That's it I'm DONE with Daily Races and FIA Demolition Derbies

[Tekku]

Every race seem to follow the same kind of structure:

- 2-3 drivers who are way behind who struggle with most corners
- A midpack that travels at roughly the same pace that from time to time crash into each other
- That one driver who like or cannot avoid causing trouble, usually in the midpack
- The two drivers who battle for first position that become separated from the rest quite early
- That one occasional player who is so good that he/she is almost lapping cars

 

[LAVAMAN_82]

It's those 91 wins for the trophy that people want... I guarantee that were it not for that trophy things would be a lot more civil. It's hard enough to win at the best of times, having that trophy there makes people desperate.
Not me of course, oh no, I'm clean as a whistle LOL

 

[Deadheadbill]

Penalties can be ambiguous some times too. Most of the time I'm aware of how and why I got a penalty but in a race the other day I finished the race with a 10 second penalty that I never even knew I had. It was weird.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Every race seem to follow the same kind of structure:

- 2-3 drivers who are way behind who struggle with most corners
- A midpack that travels at roughly the same pace that from time to time crash into each other
- That one driver who like or cannot avoid causing trouble, usually in the midpack
- The two drivers who battle for first position that become separated from the rest quite early
- That one occasional player who is so good that he/she is almost lapping cars

That's most online racing in most games I've ever raced in. Nothing works more in your favour towards getting a clean race than starting up front.

 

[zzz_pt]

The game is young, give it time. F1 stewards make a mess out of penalties too, hell Verstaapen seems to be doing all right; I don't see why people wouldn't follow his example in a video game.

If you pay me a salary to deal with de frustration of playing GTS, I don't mind.
Apart from that "small" difference (one being a game, the other a high paying job) your analogy is flawless.

 

[Tekku]

I have respect for the people who are A in DR and S in SR, but I think I have even more respect for the guys who are struggling in the middle. That's the true challenge in my opinion. It's such an intense and unpredictable environment and you have to be on your guard constantly.

 

[zzz_pt]

I have respect for the people who are A in DR and S in SR, but I think I have even more respect for the guys who are struggling in the middle. That's the true challenge in my opinion. It's such an intense and unpredictable environment and you have to be on your guard constantly.

How do you think people on A/S got there?

 

[Tekku]

How do you think people on A/S got there?

Honestly I believe that most of those players have a pace that sets them apart from the rest, so the experience they have of being in the middle or back is rather limited. And I also believe that as soon as you have that pace it's easier to maintain a higher ranking (at least SR), because you are not gonna be challenged as much by troublemakers or unpredictable drivers. As long as you drive faster than the rest there's no greater risk of getting a penalty.

In this regard I find the SR a bit unbalanced because the same can also be said about the worst drivers, who are so far back that they simply do not engage in situations that could potentially give them a penalty. In my opinion the SR should include more factors, such as sportsmanlike driving close to other players. Those situations should always reward you with higher SR because they are very hard to pull off.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Demolition Derbies aye? Come on, that's a bit of an exaggeration don't you think? Yes there are d head drivers, but if you give in to their actions it makes you like look the weakling. It means that they are succeeding in their mission to be a pain.

 

[SoullessApples]

The second I get punted or thrown off track, I just slow down and take it easy. No need fighting with morons. Usually helps my SR. I wait for them to spin out or crash then I pass. I might not finish first but I do finish cleaner then them. Just wait it out don’t rush they will spin out or crash and make a mistake. Then just hope the next race is clean

 

[Deadheadbill]

The only suggestion I have seen that would fix the problem imo and would probably fix it for good is to turn full damage on. Problem is that would run off half the player base so PD is definitely not gonna do that.

 

[LAVAMAN_82]

The second I get punted or thrown off track, I just slow down and take it easy. No need fighting with morons. Usually helps my SR. I wait for them to spin out or crash then I pass. I might not finish first but I do finish cleaner then them. Just wait it out don’t rush they will spin out or crash and make a mistake. Then just hope the next race is clean

So what's the point in playing? To lap the track and look at all the other cars in front?

If you can't beat them, join them! That's my attitude towards it now, forget trying to race clean I'm going to do all I can to get first place, you give me the slightest chance to put you in the gravel and I will.

SR means jack **** anyway, there's foul play at all levels and in every race I've been a part of. I tried to race good but I've now had enough. If you see me online give me a wide berth or you'll be in the next wall

Join me on the Dark Side.

 

[azrael1965]

The only suggestion I have seen that would fix the problem imo and would probably fix it for good is to turn full damage on. Problem is that would run off half the player base so PD is definitely not gonna do that.

Temporary damage would solve the problem. The car thrown off the track is slow anyway, but the aggressor would be punished.

 

[Spitfire77]

So what's the point in playing? To lap the track and look at all the other cars in front?

If you can't beat them, join them! That's my attitude towards it now, forget trying to race clean I'm going to do all I can to get first place, you give me the slightest chance to put you in the gravel and I will.

SR means jack **** anyway, there's foul play at all levels and in every race I've been a part of. I tried to race good but I've now had enough. If you see me online give me a wide berth or you'll be in the next wall

Join me on the Dark Side.

If I have a great battle between the 8th-11th position that makes it all worth it. That is what I am after, clean fun battles not really winning. Sure that would be nice, but yeah I am not that good.

The problem is sometimes I also make mistakes.... and I think this morning the one guy I hit that was completely my fault was the hit that broke his spirit because he backed way off and just limped to the finish. Felt bad, but its public online and things happen. I am not a hack and normally make room. I believe there are many of us that make a few of these mistakes here and there and they really add up.

 

[SoullessApples]

So what's the point in playing? To lap the track and look at all the other cars in front?

If you can't beat them, join them! That's my attitude towards it now, forget trying to race clean I'm going to do all I can to get first place, you give me the slightest chance to put you in the gravel and I will.

SR means jack **** anyway, there's foul play at all levels and in every race I've been a part of. I tried to race good but I've now had enough. If you see me online give me a wide berth or you'll be in the next wall

Join me on the Dark Side.

What you can do is not qualify during the daily races. Start in the back and see how far you can work your way up. It’s really fun watching Stevie wonders crash themselves out then cleanly passing them and finishing in a high position. It test your SR and helps you be better a driver (in my case at least). I’m pretty sure I’ve won a race starting last doing this method or second I can’t remember.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Temporary damage would solve the problem. The car thrown off the track is slow anyway, but the aggressor would be punished.

Temporary until they entered the pits and repaired the damage. Also timed penalties should not be able to be driven off during the race but should be applied post race so that a penalty carries some weight and bite.

You want Joe public to be enticed to drive "clean" the only way that will happen is to make the penalties for not driving clean to over ride by far any advantage that could hope to be gained by dirty driving instead penalizing them of any chance to finish higher than towards the rear of the field.

 

[azrael1965]

Temporary until they entered the pits and repaired the damage. Also timed penalties should not be able to be driven off during the race but should be applied post race so that a penalty carries some weight and bite.

You want Joe public to be enticed to drive "clean" the only way that will happen is to make the penalties for not driving clean to over ride by far any advantage that could hope to be gained by dirty driving instead penalizing them of any chance to finish higher than towards the rear of the field.

I belleve that would be too harsh as just as Deadheadbill said it would chase away half of the playerbase. Maybe even more. We are still talking about a console game here. For people who like it hardcore there is still big brother iRacing.
It's enough if they realize that hitting people costs them more then can be gained from it. The current system encourages divebombing. I hope PD realizes that soon.

 

[SRT DK Racing]

Dont know if anyone brought this up , but its pretty simple in my opinion that is , to avoid people getting mixed up with , sorry for the word , but , idiot drivers - they can not just let people see 2 videos about sportsmanship and then just think that people have learned what sportmansship is after that and just let them join all the fair and clean people , it's simply too ridiculous in my opinion I was speechless when I found out that there were no more you should do other than watch 2 videos , I must admit I had hoped for more regarding sportmansship ...
Just so there isnt anything to misunderstand , it should be for everybody new to GT Sport to "qualify" somehow , instead of just watching 2 videoes (most people probaly havent seen them , just turned them on and done something else untill they were done)

 

[Spitfire77]

Time will be the best thing to improve the quality of the online racing. Just hopefully PD keeps improving things so that plenty of quality people stick around.

 

[Corsa]

I'm a clean racer first, fast second. This so-called 'sport' is not for me. Nothing sporty about the official races.
Just quit for the first time an 'official' race after 4 laps of Interlagos. Guess I was mid field quality wise.
I NEVER quit, not my style, except when I quit for good.
EVERY fair, clean pass I made was rewarded with huge punts and side swipes.
Had THREE x 10 second penalties for THREE shoved into wall massive deliberate full speed shunts from behind.
If you're not at the front it's every scumbag for himself.
I have been enjoying running my own lobbies and will continue to do so.
Going to do that now.
As Bender would say, PD FIA you can kiss my shiny metal ***.

Welcome to the quitters club.
Now you just have to trade it in and come back to the "other" sims.

 

[zzz_pt]

Honestly I believe that most of those players have a pace that sets them apart from the rest, so the experience they have of being in the middle or back is rather limited. And I also believe that as soon as you have that pace it's easier to maintain a higher ranking (at least SR), because you are not gonna be challenged as much by troublemakers or unpredictable drivers. As long as you drive faster than the rest there's no greater risk of getting a penalty.

In this regard I find the SR a bit unbalanced because the same can also be said about the worst drivers, who are so far back that they simply do not engage in situations that could potentially give them a penalty. In my opinion the SR should include more factors, such as sportsmanlike driving close to other players. Those situations should always reward you with higher SR because they are very hard to pull off.

I agree to a certain point that the fastest you are, the less troubles you'll find. But I don't think it's only a matter of pace and being up front. It's a matter of mentality and being clean. I've had great races for 7th/8th position and rammed by A/S drivers while leading. On my last race today, was 1st with 2 guys following. One (A/S, fast) dive on the inside and sent me off track. I only got 2nd place in the end. He did apologize but that doesn't fix the fact that he didn't make the right decision.

I agree with your second paragraph. S should be harder to get and people should start with SR C, not B.

 

[Baconink]

Exaggerated and true OP but Use Mirrors and back off. Qualify well to avoid such hazards.

Quitting is an easy option.

Exactly.

 

[Deadheadbill]

I agree to a certain point that the fastest you are, the less troubles you'll find. But I don't think it's only a matter of pace and being up front. It's a matter of mentality and being clean. I've had great races for 7th/8th position and rammed by A/S drivers while leading. On my last race today, was 1st with 2 guys following. One (A/S, fast) dive on the inside and sent me off track. I only got 2nd place in the end. He did apologize but that doesn't fix the fact that he didn't make the right decision.

I agree with your second paragraph. S should be harder to get and people should start with SR C, not B.

Yeah, once the dive bombers head to the front there is often some very good racing in the back and as I said in the other thread most people are fine. Unfortunately it only takes few bad apples.

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

Let's revisit this topic in a month or two, but here is my belief:

The hard truth is that if you have a SR of D, or C, or S, you are placed where you belong. You need to use the mirrors, use the radar, and not expect cars around you at low SR to do the rational things. Having a high SR is not just about driving cleanly, it's about having excellent situational awareness over a long period of time.

So many of these rant/complainer threads are from people who expect every single opponent to drive the ideal line, to not make errors, and to not miss braking points. That's not really embracing reality. Motorsport at a grassroots level in real life is a ******** too. You have to drive defensively if you want higher SR over the long run.

 

[Adrenaline]

How do you think people on A/S got there?

By easily out qualifying and outpacing every field on the way to their proper ranking.

I say this as someone who is the example of above, not bitter about it. Until the game finally caught me up to my proper rankings, I was easily cruising to multiple poles, victories and podiums.

If you're an A\S driver, there's no reason you should be fighting mid pack in the B\A races leading to your rank up.

 

[staraz]

Just my 2 cents: I'm at DR D, SR B so everyone other than the leader is playing bumper cars. Last night, I ended up at 2nd pos after qualifying. I was torpedoed into a wall early one. I was understandably furious and was hellbent to get my revenge. As a result, I went way beyond my limit; I made mistakes, ran off other cars and was run off by others. I was lucky to stay within SR B but it was a red B.

Today, I was qualified at 4th. I decided to only care about my safety rating as I haven't practiced much on Brands Hatch. I didn't go for any overtake unless I was certain that I could do it safely. I still made mistakes and had contacts and ended up dropping more than 10 pos, but at least I had a blue B at the end.

Now I just hope that GTS has enough player so that when I get to SR S I don't have to deal with those scums.

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

I run back/mid pack most races and levelled up from C safety rating to S. I disagree with your assessment entirely.

You just need to be aware of the high-danger situations (think T1, or sector 1 at Suzuka), use the radar, and drive with high awareness.

If I see a guy right behind me in Suzuka sector 1 through the sweeping turns, I know he might do something ****y. I put the car much further to the inside of the turn, almost 2/3 over the kerb onto the grass, that way if he makes contact I will just be bumped forward onto the tarmac with lots of grip.

If you use your grey matter a little you can rank up.

By easily out qualifying and outpacing every field on the way to their proper ranking.

I say this as someone who is the example of above, not bitter about it. Until the game finally caught me up to my proper rankings, I was easily cruising to multiple poles, victories and podiums.

If you're an A\S driver, there's no reason you should be fighting mid pack in the B\A races leading to your rank up.

 

[Huzar]

Every race seem to follow the same kind of structure:

- 2-3 drivers who are way behind who struggle with most corners
- A midpack that travels at roughly the same pace that from time to time crash into each other
- That one driver who like or cannot avoid causing trouble, usually in the midpack
- The two drivers who battle for first position that become separated from the rest quite early
- That one occasional player who is so good that he/she is almost lapping cars

A very apt description, also tells me this is a game for a small fraction of the fanbase while leaving everyone else out in the cold.

 

[Adrenaline]

I run back/mid pack most races and levelled up from C safety rating to S. I disagree with your assessment entirely.

You just need to be aware of the high-danger situations (think T1, or sector 1 at Suzuka), use the radar, and drive with high awareness.

If I see a guy right behind me in Suzuka sector 1 through the sweeping turns, I know he might do something ****y. I put the car much further to the inside of the turn, almost 2/3 over the kerb onto the grass, that way if he makes contact I will just be bumped forward onto the tarmac with lots of grip.

If you use your grey matter a little you can rank up.

When I said A\S I was referring to DR\SR.

Meaning A DR and S SR.
When a driver who is as skilled as those in the A\S combo, they should not be running mid pack in the races while they are leveling up. If an A driver is in a C and B driver lobby, I expect them to be on the pole and driving away, until the game properly catches their ranking up to its proper level.

 

[MisterWaffles]

I love how whenever something dirty happens in Sport mode, people come to forums in droves to make such dramatic thread titles and over-the-top reactions about how they're gonna boycot it or quit or something.

Dirty drivers aren't a game-specific thing, they're everywhere. I've played a few races of Project CARS 2 online with plenty of dumbos in them. Any game is a demolition derby.

I bet you if you don't rage quit, you'll keep playing on instead until you eventually get to that one perfect race that'll make you grin ear-to-ear. That's why people are sim racers. In pursuit of that one percent of races that are just so epic it makes the whole ocean of dirty stank null and void.