The 2012 Driver transfer discussion/speculation thread

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toyotsupra
Perez definately dont forget he is in the ferrari driver academy programme
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He doesn't have the experience yet. He is one to watch for the future, but he hasn't exactly matched Kobayashi. That's like saying that Red Bull won't jump for a skilled driver because he isn't a part of their young driver programme.
 
Well keep in mind Perez is a rookie.
And missed two races this season i believe, Monaco and Canada.

HeĀ“s currently 11-6 in beating his teammate in Q, not counting the two above.

HeĀ“s only 14 points away from Koba and that with two races less.
 
prisonermonkeys
Williams will take Barrichello or Raikkonen, but not both at the same time. Maldonado is simply too valuable to them.
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Are you referring to the sponsor agreement? I think Williams would rather get some podium finishes than have money in the bank. Williams is a name in F1 which does not fit in the bottom tier.
 
fps_christian
Are you referring to the sponsor agreement? I think Williams would rather get some podium finishes than have money in the bank. Williams is a name in F1 which does not fit in the bottom tier.
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Whilst I thoroughly dislike Maldonado (And I am aware that I have a level of bias that clouds my judgement of his performances, but nevertheless...) prisonermonkeys is right. Williams only really stand to lose competitiveness overall if they get rid of Maldonado because with him goes a large chunk of their sponsorship. More money means more development which means more performance, generally.
 
hampus_dh
You could throw all the money in the world at williams, they would still not win any races.
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But they can certainly do better than five points in a single year. Their back-row lock-out in Abu Dhabi was the low point of their lowest season to date (though, admittedly, that had more to do with Cosworth than any degree of incompetence in the team). The deal with QNB to get Raikkonen into the car is said to be worth $30 million. And the arrangement with PDVSA to keep Maldonado in the car is believed to be worth $15 million. Replacing Maldonado with Raikkonen will automatically cut out one-third of their revenue stream.
 
prisonermonkeys
They've had a technical overhaul for 2012.

That's not how it works at all. You don't just stick the car in a windtunnel, turn the wind tunnel on, leave it running for a few hours and when you come back, you have a better car. It's not a cake. The windtunnel only provides feedback on what it working and what is not. It's up to the team to use that feedback to make the car design better.

Williams have also been hurt this year by the use of off-throttle blown diffusers. Hispania first raised objections to it at the Spanish Grand Prix. It quickly became evident that Cosworth simply couldn't make their engine maps work. One of the reasons why Valterri Bottas is doing quite well in the young driver tests is that a lot of the teams are experimenting with "periscope" exhaust outlets to see how they will affect car balance and performance next season. Because of that, they're not blowing their diffusers (even if they have a higher engine map, the exhaust gas isn't being used), and so lose downforce.
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LOL when i say spend it on the wind tunnel i dont mean the actual wind tunnel itself but rather the hours put in the windtunnel.

Funny you mention the EBD..
A thing that you can get more grip on by spending more time in a wind tunnel...
The map was fine, it's how you divert the exhausts that make the big difference.
Renault and RBR is a great example.

Same engine but drastically different exhaust setups to make the most of the exhausts. RBR with the superior version.

The wind tunnel is not to see if stuff works.
Only real tests will give you an answer on that.
Wind tunnel is used to develop aero parts together with CFD.

There is no garantuee that just because it seems to work in the tunnel that it will work as planned in reality.

As far as i know Williams are the only team to run 2012 exhausts and thus you cant compare Bottas with anyone.
 
If you want to discuss technical regulations, please use the technical regulations thread.

Elsewhere ...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96286

Valtteri Bottas is "ready" for Formula 1, and he could step up "if he did an impressive job during his outings for the outfit this week".

Meanwhile ...

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7309749/Parr-amused-by-Kimi-tittle-tattle

Adam Parr is "amused" by talk of Raikkonen joining the team, calling some of the stories "absolute drivel on all fronts".
 
Some people are claiming that PDVSA's sponsorship of Williams is illegal under Venezuelan law, which states that public money cannot be spent without government approval, and nobody seems to be able to produce the contract between PDVSA and Williams. However, a Venezuelan newspaper has published details of the contract, which reveals two very interesting details: firstly, that PDVSA are paying Williams between twenty and twenty-eight million pounds this year along (which is set to increase to somewhere around thirty million in 2012); and secondly, that PDVSA has an unprecendented level of control within the team - they can nominate a list of drivers to Williams (which must be done by October 15), and Williams are obligated to consider them when assessing their driver line-up for the next year (though they are not obligated to take them if they feel those drivers are not suitable).
 
A $225 million contract. Could get quite messy if they can't produce a legitimate contract. You have to wonder why they wouldn't be able to produce the contract yet, being that it's for so much money.
 
That's not confirmation that Petrov is leaving. Only that he is unhappy. In fact, it would be within Renault's interests to a) keep him and b) address his concerns. If they drop him now, it sends a poor message to the rest of the paddock: that anyone who dares to question Renault's judgement will be sent packing. With the team in need of funds if they drop him, no sponsor is going to want to commit to them.
 
Your use of inverted commas is noted. While he might be making a show of doing it publicly, he apologised to the team privately (and it appaers he did it before the first story was published).
 
So because a guy who has spent the entire season saying "yes, I can work on this for the next race" puts his hand up and says "yes, I was wrong, I spoke out of turn", he's being insincere and just trying to save face? Sincerity is actually a huge deal to Russians. I know; a lot of my friends are Russian, and if there is one thing that I have learned from them, it's that I'd better not say something to them if I don't mean it. We've seen this all season long: if Petrov screws up, he admits it. He doesn't push blame. And even if this public apology is window-dressing, if you actually read it, it makes it pretty clear that Petrov went to Renault before making the apology public.
 
I really don't understand why they're hyping it up as an "amazing outburst" anyway. It wasn't like he was just talking trash about the team. He was explaining the order of events that led to where they ended up. Criticizing the team is one thing, but speaking about things that didn't go the way you had planned is another. I don't think he should have owed the team an apology, but I guess that's just the result of the politics he's involved in.
 
This transfer season could get complicated soon, so I'll break down some of the latest points, as you know Petrov's unhappy with Lotus even if they make peace in the public, if you're not upset with the team you don't criticise them and then withdraw it. He could be on his way to Williams to replace Maldonado since the PDVSA money could be on its way out ( link ) Petrov is known to have bought sponsorship to Lotus which Williams would be desperate for, that would open up another Lotus seat for Kimi Raikkonen ( link ) which is the kind of experienced, quick driver to lead the team forward, basically what Kubica could do if he was back for next year (and with them if you believe the rumours that their relationship broke down after Heidfeld's sacking), A driver like Kimi would be the ideal teammate to the Lotus number 2 which looks like either Romain Grosjean or Bruno Senna.

Of course this is speculation based around various articles, believe as much or little as you want to.
 
Sounds pretty good in my book.

It seems Romain will get his second shot at F1, he has shown heĀ“s a very good driver, a very entertaining driver in GP2 so maybe now heĀ“s matured enough to take the big step.
 
Sach_F1
I really don't understand why they're hyping it up as an "amazing outburst" anyway. It wasn't like he was just talking trash about the team. He was explaining the order of events that led to where they ended up. Criticizing the team is one thing, but speaking about things that didn't go the way you had planned is another. I don't think he should have owed the team an apology, but I guess that's just the result of the politics he's involved in.
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Well, Eric Boullier considers the matter to be over:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96335
 
Actually, it makes perfect sense why it was hyped up... media. So, Petrov to stay then you think?
 
I don't think the media had anything to do with it. Petrov had alredy apologised to the team before the first English-language story broke. Though I would not be too surprised if Petrov agrees to stand down for Brazil as a form of apology.

I think he'll stay. Especially if the team promote Grosjean to a full-time race seat; they'll need someone experienced and familiar with the team to lead them. They also need the money he brings, though Genii need to work on developing connections within Russia.
 
prisonermonkeys
I don't think the media had anything to do with it. Petrov had alredy apologised to the team before the first English-language story broke. Though I would not be too surprised if Petrov agrees to stand down for Brazil as a form of apology.

I think he'll stay. Especially if the team promote Grosjean to a full-time race seat; they'll need someone experienced and familiar with the team to lead them. They also need the money he brings, though Genii need to work on developing connections within Russia.
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A form of apology would be to go and finish on the podium.....
 
I dont think its a matter of feasablity or not. A better form of apology would be to actually go and finish on the podium. In someway or somehow. We've seen stranger things happen like hulkenberg on Pole
 
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