You would never see class C on the track with class A racers.

The lower classes should have as much rights and opportunity to be able to win a race against racers of their skill level as the higher classes.

You want to see the game die from lack of participation then keep catering all the race wins to the faster more elite racers in the higher classes and using the lower classes for grid filling fodder and before long the only people left playing will be the elite racers.

Do the elite racers have the numbers alone to keep PD interested in supporting the game long term or will the game die an early death as a result?

 

[kitchenboy]

I am probably not going to make a lot of friends with this but i feel i need to say this.
As i see things right now we have three distinct groups of Players:
1st and probably smallest group consists of the guys that take delight in ruining everyone's game, the bangers and dive bombers, guys that in the words of Alfred J. Pennyworth 'just want to see the world burn'
The second group is the A listers, the Aliens, the super fast and sometimes Elitists Players, the ones that object to being on the same track as people that drive with a pad, or can't run a lap 10 seconds faster than the rest of the planet, the ones that by all accounts have never made a mistake or miscalculated a braking point.
And then there is the group that i am in, the largest group, the one that is not very fast, but try's to do their best not to shunt anyone off, that try to do their best to run a clean race but that also sometimes make mistakes. For a lot of us this is our first real experience with e-sports and truly competitive online racing.
The game is out barely three weeks and already you guys are doing nothing but raging and quitting, just give PD a chance to work out the wrinkles, maybe you could show us great unwashed masses some understanding and patience, i am pretty sure that none of you were born racing Gods.
I understand that you get frustrated but jeez guys it's a GAME, I'm old enough to have learned that life is full of Bull***t, we do not have to carry all that over into something that at the end of the day is supposed to be FUN.

 

[FUNanywhere]

I am probably not going to make a lot of friends with this but i feel i need to say this.
As i see things right now we have three distinct groups of Players:
1st and probably smallest group consists of the guys that take delight in ruining everyone's game, the bangers and dive bombers, guys that in the words of Alfred J. Pennyworth 'just want to see the world burn'
The second group is the A listers, the Aliens, the super fast and sometimes Elitists Players, the ones that object to being on the same track as people that drive with a pad, or can't run a lap 10 seconds faster than the rest of the planet, the ones that by all accounts have never made a mistake or miscalculated a braking point.
And then there is the group that i am in, the largest group, the one that is not very fast, but try's to do their best not to shunt anyone off, that try to do their best to run a clean race but that also sometimes make mistakes. For a lot of us this is our first real experience with e-sports and truly competitive online racing.
The game is out barely three weeks and already you guys are doing nothing but raging and quitting, just give PD a chance to work out the wrinkles, maybe you could show us great unwashed masses some understanding and patience, i am pretty sure that none of you were born racing Gods.
I understand that you get frustrated but jeez guys it's a GAME, I'm old enough to have learned that life is full of Bull***t, we do not have to carry all that over into something that at the end of the day is supposed to be FUN.

Excellent post. People who tell they will quit the game is total exaggeration. Give time and it will improve.

And game is still fun with all the flaws. I can bet all these rants by people,these people would have saved many videos by now of their races and watched them.many times coz they did very well and won.

Just Point issues for them to notice and fix.

 

[Mr P]

The Good' The Bad and the Uppity 👍

 

[Oswald07]

What if there was an easy way to report the problem drivers pushing their sr into a remedial class and they can race with scumbags and animals like themselves.

 

[bmxmitch]

There needs to be some kind of "Asshat" system GTA has. A lobby where only the unfair drivers are in. And all of them have to drive in a go-kart to learn driving from the scratch again.

And a report system would be great. One where you could report players in the list right after the race. Instead of waiting 30secs till the race is over, you could give fairness points on the drivers list. I would love to see something like this!

 

[azrael1965]

A very apt description, also tells me this is a game for a small fraction of the fanbase while leaving everyone else out in the cold.

Who is everyone else? People who like to win against the computer and believe that they are good? I would rather be a small fish in the vast ocean then the biggest fish in the aquarium.

 

[JulesDennis]

I belleve that would be too harsh as just as Deadheadbill said it would chase away half of the playerbase. Maybe even more. We are still talking about a console game here. For people who like it hardcore there is still big brother iRacing.

Console or not the fact remains the same.And btw this "sim" is supposed to give a FIA Gran Turismo Digital Licence to use in RL racing.So if its gonna give that,then it must have really harsh rules.

So many of these rant/complainer threads are from people who expect every single opponent to drive the ideal line, to not make errors, and to not miss braking points. That's not really embracing reality. Motorsport at a grassroots level in real life is a ******** too. You have to drive defensively if you want higher SR over the long run.

I dont complain about one guy making one mistake.I do get fustrated by a lot of people that race "dirty" all the time in order to gain one or two positions.And there are a lot of them there because there is no -real- penalty for doing that.In any organized league -in any sim/platform-,people that do that stuff are gonna get banned from that series.

Now I just hope that GTS has enough player so that when I get to SR S I don't have to deal with those scums.

I hope you get to SR S but I have to tell you that you'll find a lot of "dirty" racing there too.

Dirty drivers aren't a game-specific thing, they're everywhere. I've played a few races of Project CARS 2 online with plenty of dumbos in them. Any game is a demolition derby.

I bet you if you don't rage quit, you'll keep playing on instead until you eventually get to that one perfect race that'll make you grin ear-to-ear. That's why people are sim racers. In pursuit of that one percent of races that are just so epic it makes the whole ocean of dirty stank null and void.

I agree.Dirty drivers are a common thing in public lobbies in most sims.Thats why clean racers prefer organized races and not public:to avoid them.
BTW iRacing is not a DD most of the times.I believe its because its expensive (to most people) and thus "more serious" (I mean people pay a lot of money in order to race there and because of that they behave as they should.Nobody wants to spend that kind of money and get banned after a few races).

I've only read the first post, but these are the test races... who knows how things will turn out in the future. Hope to see you on the track!

I think these "tests runs" are a good indication of how things are gonna turn in the future when the "real Cups" are around.

 

[izecold77]

certainly the SR system needs to be tuned. the feature I miss the most is some sort of disqualification rule for people who accumulate a lot of penalty time/points in a race. seeing folks finishing with 30 secs of penalty is ridiculous.

 

[JulesDennis]

certainly the SR system needs to be tuned. the feature I miss the most is some sort of disqualification rule for people who accumulate a lot of penalty time/points in a race. seeing folks finishing with 30 secs of penalty is ridiculous.

If they dont change/fix the penalty-SR system then there should be no DQ in this game.Dirty drivers have enough advantage as it is.We dont want people DQ because others are hitting them/pushing them off track -and..and..-.

 

[Stotty]

I am probably not going to make a lot of friends with this but i feel i need to say this.
As i see things right now we have three distinct groups of Players:
1st and probably smallest group consists of the guys that take delight in ruining everyone's game, the bangers and dive bombers, guys that in the words of Alfred J. Pennyworth 'just want to see the world burn'
The second group is the A listers, the Aliens, the super fast and sometimes Elitists Players, the ones that object to being on the same track as people that drive with a pad, or can't run a lap 10 seconds faster than the rest of the planet, the ones that by all accounts have never made a mistake or miscalculated a braking point.
And then there is the group that i am in, the largest group, the one that is not very fast, but try's to do their best not to shunt anyone off, that try to do their best to run a clean race but that also sometimes make mistakes. For a lot of us this is our first real experience with e-sports and truly competitive online racing.
The game is out barely three weeks and already you guys are doing nothing but raging and quitting, just give PD a chance to work out the wrinkles, maybe you could show us great unwashed masses some understanding and patience, i am pretty sure that none of you were born racing Gods.
I understand that you get frustrated but jeez guys it's a GAME, I'm old enough to have learned that life is full of Bull***t, we do not have to carry all that over into something that at the end of the day is supposed to be FUN.

Mostly spot on 👍

However, as someone that would probably be placed in the second group (I'm not an alien, but I'm fast enough to race pretty much anyone) I'll say this... I have no problem who I'm matched with, be that D/S or A/S... I don't look down on anyone playing the game, no matter their skill levels. And the slower cars on the grid don't affect me at all... I out qualify them, and never see them again in a race.

I'm having a great time on line - I'm B/S, and I haven't had any issues with punting other than 1 guy who missed his brake point in to the hairpin at Suzuka and took 2 of us out. But I've never been outside a top 4 grid slot in any race I've entered.

Had one amazing race Friday evening in the Grp3 event at Magione - 10 laps in the RSR with tyre wear on. Qualified 2nd, leader ran wide early on, leaving me and another guy in an RSR out front. The lead changed hands several times, both of us made no major mistakes, and neither of us managed to get more than a 0.6s lead... some minor rubbing during overtakes, but no serious contact. Proper sweaty palms stuff.

Ran 7 grp4 races at Nurb GP back to back on Saturday and all were super clean, super fast. 6 consecutive clean races (would have been 7, but in the 1st race I outbraked myself in to the chicane on the final lap whilst leading and got a cut penalty ).

 

[kitchenboy]

Mostly spot on 👍

However, as someone that would probably be placed in the second group (I'm not an alien, but I'm fast enough to race pretty much anyone) I'll say this... I have no problem who I'm matched with, be that D/S or A/S... I don't look down on anyone playing the game, no matter their skill levels. And the slower cars on the grid don't affect me at all... I out qualify them, and never see them again in a race.

I'm having a great time on line - I'm B/S, and I haven't had any issues with punting other than 1 guy who missed his brake point in to the hairpin at Suzuka and took 2 of us out. But I've never been outside a top 4 grid slot in any race I've entered.

Had one amazing race Friday evening in the Grp3 event at Magione - 10 laps in the RSR with tyre wear on. Qualified 2nd, leader ran wide early on, leaving me and another guy in an RSR out front. The lead changed hands several times, both of us made no major mistakes, and neither of us managed to get more than a 0.6s lead... some minor rubbing during overtakes, but no serious contact. Proper sweaty palms stuff.

Ran 7 grp4 races at Nurb GP back to back on Saturday and all were super clean, super fast. 6 consecutive clean races (would have been 7, but in the 1st race I outbraked myself in to the chicane on the final lap whilst leading and got a cut penalty ).

'Proper sweaty Palm stuff' those 4 words en capsule what this is all supposed to be about, i am only D/S but have had some amazing races, for me that is more important then winning, i am actually having FUN, so what if on occasion someone shunts me off, it does not need to ruin your whole experience.

 

[JulesDennis]

I am probably not going to make a lot of friends with this but i feel i need to say this.
As i see things right now we have three distinct groups of Players:
1st and probably smallest group consists of the guys that take delight in ruining everyone's game, the bangers and dive bombers, guys that in the words of Alfred J. Pennyworth 'just want to see the world burn'
The second group is the A listers, the Aliens, the super fast and sometimes Elitists Players, the ones that object to being on the same track as people that drive with a pad, or can't run a lap 10 seconds faster than the rest of the planet, the ones that by all accounts have never made a mistake or miscalculated a braking point.
And then there is the group that i am in, the largest group, the one that is not very fast, but try's to do their best not to shunt anyone off, that try to do their best to run a clean race but that also sometimes make mistakes. For a lot of us this is our first real experience with e-sports and truly competitive online racing.
The game is out barely three weeks and already you guys are doing nothing but raging and quitting, just give PD a chance to work out the wrinkles, maybe you could show us great unwashed masses some understanding and patience, i am pretty sure that none of you were born racing Gods.
I understand that you get frustrated but jeez guys it's a GAME, I'm old enough to have learned that life is full of Bull***t, we do not have to carry all that over into something that at the end of the day is supposed to be FUN.

I would agree with the grouping there.
But here is where I do not agree.
Is it only a game or is it an e-sports competitive online racing?It it is only a game,then sure,no problem with how it works online (even if I dont have fun around dirty SR S people).
If it is a truly competitive e-sports game,then PD needs to fix a lot of things.
When I enter an organized series (e-sports or in a community) I expect these:
a.Clean racing (accidents and mistakes are going to happen but dirty drivers are getting banned/not allowed to race)
b.Aliens (that respect EVERYONE no matter their pace)
c.Slow -or slower drivers- (that respect EVERYONE and know the basic rules)
d.Average -in terms of pace- drivers (that respect EVERYONE and can actually race around other people)
e.Rule/Penalty system that -even if its not perfect-it does a lot of things right and DO not punish clean racers for doing that (clean racing).
All the above makes the races FUN.

 

[Huzar]

Who is everyone else? People who like to win against the computer and believe that they are good? I would rather be a small fish in the vast ocean then the biggest fish in the aquarium.

Everyone else is the countless millions that purchased GT3 and GT5 with no online component. They people that want to collect cars actually modify them test them race them collect some more and do the same for those and so on and on and on.

Given how sales are heading you will be a small fish in the smallest GT ocean ever.

 

[kitchenboy]

You are quite right, the basic problem is that the game is trying to be everything for everyone and that will obviously not work.
I think it is fair to say that the first group, the bangers, will eventually get bored and move on to NFS, so that leaves the other groups, personally i would love to get to a point were i can compete with some of the better guys, the only way i am going to get there is obviously practice, and lots of it, but also having the chance to go up against them and learn, see the lines they take, where their braking points are. I firmly believe that this is possible to implement, but that is not going to happen by rage-quitting.

 

[PorscheHD]

Yeaaaah got my S back yesterday with the FIA GT race!!!

 

[ferreira]

The only suggestion I have seen that would fix the problem imo and would probably fix it for good is to turn full damage on. Problem is that would run off half the player base so PD is definitely not gonna do that.

While I think turning full damage on should definitely be part of a game that labels itself "The Real Driving Simulator", that would only make things even more unfair for the clean drivers.

I got punted off track in the FIA Championship with the Aston V8 Vantage so violently, that it sent me flying off in the opposite direction to the corner I was going to take. So much so that it damaged the steering column and kept pulling to the left for the rest of the race. So, for an accident that wasn't my fault, I took way more damage than the perpetrator who only had cosmetic damage. That effectively ended the race for me, as this was on lap 5 of 7. Wen't from 8th to 17th.

 

[JulesDennis]

You are quite right, the basic problem is that the game is trying to be everything for everyone and that will obviously not work.
I think it is fair to say that the first group, the bangers, will eventually get bored and move on to NFS, so that leaves the other groups, personally i would love to get to a point were i can compete with some of the better guys, the only way i am going to get there is obviously practice, and lots of it, but also having the chance to go up against them and learn, see the lines they take, where their braking points are. I firmly believe that this is possible to implement, but that is not going to happen by rage-quitting.

Why do you think that "bangers" (that are into racing games) are going to get "bored" of the best selling racing game in PS4?
I cannot understand the logic behind this.
GT is the most used racing game in PS consoles.That means more players.Than means more "people" for griefers (or bangers) to "play with".
If a racing game has empty lobbies,why should they stick around?Or better yet if lobbies are full,why should they leave and lose all their fun?

 

[Tillbeast]

With regard to matchmaking in dailies and championships the practice times should take precedence. No fun racing people who are 2 or 3 seconds faster than you.

 

[kitchenboy]

Why do you think that "bangers" (that are into racing games) are going to get "bored" of the best selling racing game in PS4?
I cannot understand the logic behind this.
GT is the most used racing game in PS consoles.That means more players.Than means more "people" for griefers (or bangers) to "play with".
If a racing game has empty lobbies,why should they stick around?Or better yet if lobbies are full,why should they leave and lose all their fun?

Because i don't think they are into Racing games, they are into Crashing games, okay maybe they won't leave Gt but just migrate to their own open Lobby's ......am i being too optimistic here..... a case of rose tinted glasses?

 

[izecold77]

If they dont change/fix the penalty-SR system then there should be no DQ in this game.Dirty drivers have enough advantage as it is.We dont want people DQ because others are hitting them/pushing them off track -and..and..-

assuming there are more clean racers than dirty ones in your races, the dirty ones are gonna be DQ'd first to let clean ones enjoy the race

 

[JulesDennis]

assuming there are more clean racers than dirty ones in your races, the dirty ones are gonna be DQ'd first to let clean ones enjoy the race

Mate,both dirty and clean drivers get penalties and negative SR when making contact.Do you really think that only the dirty are gonna get a DQ after they hit?
In order for that to happen,the system must recognize who is in "fault" and who is not.If it can do that,then why does not happen now with SR system and penalties?
The best possible scenario is that dirty drivers and some clean drivers are gonna get DQ so that the rest of the clean drivers can enjoy the race.
My SR rating is S by the way and never gone down,so I am speaking about the "clean" lobbies.

 

[izecold77]

In order for that to happen,the system must recognize who is in "fault" and who is not

not really. mathematically, the ones initiating collisions will accumulate more incidents ("X"s in iracing terms) than the clean ones. again, assuming that most of the drivers are clean ones and do their best to follow code of conduct

 

[JulesDennis]

not really. mathematically, the ones initiating collisions will accumulate more incidents ("X"s in iracing terms) than the clean ones. again, assuming that most of the drivers are clean ones and do their best to follow code of conduct

So they should copy the iracing system.
That means the game would "tell" the players of how many "x" they get the moment that happens and after an amount of "x" they get DQ.
Nice idea but GTS does not do that and propably will not do that as you dont get any info why you got a negative SR -or penalty- and I dont expect they'll change that (example give the player info that they got a negative SR because some other dive-bombed them from behind).

 

[azrael1965]

Everyone else is the countless millions that purchased GT3 and GT5 with no online component. They people that want to collect cars actually modify them test them race them collect some more and do the same for those and so on and on and on.

Given how sales are heading you will be a small fish in the smallest GT ocean ever.

Well it's 2017. There is a nice game called Forza 7 for the countless millions who purchased GT3 and GT5. I bought them both but well that's a long time ago, I have changed and so has GT. Actually it's still the biggest GT Ocean. I played GT5 alone and so did most of the millions. There were just millions of aquariums. It's the matchmaking that connects us. As a D Level Driver , I realize I suck but I am having fun competing with other D Levels and I have tremendous fun.

 

[Deadheadbill]

The lower classes should have as much rights and opportunity to be able to win a race against racers of their skill level as the higher classes.

You want to see the game die from lack of participation then keep catering all the race wins to the faster more elite racers in the higher classes and using the lower classes for grid filling fodder and before long the only people left playing will be the elite racers.

Do the elite racers have the numbers alone to keep PD interested in supporting the game long term or will the game die an early death as a result?

Yeah, I haven't won a race yet and have only gotten a couple poles. I like good racing in mid pack but as it stands now have 0 chance of winning a race. I haven't gotten completely discouraged yet but after finishing my mfg cup last night where there were 3 A's a few B's and C's and the latter half of the field D's and 7 seconds between qualifiers, I got that "**** this game" emotion for the first time.

No matter what they do, people are going to cry. .

I don't think wanting competitive racing is crying, but maybe my definition is different than yours? The people discussing this issue in the later pages of this thread just want to see the game thrive and to be able to race against others of their skill level. There is no crying here.

 

[polizei]

Did some sport mode last night and if you hug the inside line I find you avoid 90% of the punters.