The 2012 Driver transfer discussion/speculation thread

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This is probably the most ridiculous statement i've seen on this page (And there are quite a few).

After the season Hamilton has had I don't think Ferrari would touch him with a barge pole. Plus i'm sure Alonso would have something to say about that after their 'partnership' at Mclaren.

Massa's seat is at risk and there are plenty of drivers who could fill it, but I honestly can't see anyone outperforming Alonso. First Schumacher and now Alonso, is Rosberg just going through the field trying to outperform the best? I guess he'll be at Red Bull with Vettel in 2014 then.

The rumour is probably just a cue from Ferrari for Massa to up his game.

DOMENICALI himself has stated that it would be FOOLISH to deny a driver of Hamilton´s caliber in Ferrari. He said he would welcome him.

Anyone that takes this season and base that on Hamilton´s skills is what i see as FOOLISH.

Anyone that has followed Hamilton´s career and even seen what he did in his first few races or what he did to Alonso should have a very clear thought on Hamilton being the absolute fastest driver this planet has seen since Ayrton Senna. And that is coming from a through and through Alonso fan.
I´m not blind, let´s just say that.

Alonso has also said he would not mind it. As he´s said with regards to Vettel aswell.
He´s a fighter he doesn´t care. It wasn´t Hamilton he was mad at in the first place but rather Mclaren.

Massa´s seat is not at risk. Ferrari knows Felipe is a good driver and they use him as support while Alonso goes hunting for the title.

The only time his seat is at risk is if Hamilton or Vettel comes knocking on the door.
If it really were at risk and they had no belief in him you would not see him with a contract for next year.

Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali has stated that he would love to see Lewis Hamilton racing under the Scuderia banner, however does not anticipate it happening in the near future.

18/10/11

After the season Hamilton has had I don't think Ferrari would touch him with a barge pole.

This is probably the most ridiculous statement i've seen on this page

I agree 100%.
 
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French media are reporting that Charles Pic will be confirmed at Marussia's second driver at the Brazilian Grand Prix.
 
Despite the announcement made by Team Lotus, I think we all certainly know that he will not be staying in F1 for any longer. I'd suggest that in case if Trulli decided to leave the team, the driver that will replace him is either another experienced F1 driver or Davide Valsecchi...
 
Valsecchi? Where's Ardius!?

Fernandes is running Pic, Rossi in the young driver tests, and possibly Razia and Valsecchi. If Trulli's seat is freed up, one of those four could be in contention for the seat. I daresay they'll also look at the other drivers being run by Renault-powered teams - Korjus, Charouz and Wickens at Renault; Bottas and Bortolotti at Williams.
 
As bizzare as it is, Fernandes might as well take Bruno Senna in case if his seat in Renault being taken by Grosjean... Bruno has got some experience in hands after a couple of races this year so there might be a possibility don't you think?
 
Well, current drivers are a distinct possibility. But I'm not so sure about Renault - they're procrastinating over Kubica, and they won't make a decision until they know he is ready (or not ready). If they keep putting it off, Fernandes may cut his losses and make a decision early. And if Senna think he's in with a shot at staying at Renault, he may resist overtures from Fernandes.

Of the young drivers, I think Charles Pic is probably their best bet. I know that he's been linked to Virgin, but his family money comes from a comany closesly tied to Renault, who power Caterham. Giedo van der Garde isn't testing for them, but he'd be another good choice.

The others are either haevily involved with other teams (Wickens/Marussia, Bottas/Williams, Charouz/Renault), are believed to be looking at a GP2 campaign next year (Rossi), have been in GP2 for too long to make any real impact (Valsecchi and Razia), or are just plain rank outsiders (Korjus, but I think he's one to watch in the future). Finally, there's Mirko Bortolotti, who is the reigning Formula Two champion, but struggled in GP3, so I think he'd need to run in GP2 first.

So, assuming both Caterham seats are up for grabs in both Formula 1 and GP2, then I think the best place is to pair Kovalainen and Pic in Formula 1, and Rossi with Korjus in GP2.
 
Why on earth would both sides sign a contract for 2012 and then break it? One or the other would surely have to give compensation for early termination. Seeing as this "source" doesn't give anything but just telling us that there is a rumour I'll believe this when it gets reported by others with more information.

I'm not sure why you call my name with Valsecchi, I never said he wouldn't be a candidate for the seat. I've only ever said I don't think he is going to be as good as Trulli. I don't have an issue with him getting the seat - I was only responding to people talking about Trulli like he isn't good for anything - he's certainly better than an average GP2 driver.

For all we know, Barrichello or Sutil could get the seat.
 
Why on earth would both sides sign a contract for 2012 and then break it? One or the other would surely have to give compensation for early termination.
According to the print edition of Autosport:
Trulli is highly-rated by chief technical officer Mike Gascoyne, and it’s understood that the extra year of his deal was agreed as a cost-saving measure, spreading his existing salary over two years rather than one. But paddock whispers suggest that his seat could still be available for a driver with the cash to fund a pay-off.
 
Dun-dun-dduuunnnnn ...
Party over for India's 'King of Good Times' Vijay Mallya?

Dean Nelson, New Delhi

The party may be over for India's 'King of Good Times', Vijay Mallya, the flamboyant Indian liquor and Formula One racing tycoon, whose debt-ridden Kingfisher Airlines is threatened with collapse.

Mr Mallya's billionaire lifestyle has been a symbol of India's soaring economic rise since he launched his airline in 2005, and a factor in his reputation as 'India's Richard Branson.'

He owns a fleet of luxury vintage cars, bought his own Formula One racing team – Force India – sails a $100 million (£63 million) private yacht in the Arabian Sea, and hand picks pretty 'models' as hostesses for his Kingfisher Airlines.

Other models adorn the glossy pages of his Kingfisher Calendar while the garden of one his luxury homes is said to feature a life-size statue of the Bollywood actress and Big Brother star Shilpa Shetty.

Three years ago they launched a Mumbai to London Heathrow service to much fanfare, which has been followed up with a Delhi to London flight.

His acquisitions have included Britain's Whyte and Mackay distillers, which make the Dalmore and Jura single malts, and the French winemaker Bouvet-Ladubay, one of the world's largest producers of sparkling wine.

But today the 'King of Good Times' appears to have lost his touch as the airline which lent glamour to his otherwise portly, primped appearance has nosedived under mounting debts.

Both private banks and government officials have ruled out a rescue package for India's second largest carrier.

Kingfisher is reported to owe more than $1 billion in loans to Indian banks alone and is losing key staff as salaries go unpaid. Travel agents throughout the country are now advising passengers to boycott the airline in favour of rivals over the high number of Kingfisher flights being cancelled.

Signs that Mr Mallya's debt crisis was mounting emerged earlier this year when he announced he was closing down his low-budget Kingfisher Red airline to focus on a 'full-service' operation to cut losses.

But fears for the future of the airline have intensified amid increased flight cancellations.

Last month, Mr Mallya was forced to put on brave smile to announce a deal for a rival tycoon to become an equal partner in Force India in exchange for a £60 million investment on the eve of India's first ever Grand Prix.

Leading Indian business figures said they had sympathy for Mr Mallya, but it was a symptom of India's wider growth story.

Gopichand Hinduja, of the London-based Hinduja Group, said Mr Mallya had been a good brand ambassador for India, and that it was unfortunate Kingfisher had hit problems just as doubts over the country's 'growth story' had halted major foreign investments.

He said airlines like Kingfisher were key strategic assets for Indian business and tourism but all but a few were losing money because of high fuel prices and taxes. The government should rescue the whole airline industry, he said.

"Vijay Mallya is a good friend of my family and has always presented India well. There should be a policy which can help, they can give life by some oxygen on [loan] repayments," he said.

Subodh Agrawal, the London-based merchant banker who finances Indian takeovers, said while the 'King of Good Times' may be flagging right now, he believes Kingfisher's cancellations are part of a cunning strategy to reconfigure his airliners and complete his withdrawal from the loss-making low-cost flight sector.

"India is going to suffer, but it isn't a story which has gone bad. In the long run the growth potential is huge. It is a smart move by Mallya to get out of low cost airlines," he said.

The 'King of Good Times' will be back, he added.
 
The guy who won this years GP3 title could be a strong Candidate for a williams drive next year if he does well in the young drivers test well see

edit: is there any threads open about the young drivers test?
 
The guy who won this years GP3 title could be a strong Candidate for a williams drive next year if he does well in the young drivers test well see

edit: is there any threads open about the young drivers test?

I'm thinking Bottas will go to GP2 for more experience whilst Williams sign Sutil alongside Maldonado for about 2 seasons then bring in Bottas once Sutil's contract expires.
 
His name is Valtteri Bottas, and he's already been linked to the drive if Raikkonen does not sign up with them. However, if Williams do not secure Raikkonen, then I'd say Adrian Sutil or Rubens Barrichello is more likely to race in 2012.
 
Why so sure Sutil will leave? :)

He is doing a better job then Di Resta at the moment. (i know Di Resta is a rookie)

He is practically 10 in the championship if he gets one more point, Heidfeld is not around anymore.

36 - Petrov
34 - Sutil
23 - Di Resta

I´d say he´s doing a great job and if he trumps Petrov it means he´s ahead of Renault driver-wise.
Best possible position he could get this year is 9th.
That is pretty good since only Mercedes, Ferrari, Mclaren and RBR are ahead driver wise.

Not so sure they can do anything about the Constructiors position though, 15 points to Renault.
 
Update: it looks like Mallya might be in really serious trouble. He Tweeted this about ten hours ago:
Spent 6 hours with the media today to share facts about Kingfisher Airlines. Was pushed, shoved and yelled at in a frenzy to get a byte.
[...]
No lunch, no coffee, not a moments rest for 5 hours. Was virtually accosted by a frenzied media. Finally they started assaulting each other.
Six hours makes it sound like the media really took him to trial on this one. When Allan Joyce, the CEO of Qantas, grounded his airliner, he didn't spend six hours before the media.

And is it just me, or does Vijay Mallya come across as really condescending here, as if the media should not dare to question him because of his prominence?
 
Massa is kinda safe because it's easy for Ferrari to keep things the way they are, and Alonso is happy to have someone who isn't really going to outdo him anytime soon, it's a unified team from what I see, so there's no need to throw the eggs in the fire.

Tell you what I do like though, new faces in F1, it's good to get a few people "rotated" through the roster each year, it's nice to have that little extra something to look out for each race.
 
Massa is kinda safe because it's easy for Ferrari to keep things the way they are, and Alonso is happy to have someone who isn't really going to outdo him anytime soon, it's a unified team from what I see, so there's no need to throw the eggs in the fire.
There is no indication that Massa will be dropped. There was a rumour that Nico Rosberg would replace him, but that was put to rest when he re-signed with Mercedes.
 
Dani Clos wants to race with Hispania in 2012:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96249

Clos might not be the best choice, and I know I've opposed stunt signings based on nationality before, but I think he would be good for the team. Thesan Capital are trying to consolidate the team and establish them in Valencia. A Spanish driver would go a long way to boosting their profile and kick-starting their 2012 season.
 
Almost the end of this season and honestly, I don't see much change next year.

Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull and Mercedes will have the same drivers. Renault will probably keep Senna (I don't see Kubica suddenly sweeping in, maybe mid-season but not straight away). Force India might take Hülkenberg over Sutil, Sauber will keep drivers and so will probably Toro Rosso. Williams will probably keep Barichello and lets hope they get Kimmi on board. Lotus..probably same drivers, but I think it's time for Trulli to retire. Virgin will keep Glock, replace Dambrosio with new up-and-coming GP2 driver whilst HRT keep Ricciardo (if he doesn't move to STR) and maybe get Sutil.

I think we will see more driver changes in 2013 (Vettel to Ferrari, Lewis to Red Bull, old guys retire).
 
Massa is kinda safe because it's easy for Ferrari to keep things the way they are, and Alonso is happy to have someone who isn't really going to outdo him anytime soon, it's a unified team from what I see, so there's no need to throw the eggs in the fire.

Tell you what I do like though, new faces in F1, it's good to get a few people "rotated" through the roster each year, it's nice to have that little extra something to look out for each race.

There is no indication that Massa will be dropped. There was a rumour that Nico Rosberg would replace him, but that was put to rest when he re-signed with Mercedes.

Massa is safe, but I bet his seat will be burning hot from Lap 1 at Melbourne next year.
 
Someone who I think could be a great replacement for Massa in 2013 would be Heikki Kovalainen if Caterham aren't making the right progress.
 
Someone who I think could be a great replacement for Massa in 2013 would be Heikki Kovalainen if Caterham aren't making the right progress.

I'd say Perez or Kobayashi have a better chance. 👍
 
I'd say Perez or Kobayashi have a better chance. 👍

Would love to see either of those in but i hope for Kubica. His contract expires next year so if he´s healthy then i think Ferrari will take him.

Him and Alonso are very good friends aswell.
 
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