The 20 tracks issue is really bugging me

The only thing Kaz has ever said about DLC is that GT5 has none planned because they like to release complete games. They would never hold anything back and if the game did see DLC, I suspect that it would be free (much like the GT5P DLC that added a new track and cars).

Kaz has definitely mentioned the possibility of DLC in more than one interview.

If its paid for though is another matter.
 
20 Areas:

1) WRC
2) NASCAR
3) GT
4) Beginner
5) Intermediate
6) Professional
7) Extreme
8) America
9) Europe
10) Japan
11) Endurance
12) Drifting
13) Mission
14) Tune Shop
15) GT Auto
16) Licenses
17) Online
18) GTTV
19) Photo Mode
20) Home

I am just pulling this from the very ether itself, but it's just something I've been contemplating. I am by no means claiming this to be correct in anyway, but I thought it was a nice piece of mental bubble gum to chew.
 
Could be, but GT4 already had one more continent ( Oceania ) and one more Asian country apart form Japan ( South-Korea ) and i'm sure they will be represented in GT5 as well, and maybe i'm even forgetting some, so that list doesn't fully add up.;)
 
Kaz has definitely mentioned the possibility of DLC in more than one interview.

If its paid for though is another matter.

When asked about the racing games possible DLC, this is what he had to say:

"Let me be clear on this. There is a massive amount of content in this game, I don't think there are many teams that can put as much into a game as we can."

"The launch of the game isn't a start, we are releasing the full game."

"Everything we want to put in the game is on the disc when it ships, having said that, we do have a sizable online team that will look after it once it's launched."
 
"Everything we want to put in the game is on the disc when it ships, having said that, we do have a sizable online team that will look after it once it's launched."

That didn't stop infinity ward from locking the maps on the MW2 disk and selling them later as DLC.
 
GT4 had 6 locations.

So if GT4 had 6 locations and 40 tracks, by my math, if GT5
has 20 locations, it would have about 132 tracks. But I doubt PD had time to make that many, so I would guess more like 70 tracks.
 
I didn't compare them, I used IW as an example.

Whatever dude, whatever.

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2. To examine in order to note the similarities or differences of.
3. Grammar To form the positive, comparative, or superlative degree of (an adjective or adverb).
 
In my opinion:

Location = Country
Variation = several tracks layouts (Reverse and Wet versions excluded)

I dont know where High Speed Ring is, but lets suppose its in Germany. In Kaz language, GT5 Prologue would have 5 Locations and 9 variations

Location 1 - England - Variation 1 - London
Location 2 - Germany - Variation 2 - High Speed Ring
Location 3 - Japan - Variations 3, 4, 5 & 6 - Suzuka, Suzuka East, Fuji, Fuji GT
Location 4 - USA - Variations 7 & 8 - Daytona Road, Daytona Speedway
Location 5 - Swiss - Variation 9 - Eiger Nordwand

Also, im one of those who truly believes that the tracks that appear in top right corner of GT5 Prologue Menu (the ones with the weather) are gonna be in GT5. All the real tracks from GT Franchise are there, except Indianapolis. But thats because Indianapolis was not in PD plans by the time they developed GT5 P. Me thinks.
Also, i dont think that those circuits are there just to show the weather in some tracks around the world. If that was the purpose why would they put Zolder, wich i love by the way, but is not very well known when compared with tracks like Donington, Catalunya, Sepang, Bathurst, Paul Ricard, Sebring, Valencia, Muggelo, Phillip Island, etc.and are not there?
That Zolder track in there allways gave me a strong feeling about this.

Ive been doing some math and with all the previous GTs tracks plus the tracks of GT5P weather menu (and its possible variations) i reached a number of 90/96 variations. Its more than the 70 variations PD usually talks about, but it fits quite well in the "eight dozen" Amar wrote in his cryptic post. And also, PD allways use number bellow the real ones (cars and tracks). Even in release dates :)

With all this, theres about 14/15 locations, so, its still missing 5/6 locations but thats because i dont know where some fantasy tracks are located. Where is Trial Mountain? Amar's avatar says its in Croatia. Maybe it is. And that would be one more location found. PD has certainly some places in mind when they make fantasy tracks.
 
With all this, theres about 14/15 locations, so, its still missing 5/6 locations but thats because i dont know where some fantasy tracks are located. Where is Trial Mountain? Amar's avatar says its in Croatia. Maybe it is.

I always thought Trial Mountain was in Britain. :confused:
 
"Locations/Circuits" is not a literal location as you think in English
quoting one of our fine mods here :)

When this was originally said, I translated the original Japanese myself (wish I'd kept it now), and the way the language was used (20 circuits, 70 layouts) indicated over 20 real world tracks (Nuerburgring, Laguna Seca, La Sarthe, Suzuka, Fuji etc.) and over 70 PD-created tracks (Trial Mountain, High Speed Ring, Eiger, London, Midfield etc.). "Circuit" implies a track that already exists and "Layout" implies one that has been laid out (created).

Whether those 70 include forward/backward and short versions, or whether they are just 70 tracks and you can add the forward/backward/short versions onto that I don't know and can't speculate. But I'm confident in my interpretation because I did it (I would be ) from the original language, rather than a second translation from French... Of course, it's up to you whether you agree with me or not.

It all makes sense, 1000 cars, 100 tracks - nice round figures :D
 
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I always thought Trial Mountain was in Britain. :confused:

I have no idea where it is. Amar has something about it in his avatar but its probably a joke. Some fantasy tracks have locations in its names like Tahiti Maze, Grand Canyon, El Capitan, etc. but when it comes to tracks like Trial Mountain, Deep Forest, etc. i dont know where they may be located.
Why do you think Trial Mountain is in Britain? Maybe i missed something.
 
Wow, 70 created tracks sounds pretty impresive. It sounds about right though, thinking about all of the different variations, forwards, reverse etc. Assuming they bring back all of the old tracks and added a few more new ones the number would be quite close to 70 I think.
 
"Locations/Circuits" is not the a literal location as you think in English
quoting one of our fine mods here :)

I didnt know that. But if he is wright and 20 locations meant 20 real world tracks, or, llike he said it: "over 20 real world tracks", that fits excatly in the number of circuits that appear with weather in GT5 prologue Menu plus Indianapolis:

1 Fuji
2 Magny Cours
3 Brands Hatch
4 Suzuka
5 Monte Carlo
6 Silverstone
7 Sonoma (Infineon)
8 Tsukuba
9 Shangai
10 Estoril
11 Hockenheim
12 Imola
13 Monza
14 Monterey (Laguna Seca)
15 Motegi
16 Nurburgring
17 Daytona
18 Le Mans
19 Spa
20 Zolder
21 Jerez
22 Indianapolis

Here they are, the "over 20 real world tracks". Hope its like this. And some of these tracks have shorter versions as you know.
 
I didnt know that. But if he is wright and 20 locations meant 20 real world tracks, or, llike he said it: "over 20 real world tracks", that fits excatly in the number of circuits that appear with weather in GT5 prologue Menu plus Indianapolis:

1 Fuji
2 Magny Cours
3 Brands Hatch
4 Suzuka
5 Monte Carlo
6 Silverstone
7 Sonoma (Infineon)
8 Tsukuba
9 Shangai
10 Estoril
11 Hockenheim
12 Imola
13 Monza
14 Monterey (Laguna Seca)
15 Motegi
16 Nurburgring
17 Daytona
18 Le Mans
19 Spa
20 Zolder
21 Jerez
22 Indianapolis

Here they are, the "over 20 real world tracks". Hope its like this. And some of these tracks have shorter versions as you know.

Now that is a line up of tracks, Spa, Monza, Imola..... mmmm yes please
 
Quite a few UK events are held on that track including the UK nationals from GT2, British GT Cup in GT3, UK vs XX from GT1 and so on.

http://gran-turismo.wikia.com/wiki/Trial_Mountain

Quote from your link:

"Trial Mountain Circuit is an original (fictional) circuit that has appeared in all mainline versions of Gran Turismo. It also featured in Tourist Trophy and Gran Turismo PSP and is set to appear in Gran Turismo 5. It is a 2.5 mile circuit run on tarmac which appears to be set in a forest clearing within a mountainous area. The circuit features several blind corners, three tunnels, a long, uphill back straight and a series of fast compound corners. It is seen by most players as one of the easiest circuits in the Gran Turismo Series."

Trial Mountain is a fantasy track with no specific real location. It coul be anywhere. Probably just PD knows where they take inspiration to create it.:)
 
Quote from your link:

"Trial Mountain Circuit is an original (fictional) circuit that has appeared in all mainline versions of Gran Turismo. It also featured in Tourist Trophy and Gran Turismo PSP and is set to appear in Gran Turismo 5. It is a 2.5 mile circuit run on tarmac which appears to be set in a forest clearing within a mountainous area. The circuit features several blind corners, three tunnels, a long, uphill back straight and a series of fast compound corners. It is seen by most players as one of the easiest circuits in the Gran Turismo Series."

Trial Mountain is a fantasy track with no specific real location. It coul be anywhere. Probably just PD knows where they take inspiration to create it.:)

If Trial Mountain was a real circuit, somehow I think we would have all known about it by now! Though it would be great to just stumble upon the circuit some sunday afternoon. :D

Fiction can be based on real world locations. :)

On topic though:
Does anyone have the original source of this "20/70 business" in French?
 
I didnt know that. But if he is wright and 20 locations meant 20 real world tracks, or, llike he said it: "over 20 real world tracks", that fits excatly in the number of circuits that appear with weather in GT5 prologue Menu plus Indianapolis:

1 Fuji
2 Magny Cours
3 Brands Hatch
4 Suzuka
5 Monte Carlo
6 Silverstone
7 Sonoma (Infineon)
8 Tsukuba
9 Shangai
10 Estoril
11 Hockenheim
12 Imola
13 Monza
14 Monterey (Laguna Seca)
15 Motegi
16 Nurburgring
17 Daytona
18 Le Mans
19 Spa
20 Zolder
21 Jerez
22 Indianapolis

Here they are, the "over 20 real world tracks". Hope its like this. And some of these tracks have shorter versions as you know.

Thats a tantalizing theory if I may say so. It does make some sense.


I'm wondering how much better some of the GT original tracks will look graphically. Some looked pretty sweet before. We've already seen tokyo and a short tease of special stage route 5 plus whats in Prologue of course. Forest way could be really cool with better evironment graphics as too would grand valley with its bridge section.

Can't wait.
 
I didnt know that. But if he is wright and 20 locations meant 20 real world tracks, or, llike he said it: "over 20 real world tracks", that fits excatly in the number of circuits that appear with weather in GT5 prologue Menu plus Indianapolis:

1 Fuji
2 Magny Cours
3 Brands Hatch
4 Suzuka
5 Monte Carlo
6 Silverstone
7 Sonoma (Infineon)
8 Tsukuba
9 Shangai
10 Estoril
11 Hockenheim
12 Imola
13 Monza
14 Monterey (Laguna Seca)
15 Motegi
16 Nurburgring
17 Daytona
18 Le Mans
19 Spa
20 Zolder
21 Jerez
22 Indianapolis

Here they are, the "over 20 real world tracks". Hope its like this. And some of these tracks have shorter versions as you know.
Wouldn't the top gear test track count as one as well?
 
I never really thought about where it may have been. What made you think in britain?

From what I remember it didn't seem gray/cloudy enough to be in emgland. ;)


Wherever it is it should look pretty awesome in GT5, all those trees should look less flat. The mountain rock detail/texturing should also be impressive. :)
 
GPR
I never really thought about where it may have been. What made you think in britain?

From what I remember it didn't seem gray/cloudy enough to be in emgland. ;)


Wherever it is it should look pretty awesome in GT5, all those trees should look less flat. The mountain rock detail/texturing should also be impressive. :)

If my memory is right, there was a british flag on the map of the track in a race event for british cars in GT2?
 
Where is Trial Mountain? Amar's avatar says its in Croatia. Maybe it is.

It was a joke about the track layout being similar to the general shape of our country.;)
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I always thought Trial Mountain was in Britain. :confused:
Nope, it's totally made up (with some basis on real topography etc.) but if I had enough money and enough land, I sure-as-hell would get that course faithfully recreated in real life! In the middle of the track, I'd get a version of "Complex String" made up for karting! :lol:
 
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