The 20 tracks issue is really bugging me

How many tracks GT4 had? GT3? GT2? I hope it has all previous tracks from all games and as well new ones.

But if GT5 really only has 20-25 tracks and 70-80 layouts, I am not worried, there is always DLC.
 
I think 54 tracks. But different layouts for certain tracks are included in that. So Infineon would have 2 layouts, Twin Ring Has 4, Fuji has 4, etc.
 
I think PD should really make use of the playstation store... Even if the game is released with 20 tracks (which it wont), you could download new tracks via the playstation store... imagine the possibilities... Personally however, i think a general rule of thumb would be that we will see most if not all of the tracks from GT4 return for GT5, plus some new ones...
 
I think this picture is the proof, Germany is the one of 20 locations

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I can't believe this debate is still going! Quite obviously there are going to be more than 20 tracks in the game. Whether "location" refers to a coutry or a place name, it doesn't really matter - each one can have mutiple tracks, and muiltiple layouts of those tracks. It doesn't take many locations and their track permutations to reach that magic 70.
 
do you think if sony gives us the release date of gt5 at E3, they will also confirm all the other things like day/night, 20-70 tracks, etc etc... or wait till close to the release then release all info?
 
do you think if sony gives us the release date of gt5 at E3, they will also confirm all the other things like day/night, 20-70 tracks, etc etc... or wait till close to the release then release all info?

If they didnt I would find it very strange, BUT wouldnt be surprised if they didnt give us anything but a release date......
 
I can't believe this debate is still going! Quite obviously there are going to be more than 20 tracks in the game. Whether "location" refers to a coutry or a place name, it doesn't really matter - each one can have mutiple tracks, and muiltiple layouts of those tracks. It doesn't take many locations and their track permutations to reach that magic 70.

You're right in saying it's about the total amount of tracks regardless in which county they're located and although I'm skeptical about locations equals countries I can see why people hope it refers to that as it would probably change the amount of different tracks included.

For example location Japan would mean Suzuka, Fuji, Twin Ring Motegi, Tsukuba, etc. instead of all those tracks being locations ( included in the 20 locations ) themselves.

Either way, we probably get to know the true meaning quite soon hopefully. :)
 
Do you really think you are the first one thinking about this?
And I still don't see a "proof".

yes i am the first, at least for this thread :sly:, and i think this is the first real proof for location thread


do you think if sony gives us the release date of gt5 at E3, they will also confirm all the other things like day/night, 20-70 tracks, etc etc... or wait till close to the release then release all info?

imo we won't figured out all track list before release
 
really stop this topic...

stop...

it doesn't have sense that a game like gt5 will have only 20 track...

please stop and close this thread....
 
I think this picture is the proof, Germany is the one of 20 locations

gt5x.jpg

The only thing that this picture proves, IF it proves anything, is that the Nurburgring is in the game... and the cars in that list there.... For the rest it proves nothing else, again if it does prove anything at all... Wait til E3... then we will know more....



Hopefully...
 
The game won't have 20 tracks, it will have 20 locations. Big difference. Up to ten locations are yet to be confirmed and just under or over half of the 70 variations they'll have are confirmed. Whether these numbers are exact isn't confirmed either and they're likely lower than the eventual numbers. Here's an example:
Le Mans is a location.
In that location three tracks exist.
The main track is the Circuit de la Sarthe and it has two variations.
The secondary track is the Bugatti circuit with only one variation making track and variation synonymous.
The third track is the Maison Blanche circuit which has I don't know how many variations.

Note that this is all I know and I'm not certain of anything. I can't confirm or falsify anything at the moment.
 
Honestly I think GT5 has to have more than 20 tracks. If this is supposed to be the end-all racing game of this console generation, don't you think it would have more tracks than it's predecessor? I agree with the 20 countries/70 tracks idea, with the variations included in the "70" number. I hope I'm right, but who knows.
 
I agree with the 20 countries/70 tracks idea, with the variations included in the "70" number. I hope I'm right, but who knows.

I hope it's right aswell. I don't think it's possible to say the picture gives us proof of 20 countries and therefore 70 tracks, but it's not something worthy of overlooking in my opinion.
 
I think this picture is the proof, Germany is the one of 20 locations

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I think I'm the first one here to agree with you. In the top left, where it says Real Circuits > Germany, that would certainly suggest Germany is a location. Whereas many thought the 20 locations meant 20 tracks with different variations, I think the 20 locations means countries. This leaves a massive amount of potential number of tracks.
 
Germany = One location
Nurburgring = 3 Tracks; Nordschleife, GP, and 24 hr.

United States of America = One location
Tracks = Laguna Seca, Indianapolis, Daytona.. whatever..

Japan = One location
Tracks = Tokyo R246, Fuji, Fuji GT or GP whatever, Suzuka, Suzuka East, Suzuka West, Tsukuba.

So right there we have Three locations, 13 tracks (variations, whatever..)
 
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The official statement so far still is:
"Daytona for example would be one location, with two tracks."
And unless someone from PD states something different, I will believe that.
 
Okay lets just say that the Official GTPlanet GT5 track list is correct.. (I'm not doubting this). So far on that list they've confirmed 16 locations which are marked down as Daytona being a location, Suzuka being a location so on and so forth. That means that there's only 4 locations left to add. Now correct me if I'm wrong but from those 16 locations its possible to make up 35 variants. So that means that the remaining 4 locations have 25 variants? Doesn't that seem a bit impossible? Because apparently the game has 20 locations and 70 variations. So 16 locations with 35 variants leaves 4 locations and 25 variations to add.
 
Germany = One location
Nurburgring = 3 Tracks; Nordschleife, GP, and 24 hr.

United States of America = One location
Tracks = Laguna Seca, Indianapolis, Daytona.. whatever..

Japan = One location
Tracks = Tokyo R246, Fuji, Fuji GT or GP whatever, Suzuka, Suzuka East, Suzuka West, Tsukuba.

So right there we have Three locations, 13 tracks (variations, whatever..). = Not Rocket Science.

All very good up until you get to thinking where the other 17 locations might be. It just doesn't quite add up having countries as locations.

Using the circuits of GT4 and adding Spain (Madrid) and England (London) for circuits from Prologue or seen in screen shots, it still only adds up to 12 locations. Are there even 8 more countries with active motorsport participation?

I guess it's not an impossibility, especially given that one of my '12' is Tahiti. But i still don't see that the whole locations/countries correlation is a given.
 
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and also the cockpit thing. I mean it was in the same sentence that stated 170 cars will have damage that said 170 with interior modelliing. Now the track issue it says 20 tracks with 60 veriations. amar updated his WINDS to say the same thing. i haven't seen a translation that says otherwise. i know it sounds really strange but what are the chances of the being true.

Polyphony have confirmed that all 1000 of the game's cars will feature a damage system and interior view, while those 170 "Premium" cars you mentioned will feature interior deformation and more extensive exterior damage. As for this 20 tracks thing - utter bogus. Even Gran Turismo 2 for the Playstation one featured 27 tracks.
 
Okay lets just say that the Official GTPlanet GT5 track list is correct.. (I'm not doubting this). So far on that list they've confirmed 16 locations which are marked down as Daytona being a location, Suzuka being a location so on and so forth. That means that there's only 4 locations left to add. Now correct me if I'm wrong but from those 16 locations its possible to make up 35 variants. So that means that the remaining 4 locations have 25 variants? Doesn't that seem a bit impossible? Because apparently the game has 20 locations and 70 variations. So 16 locations with 35 variants leaves 4 locations and 25 variations to add.

Rally locations with bunch of variations/stages...?
 
Polyphony have confirmed that all 1000 of the game's cars will feature a damage system and interior view, while those 170 "Premium" cars you mentioned will feature interior deformation and more extensive exterior damage. As for this 20 tracks thing - utter bogus. Even Gran Turismo 2 for the Playstation one featured 27 tracks.
Not really, because the official line is over 20 locations, that could mean 21 that could mean 29. Technically it could mean 129 but logic would suggest that if they have 33 the official line would be over 30 locations. Also as someone just said, rally locations with a lot of stages could easily make up the numbers to make 70 odd variations.

I want as many tracks as possible, but I'm not counting on every interview Kaz has had where it's been more specific being wrong and the Sony spokesman being wrong. And to get over 70 different track locations wouldn't add up time wise to GT5's development unless they had a lot of work outsourced which I don't think they did.
 
I just don't know what some of you are on about... but you will see when you get GT5 that there's more tracks than 20.

Don't worry guys, just relax :)
 
As for this 20 tracks thing - utter bogus. Even Gran Turismo 2 for the Playstation one featured 27 tracks.
27 variations. This is a very sensitive matter as track, location and variation make this all very difficult to remember. I can confirm 34 variations in 16 locations and there's going to be more. Many locations have more potential variations. The Nürburgring as an example has a potential 18 variations, only three are confirmed. Le Mans has at least 10 potential variations of which only one, maybe two, has been confirmed.

People, either your definition is really off or you just haven't read right, there will be more than 20 tracks in GT5.
 
27 variations. This is a very sensitive matter as track, location and variation make this all very difficult to remember. I can confirm 34 variations in 16 locations and there's going to be more. Many locations have more potential variations. The Nürburgring as an example has a potential 18 variations, only three are confirmed. Le Mans has at least 10 potential variations of which only one, maybe two, has been confirmed.

People, either your definition is really off or you just haven't read right, there will be more than 20 tracks in GT5.

18 variations?!?! :dunce:

Am I missing something? :odd:
 
you are missing everything...

it does not matter what anybody says here... it will still be speculations...
and speculations cannot be trusted or reassuring...

it's only a week away... things will be a bit clearer at E3.

until then, our frustration will grow to burst only on the 15th of June.
 
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