The 20 tracks issue is really bugging me

[eSZee]

I think I've figured it out. In the GT5 demo videos, it always says "premium" next to the track. I'm led to believe there will be 70 tracks, 50 of which are standard (meaning they were from GT4 and are now GT5 capable), and 20 premium tracks, (ones that were made for GT5 from scratch).

Premium tracks- (capable of) -day night cycles- -dynamic weather-

Standard tracks- (capable of) - optional day night- -optional weather-

We have absolutely nothing to back up your claim other than basing this on what they did with the cars. We still haven't seen standard tracks as far as I'm aware, have we?

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Although 20 locations / 70 variations is still the official number on the GT5 website, I have my doubts that this will be the final number. I've tried to be as objective as I can in forming this theory, rather than just ranting on about what 'makes sense' (because 1000 cars in a video game doesn't really make sense )

1. In Racesimcentral.com's interview with Chris Hinojosa-Miranda, they asked him how many tracks would be featured in the game and he answered something like "we haven't released that information yet." He could have easily defaulted to the 20/70 number, but he didn't.

2. When Kaz was taking live questions via Honda's twitter a few weeks ago, he mentioned "the final amount of tracks haven't been finalized yet". He's had no problem using the 20/70 number in other interviews before, but this time was different.

3. (which I don't take as seriously as the first two) Jeff Rubenstein (Social Media Manager at Sony Computer Entertainment America) hinted at 40 Tracks with 100 Variations.

My theory is that the "20/70" term is a number that was given to Sony by PD for marketing, and their marketing department doesn't really have clue what the current or final track count will be.

I welcome some friendly debate to this theory. Might be a good way to pass the next 126 days...

One thing I have to say about PD is that when they give us a number, they usually stick to it. If it means giving us a large percentage of recycled GT4 models... we're still hitting that number. I feel like the amount of tracks we have available to us will probably touch 70... it's not hard. Nurburgring gives us 3, Fuji/Motegi/Suzuka have a bunch of variations, any original or street courses can be reversed... it all adds up really fast.

 

[danthespaceman]

We have absolutely nothing to back up your claim other than basing this on what they did with the cars. We still haven't seen standard tracks as far as I'm aware, have we?

La Sarthe was a 'premium' track in the 2010 Le Mans demo. It didn't carry the premium label at E3, but then again, none of the tracks did.

 

[scope72]

What We Know

1. We will have 20+ "locations" and 70+ "variations"
2. The tracks in this link are confirmed: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=115188#post3337295
3. We have also seen Stelvio Pass, a cliff-side track in the Ferrari California video, and what seems to be a paved Toscana
4. Spa has been mentioned by Jordan as the possible TT track before we found out for sure it was Indy GP. And the Spa sticker on the briefcase at PD.
5. Amar has been right about all of his winds so far and the wind regarding tracks and cars was this.

Second wind says there will be more than half of dozen hundreds birds flying in the beginning of the reunion on almost eight dozen of skypaths, and some of the birds will come from the past reunion just resembling the looks of the newborn birds.

6. We also saw a lot of tracks in the original GT HD trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUVjg3aW1XQ
Tracks I picked up from that:
1. El Capitan
2. Monaco
3. Citta di Aria
4. Costa di Amalfi
5. Grand Canyon
6. Grand Valley Speedway
7. Chamonix

7. We know the cars thought to be in GT HD are now ported into GT5

8. The track maps shown during GT5 Prologue's credits are:
1. Trial Mountain
2. Tahiti Maze
3. Seoul Central
4. Seattle Circuit
5. Opera Paris
6. Chamonix
7. New York
8. Midfield Raceway
9. Motorland
10. Ice Arena
11. Hong Kong
12. Grand Valley Speedway
13. Grand Canyon
14. Fuji Speedway 90's
15. Deep Forest Raceway
16. Citta di Aria
17. Apricot Hill Raceway
18. High Speed Ring
19. El Captan
20. George V Paris
21. Costa di Amalfi
22. Autumn Ring

9. The ever so curious GT5 Prologue weather locations contain the following tracks:
1. Fuji Speedway
2. Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours
3. Brands Hatch
4. Suzuka Circuit
5. Circuit de Monaco
6. Silverstone Circuit
7. Infineon Raceway
8. Tsukuba Circuit
9. Shanghai International
10. Autodromo do Estoril
11. Hockenheimring
12. Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari (Imola)
13. Autodromo Nazionale Monza
14. Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca
15. Twin Ring Motegi
16. Nurburgring (GP)
17. Daytona International Speedway
18. Circuit de la Sarthe
19. Circuit de Spa Francorchamps
20. Circuit Zolder
21. Circuito de Jerez
22. Indianapolis Motor Speedway

10. We really shouldn't expect all of these tracks to make it in. If they do... I will crap myself. Period.

 

[Nattefrost]

One thing I have to say about PD is that when they give us a number, they usually stick to it. If it means giving us a large percentage of recycled GT4 models... we're still hitting that number. I feel like the amount of tracks we have available to us will probably touch 70... it's not hard. Nurburgring gives us 3, Fuji/Motegi/Suzuka have a bunch of variations, any original or street courses can be reversed... it all adds up really fast.

They've never counted reverse tracks and they've never had that sort of track/variations ratio. So no, it doesn't add up really fast.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

What We Know

1. We will have 20+ "locations" and 70+ "variations"
2. The tracks in this link are confirmed: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=115188#post3337295
3. We have also seen Stelvio Pass, a cliff-side track in the Ferrari California video, and what seems to be a paved Toscana
4. Spa has been mentioned by Jordan as the possible TT track before we found out for sure it was Indy GP. And the Spa sticker on the briefcase at PD.
5. Amar has been right about all of his winds so far and the wind regarding tracks and cars was this.
6. We also saw a lot of tracks in the original GT HD trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUVjg3aW1XQ
Tracks I picked up from that:
1. El Capitan
2. Monaco
3. Citta di Aria
4. Costa di Amalfi
5. Grand Canyon
6. Grand Valley Speedway
7. Chamonix

7. We know the cars thought to be in GT HD are now ported into GT5

8. The track maps shown during GT5 Prologue's credits are:
1. Trial Mountain
2. Tahiti Maze
3. Seoul Central
4. Seattle Circuit
5. Opera Paris
6. Chamonix
7. New York
8. Midfield Raceway
9. Motorland
10. Ice Arena
11. Hong Kong
12. Grand Valley Speedway
13. Grand Canyon
14. Fuji Speedway 90's
15. Deep Forest Raceway
16. Citta di Aria
17. Apricot Hill Raceway
18. High Speed Ring
19. El Captan
20. George V Paris
21. Costa di Amalfi
22. Autumn Ring

9. The ever so curious GT5 Prologue weather locations contain the following tracks:
1. Fuji Speedway
2. Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours
3. Brands Hatch
4. Suzuka Circuit
5. Circuit de Monaco
6. Silverstone Circuit
7. Infineon Raceway
8. Tsukuba Circuit
9. Shanghai International
10. Autodromo do Estoril
11. Hockenheimring
12. Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari (Imola)
13. Autodromo Nazionale Monza
14. Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca
15. Twin Ring Motegi
16. Nurburgring (GP)
17. Daytona International Speedway
18. Circuit de la Sarthe
19. Circuit de Spa Francorchamps
20. Circuit Zolder
21. Circuito de Jerez
22. Indianapolis Motor Speedway

10. We really shouldn't expect all of these tracks to make it in. If they do... I will crap myself. Period.

Your Post actually gives me more hope for 60 tracks and 96 variations, as Amar stated way back. Amar has not been wrong about anything he forth told.

20+ locations..just doesn't make any sense for a game the size of GT. Oh well.

Chad

 

[gt5 staff]

I can confirm there will be at least 40+ locations, 20-70 tracks it's not true...
The information about 40+ tracks its over 2 years old, maybe the have increased that number... I will try to get updated informations.

You will all be surpriced when all the tracks get official...

Best regards
The guy that just can't keep a secret

 

[Famine]

I can confirm

You can confirm nothing. You carry no more weight with your posts than any other member - and until you address this post, rather than ignoring it, that situation will remain.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

I can confirm there will be at least 40+ locations, 20-70 tracks it's not true...
The information about 40+ tracks its over 2 years old, maybe the have increased that number... I will try to get updated informations.

You will all be surpriced when all the tracks get official...

Best regards
The guy that just can't keep a secret

You can confirm nothing. You carry no more weight with your posts than any other member - and until you address this post, rather than ignoring it, that situation will remain.

Sorry Mate, I am with Famine on this for sure. I don't even trust members who have been here for years with info like that. Unless they can give me a creditable reference. We all want to believe 60 tracks, 40 tracks..ect, but until PD officially clears up this location nonsense by release a full car and track list, then we DON'T KNOW.. I wouldn't even trust PS magazine. I need to hear it from Kaz's mouth, or it needs to be on GT5.com or PD.com

A word of advice for GTP...you won't make friends around here if you are annoying. And post 'the truth' without creditable sources.

I have read your others posts, and I would love to believe you...but again...if you say you can confirm something, then DO SO.

 

[socomkiller59]

Sorry Mate, I am with Famine on this for sure. I don't even trust members who have been here for years with info like that. Unless they can give me a creditable reference. We all want to believe 60 tracks, 40 tracks..ect, but until PD officially clears up this location nonsense by release a full car and track list, then we DON'T KNOW.. I wouldn't even trust PS magazine. I need to hear it from Kaz's mouth, or it needs to be on GT5.com or PD.com

A word of advice for GTP...you won't make friends around here if you are annoying. And post 'the truth' without creditable sources.

I have read your others posts, and I would love to believe you...but again...if you say you can confirm something, then DO SO.

I'm also with the boat with these people. It's pretty simple to make up a new email, and have it named gt5-staff, so good luck trying to impress us, you are not succeeding in any categories.
Edit- isn't there something about impersonating, or acting, that you are working for PD in the rules? I wouldn't know, but I'm inclined to believe there should be.

 

[shirakawaa]

What We Know[...]

This is my track chart from what is currently known:

 

[Goldrusher]

Fix this:


1) Merge Cathedral Rocks and El Capitan. Same location (Yosemite National Park) and Cathedral Rocks even uses part of the El Capitan track.

2) Merge Chamonix and Ice Arena. Again, 1 location, 2 variations.

3) Merge the Paris tracks. Same city, 2 variations. Close enough.

4) Same with Swiss Alps and Eiger. Roughly the same location.

5) Same with the Special Stage tracks. Even though everything about both tracks is fictional, I don't think SSR11 is in a different city.

6) (The new) Silverstone should have 3 variations.



Other than that, good list. Maybe add a locations total as well.

 

[zepheadGT3]

Great chart! But where did you hear that Special Stage Route 11 was confirmed?

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3911609#post3911609

Go to the 6th post down... so you might want to take SSR11 off your confirmed list

 

[pesk]

Stop the bitchin about the tracks and see the whole picture guys! "TRACK EDITOR" end ov shut your gobs!!!

 

[Famine]

Great chart! But where did you hear that Special Stage Route 11 was confirmed?

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3911609#post3911609

Go to the 6th post down... so you might want to take SSR11 off your confirmed list

From me.

Get GT3. Put it in a console that plays it. Watch the opening movie. If you're still in doubt, for some reason, go play the track in the game.


The post you linked to was just you theorising that it was really a "dramatically redesigned" SSR5. Presumably so dramatically that it becomes SSR11 from GT3.

 

[regnar]

Similar images might have been posted previously, if so my bad.

The two images below might help in clearing up the 20 locations (which has been assumed they where), as they indicate the country next to the circuit type.

 

[toyota_gt1]

So location = America, London, Canada etc.

Variation = tracks broken down into locations.

If this is the case, the track count will be massive.

Nice arrows

 

[Kryz11]

So location = America, London, Canada etc.

Variation = tracks broken down into locations.

If this is the case, the track count will be massive.

Nice arrows

Exactly 👍
70 tracks, with majority of the tracks having 2 verarities and even some 3. It will be massive. Remeber there are some members just working on tracks alone, they never make any cars.

 

[paskowitz]

IMO the number of tracks is more important than the number of cars. Thats what makes PC sims so great. There are literally hundreds of tracks to choose from.

 

[witham]

Exactly 👍
70 tracks, with majority of the tracks having 2 verarities and even some 3. It will be massive. Remeber there are some members just working on tracks alone, they never make any cars.

we could have over 100 tracks with variations, this would be a first in console gaming

 

[trk29]

So location = America, London, Canada etc.

Variation = tracks broken down into locations.

If this is the case, the track count will be massive.

Nice arrows

Variation couldn't be location. You wouldn't call High Speed Ring a variation you would call the Forward and reverse the variation.

we could have over 100 tracks with variations, this would be a first in console gaming

But this is also the first in Blu-Ray gaming.

 

[eSZee]

we could have over 100 tracks with variations, this would be a first in console gaming

Forza3 has 100 or so tracks and variations.
They also released a track pack which surprisingly was the worst selling DLC for the game IIRC.
We also have an interview where Kaz calls one of the tracks a location.
Bumping this thread with "proof" that a country next to a track signifies location/variation was not needed. The idea is nothing new and was discussed months ago.

 

[hardvibes]

Forza3 has 100 or so tracks and variations.

Fixed.
The tracks are 24-25.

 

[Zonda_Guy]

So maybe we could see Sebring if the game possibly has that many tracks.

 

[Matti_Dude]

I think it is a possibility that the country relates to the location. But I have also heard in an interview that the 'locations' were the scenery from which you can take pictures from in photo mode and that the variations are the tracks. Who knows.

 

[hardvibes]

I think it is a possibility that the country relates to the location. But I have also heard in an interview that the 'locations' were the scenery from which you can take pictures from in photo mode and that the variations are the tracks. Who knows.

Maybe. That's why we've seen so many of them (in the prologue, in the demos, in the pictures released, in the E3 video....).

 

[Honda-Crz]

Just wait for Gamescom or TGS 2010. By the way, how many tracks did Gran Turismo 4 have?

 

[timvasvi]

By the way, how many tracks did Gran Turismo 4 have?

Gran Turismo 4 had 42 tracks

I made a list similar to SHIRAKAWA Akira the other day, but I only featured tracks that have previously been in GT games throughout the series.
Note that some of the layouts or names of a few of the tracks may have changed now they have licensing for NASCAR etc.

 

[Emu76]

I can confirm there will be at least 40+ locations, 20-70 tracks it's not true...
The information about 40+ tracks its over 2 years old, maybe the have increased that number... I will try to get updated informations.

You will all be surpriced when all the tracks get official...

Best regards
The guy that just can't keep a secret

More than 40 tracks with over 100 layouts (including all versions of Nurburgring – which nobody’s ever done before). That enough for you?

Ok so "gt5 staff" might just be lying, and there is a 95% chance he is, but remember Jeff Rubenstein's comment on the US PS Blog? It certainly makes so much sense. 20 tracks still seems like nowhere near what the count should be...

 

[drivatar]

I made a list

Nice list but I've found some errors:
Laguna Seca is in GT4, Tokyo R246 and Seattle are in GT3.