The 2018 F1 driver transfer discussion/speculation threadFormula 1

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

They weren’t claims, they were questions, discussion points.

Which is why I used the more appropriate term predictions

If there’s some driver in junior formula who you think could potentially end up in a Sauber or Haas next year, then suggest the name instead of trying to imply I’m woefully under informed. That would be the way normal people would go about having a discussion.

I can't because I don't. Simply because the market of drivers that especially Haas has laid claim to has imploded over this past weekend in a negative way. Sauber typically don't have a much to put into a junior program so they really don't have anyone. The one person they do have is to me more of a PR campaign than a serious contender. So since I can't predict the future, but can only suggest how it may unfold due to the history of the sport which has for the most part steered me correctly, I'm not going to claim any junior drivers for them. Giovanazzi seems like the only realistic choice, but he isn't a junior driver or an academy driver, he's a current Ferrari third driver.

 

[mustafur]

Wow, again just trying to have friendly discussion, and the typical response is, “huhuhuhu, look how stoopid he is”.

With prize money from finishing not last, and increased support from Ferrari, do Sauber still need Ericsson’s money (btw I’m completely aware of why he has his seat).

As for replacements, I mentioned Giovinazzi, Kvyat, and Fuoco, all of whom are either Ferrari young drivers, or in Kvyat’s case a Ferrari reserve driver. The fact I specifically mentioned those 3, who do not currently have seats in F1, yet @LMSCorvetteGT2 seems to think I only mentioned current F1 drivers therefor implying I don’t watch the feeder series and therefor have no idea what I’m talking about....makes me wonder a) how well he can really read and b) why does he always post like he has a stick up his ass?

Edit: in case you hadn’t noticed, I was the one who created the junior formula thread, and I was the most recent one to post in that thread....doesn’t watch the junior formula, please

The response was because atleast from what I've seen on here the reason ericsson is still in F1 was common knowledge at this point, as a driver he makes no sense on how he has stayed all this time generally being outperformed to destroyed every season by a team mate.

 

[twitcher]

Which is why I used the more appropriate term predictions

They weren’t predictions either, and you did use the word “claim”, in the paragraph where you pointed out you weren’t the only one laughing at me and my “claims”.

I can't because I don't. Simply because the market of drivers that especially Haas has laid claim to has imploded over this past weekend in a negative way. Sauber typically don't have a much to put into a junior program so they really don't have anyone. The one person they do have is to me more of a PR campaign than a serious contender. So since I can't predict the future, but can only suggest how it may unfold due to the history of the sport which has for the most part steered me correctly, I'm not going to claim any junior drivers for them. Giovanazzi seems like the only realistic choice, but he isn't a junior driver or an academy driver, he's a current Ferrari third driver.

So you’re opening post in this convo states that I only listed drivers who currently have seats, therefor implying I don’t watch the junior catagories. I listed 5 drivers, 3 of which are not currently in F1 seats. How you reach the conclusion that I only listed people with seats, and that implies I don’t watch the junior stuff is a mystery.

You then go on to say in your next post that because Fuoco is the only junior driver I listed, that somehow implies I don’t watch the junior catagories with “intent”...

...which you follow up by suggesting no junior drivers yourself.

I know about Calderon, I don’t think she’s going to get a race seat, which is why I didn’t mention her. I know about Ferucchi and his antics this past weekend, I was posting about them in the junior formula thread. I don’t think he’s a contender for the haas race seat, which is why I didn’t mention him.

So, other that laughing at me for thinking there’s at least a chance this might be Ericsson’s last season, and vaguely mentioning drivers who most people think dont have a realistic shot at a race seat, do you have anything else to add?

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@mustafur

The response was because atleast from what I've seen on here the reason ericsson is still in F1 was common knowledge at this point, as a driver he makes no sense on how he has stayed all this time generally being outperformed to destroyed every season by a team mate.

It’s pretty common knowledge why Ericsson has his seat, but he won’t have that seat forever. Eventually that little pet project is going to come to an end, and I think after 4 years it has about run its course. He may be back next year, but I don’t think it’s a guarantee like it has been for the previous few seasons.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The response was because atleast from what I've seen on here the reason ericsson is still in F1 was common knowledge at this point, as a driver he makes no sense on how he has stayed all this time generally being outperformed to destroyed every season by a team mate.

And what's more hilarious, is the team mate is never the same person, nearly every year he's been in the sport it's been a different guy and him with the most experience with the crew...gets beaten

They weren’t predictions either, and you did use the word “claim”, in the paragraph where you pointed out you weren’t the only one laughing at me and my “claims”.

Never said I didn't, I said I tried to use a more appropriate word, and stick to that, if I didn't then it was by mistake that I didn't. If you're that offended by what essentially could be considered a claim or prediction, then I'd ask what you would call what you've been doing since the thread was created. And I will try to refer to what you doing as such.

So you’re opening post in this convo states that I only listed drivers who currently have seats, therefor implying I don’t watch the junior catagories. I listed 5 drivers, 3 of which are not currently in F1 seats. How you reach the conclusion that I only listed people with seats, and that implies I don’t watch the junior stuff is a mystery.

No, one of which isn't. Just because Giovanazzi isn't out there every Sunday doesn't mean he isn't contracted and paid by Ferrari for the role of Third seat and testing. If Seb couldn't race this weekend like he thought may have been an issue guess who'd be driving for him? Hence why he is already a prospect for next season. Kvyat is a test/dev driver who in the off chance both regular drivers couldn't run, he'd be in one of those seats to fulfill the role. Fuoco is the only one who doesn't have a seat, and who doesn't have actual F1 race experience. Every other driver you listed does, sorry if I have to break down what I consider being part of the team and actively having a seat or role in said teams.

You did not name any other drivers at all other than the one I missed (Fuoco) who are feeder series prospects, which is why I stated the way I originally stated. I said I made a mistake missing Fuoco, but it's easy to see why I said what I originally said.

You then go on to say in your next post that because Fuoco is the only junior driver I listed, that somehow implies I don’t watch the junior catagories with “intent”...

Yes correct

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..which you follow up by suggesting no junior drivers yourself.

Not true at all, what I said is that the drivers that are potential for these teams, are not ready or will never be ready. Santino has shot any chance of being in F1, and he'd be lucky if he finds a drive ever after last weekend. Arjun will clearly get slack and more time to prove himself but from what has been shown, is a driver that is marginally better than his soon to be no longer team mate. And said team mate wasn't on form to take the seat at Haas either. Neither is Arjun. No other drivers are currently tied to said seat that any of us know of. I could name drivers that I think have a chance, but as I said I'm not going to make a fantasy draft.

I know about Calderon, I don’t think she’s going to get a race seat, which is why I didn’t mention her. I know about Ferucchi and his antics this past weekend, I was posting about them in the junior formula thread. I don’t think he’s a contender for the haas race seat, which is why I didn’t mention him.

Wait so I didn't name drivers you say, but you some how know of the feeder drivers I was talking about? Color me surprised.

So, other that laughing at me for thinking there’s at least a chance this might be Ericsson’s last season, and vaguely mentioning drivers who most people think dont have a realistic shot at a race seat, do you have anything else to add?

I've added plenty like why said predictions you make (be it fun or not) are unrealistic. I'd ask do you have anything to add other than people constantly telling you why things are most likely not to happen?

EDIT: So I took the time to go through the pages, and highlight my contributions since you asked. So on page one I inform a user why Wherlien would not be coming back to F1, and was right. On page two I talk about Sirotkin getting the seat over Kubica and why exactly that is. On page 3 I break the news of Latifi's father injecting McLaren with a couple hundred million dollars, and potential implications of said buy in. Funny enough you yourself are surprised by it and comment on it.

Page 4 I get into a debate with an individual who seemingly thinks Ricciardo is overrated. And give facts and stats to the contrary. What I've contributed in the last few pages since the start of this triple header it's been a constant back and forth on your predictions.

 

[twitcher]

And what's more hilarious, is the team mate is never the same person, nearly every year he's been in the sport it's been a different guy and him with the most experience with the crew...gets beaten



Never said I didn't, I said I tried to use a more appropriate word, and stick to that, if I didn't then it was by mistake that I didn't. If you're that offended by what essentially could be considered a claim or prediction, then I'd ask what you would call what you've been doing since the thread was created. And I will try to refer to what you doing as such.



No, one of which isn't. Just because Giovanazzi isn't out there every Sunday doesn't mean he isn't contracted and paid by Ferrari for the role of Third seat and testing. If Seb couldn't race this weekend like he thought may have been an issue guess who'd be driving for him? Hence why he is already a prospect for next season. Kvyat is a test/dev driver who in the off chance both regular drivers couldn't run, he'd be in one of those seats to fulfill the role. Fuoco is the only one who doesn't have a seat, and who doesn't have actual F1 race experience. Every other driver you listed does, sorry if I have to break down what I consider being part of the team and actively having a seat or role in said teams.

You did not name any other drivers at all other than the one I missed (Fuoco) who are feeder series prospects, which is why I stated the way I originally stated. I said I made a mistake missing Fuoco, but it's easy to see why I said what I originally said.



Yes correct

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Not true at all, what I said is that the drivers that are potential for these teams, are not ready or will never be ready. Santino has shot any chance of being in F1, and he'd be lucky if he finds a drive ever after last weekend. Arjun will clearly get slack and more time to prove himself but from what has been shown, is a driver that is marginally better than his soon to be no longer team mate. And said team mate wasn't on form to take the seat at Haas either. Neither is Arjun. No other drivers are currently tied to said seat that any of us know of. I could name drivers that I think have a chance, but as I said I'm not going to make a fantasy draft.



Wait so I didn't name drivers you say, but you some how know of the feeder drivers I was talking about? Color me surprised.



I've added plenty like why said predictions you make (be it fun or not) are unrealistic. I'd ask do you have anything to add other than people constantly telling you why things are most likely not to happen?

EDIT: So I took the time to go through the pages, and highlight my contributions since you asked. So on page one I inform a user why Wherlien would not be coming back to F1, and was right. On page two I talk about Sirotkin getting the seat over Kubica and why exactly that is. On page 3 I break the news of Latifi's father injecting McLaren with a couple hundred million dollars, and potential implications of said buy in. Funny enough you yourself are surprised by it and comment on it.

Page 4 I get into a debate with an individual who seemingly thinks Ricciardo is overrated. And give facts and stats to the contrary. What I've contributed in the last few pages since the start of this triple header it's been a constant back and forth on your predictions.

You can break it down however you want, reserve driver or test driver is not a race seat. 3/5 I listed don’t have race seats. Your original comment was “only listed guys with seats”, which is completely incorrect, no matter how you break it down.

The rest of your post, your talking in circles around yourself. I think I might take your advice and put your on ignore, as having a back and forth convo with you is near impossible.

No idea why you went to check your contributions on page one. You seriously lack social skills if you think anything I said required you to check your page one and four contributions.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

You can break it down however you want, reserve driver or test driver is not a race seat. 3/5 I listed don’t have race seats. Your original comment was “only listed guys with seats”, which is completely incorrect, no matter how you break it down.

Which since then again, I said I made a mistake when I missed Fuoco among the names like Perez, Raikkonen, Kvyat and Giovanazzi all drivers that are currenlty signed to F1 teams. That was my point in saying drivers who have seats. Fuoco again does not have one, is strictly a feeder driver with academy backing, the same academy backing he's had for the past five years.

The rest of your post, your talking in circles around yourself. I think I might take your advice and put your on ignore, as having a back and forth convo with you is near impossible.

For example? I mean by all means if you want to ignore me be my guest, but at least have the courtesy to provide insight on where I'm supposedly talking circles around myself. You asked what drivers I think in the feeder series are in line for the seat, I said not sure, cause the prospects they have aren't going to get those seats, and if they have someone else in mind I wouldn't know cause I can't predict futures or read minds.

Which leads me back to my original statement the last time you brought up these names, and that is their risk of being let go is very minimal especially Ericsson. And until otherwise shown, I'm going to stand by that belief which I have.

No idea why you went to check your contributions on page one. You seriously lack social skills if you think anything I said required you to check your page one and four contributions.

You said I don't have anything else to add, I've shown what I have added to this thread since it started simple. I've proven I add quite a lot despite you feeling attacked, simply because I respond to you. You're posting some very off the wall stuff in my eyes, and when people typically do that, others will call them on it. Why you're offended because of very topical to the sport conversation that at times can get decisive is again beyond me.

 

[twitcher]

Which since then again, I said I made a mistake when I missed Fuoco among the names like Perez, Raikkonen, Kvyat and Giovanazzi all drivers that are currenlty signed to F1 teams. That was my point in saying drivers who have seats. Fuoco again does not have one, is strictly a feeder driver with academy backing, the same academy backing he's had for the past five years.



For example? I mean by all means if you want to ignore me be my guest, but at least have the courtesy to provide insight on where I'm supposedly talking circles around myself. You asked what drivers I think in the feeder series are in line for the seat, I said not sure, cause the prospects they have aren't going to get those seats, and if they have someone else in mind I wouldn't know cause I can't predict futures or read minds.

Which leads me back to my original statement the last time you brought up these names, and that is their risk of being let go is very minimal especially Ericsson. And until otherwise shown, I'm going to stand by that belief which I have.



You said I don't have anything else to add, I've shown what I have added to this thread since it started simple. I've proven I add quite a lot despite you feeling attacked, simply because I respond to you. You're posting some very off the wall stuff in my eyes, and when people typically do that, others will call them on it. Why you're offended because of very topical to the sport conversation that at times can get decisive is again beyond me.

So if I don’t list junior drivers aside from Fuoco, it’s because I “don’t watch the junior catagories with intent”. If you don’t list any junior drivers, it’s because there aren’t any worth listing


And please, what have I said that is “off the wall” this should be good.

I’m not offended, I just get very annoyed with the way you approach conversations. You started this engagement by automatically assuming that I’m uninformed because of something I didn’t say....which gets even more rediculous when you don’t really have anything to add yourself, regarding drivers in the junior catagories.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

So if I don’t list junior drivers aside from Fuoco, it’s because I “don’t watch the junior catagories with intent”. If you don’t list any junior drivers, it’s because there aren’t any worth listing

Okay first off, you keep misquoting what I said, I said I wonder how much you follow it or if you follow it at all. Didn't say you didn't follow. I ask because there are plenty of people who don't care for the feeder series and rather watch F1. Two you named plenty of F1 drivers that have driven the current reg cars and are in teams all but again Fuoco.

No I said again (since you keep on misquoting me) that I didn't name any drivers with ties to the teams because they're not going to get the seats you think should be up for grabs. And there hasn't been anyone else claimed to be in contact as of yet for those seats in the junior formula. Giovanazzi is the only name I've seen tied to a seat with either team (mostly Sauber). There has been talks that Alonso will leave after this year and possibly Kimi will take over, which I find hard to believe but stranger things have happened.

And please, what have I said that is “off the wall” this should be good.

I mean go back a couple pages, the wonder of "will Hamilton possibly exit at the end of the year after supposedly being on Christina Aguielar's album?" Suggesting the potential of Kvyat taking over Ericcson's seat just now or even Fuoco.

I’m not offended, I just get very annoyed with the way you approach conversations. You started this engagement by automatically assuming that I’m uninformed because of something I didn’t say....which gets even more rediculous when you don’t really have anything to add yourself, regarding drivers in the junior catagories.

What gets ridiculous is that you post the same what ifs and people inform you (not just me) why that isn't plausible at the moment and yet you keep coming back with it. If it's your personal desire then say so. If I had said you were uninformed or thought so to the degree you think, I have said it outright. Which is why I posed it in a way that you could clarify.

As for drivers in the junior category I have added conversation on it. And even showed so in a post prior proving what I've brought to this thread. This isn't the junior formula thread to begin with, if it was I'd be in there talking up certain drivers. However, teams are typically good at letting junior driver's know they're interested which is why I know that there isn't much for Sauber and Haas, and likely why they'll keep who they have if they can.

 

[adb]

When you think Ericssons seat is in danger because of his performance lololol.

If it was the case he wouldn't of survived his rookie season.

Sauber of 2018 is not Sauber of last years. They don’t need Marcus, and this year he’s being demolished with 0,5sec gaps in qualy week in week out, as compared to last year with Wehrlein when they were the closest pair in qualy. There is no reason not to go with Ferrari backed squad of Giovinazzi/Kvyat.
But wouldn’t be surprised to see him kept in 2019 just for a point of reference if Charles goes red

 

[DesertPenguin]

@LMSCorvetteGT2 @twitcher
Can you two get a room lol

 

[twitcher]

Okay first off, you keep misquoting what I said, I said I wonder how much you follow it or if you follow it at all. Didn't say you didn't follow. I ask because there are plenty of people who don't care for the feeder series and rather watch F1. Two you named plenty of F1 drivers that have driven the current reg cars and are in teams all but again Fuoco.

No I said again (since you keep on misquoting me) that I didn't name any drivers with ties to the teams because they're not going to get the seats you think should be up for grabs. And there hasn't been anyone else claimed to be in contact as of yet for those seats in the junior formula. Giovanazzi is the only name I've seen tied to a seat with either team (mostly Sauber). There has been talks that Alonso will leave after this year and possibly Kimi will take over, which I find hard to believe but stranger things have happened.




I mean go back a couple pages, the wonder of "will Hamilton possibly exit at the end of the year after supposedly being on Christina Aguielar's album?" Suggesting the potential of Kvyat taking over Ericcson's seat just now or even Fuoco.



What gets ridiculous is that you post the same what ifs and people inform you (not just me) why that isn't plausible at the moment and yet you keep coming back with it. If it's your personal desire then say so. If I had said you were uninformed or thought so to the degree you think, I have said it outright. Which is why I posed it in a way that you could clarify.

As for drivers in the junior category I have added conversation on it. And even showed so in a post prior proving what I've brought to this thread. This isn't the junior formula thread to begin with, if it was I'd be in there talking up certain drivers. However, teams are typically good at letting junior driver's know they're interested which is why I know that there isn't much for Sauber and Haas, and likely why they'll keep who they have if they can.

Since you didn’t really name any junior drivers, only adding Maini’s name to the list, I’m not really sure you watch the junior formula with much intent, so there’s not much point in continuing this convo.

You also have pretty off the wall personal definition of what constitutes a race seat.

What same “what if’s”....i made one post suggesting some possible driver shuffles, I got laughed and had my knowledge of junior formula questioned. I only made one post with “what ifs” so why you think I keep repeating them, and why you think sooo many people have to keep correcting me (it’s just you), again, is a mystery. And why you’re dragging up a convo about Lewis from a week ago that is completely unrelated to this, I don’t understand. The only reason you bring it up is as an example of how “off the wall” I am. I’m not really that off the wall, it just seems you are completely flat on the floor, and get annoyed by people who post things you don’t approve of.

You’re reading my posts, but you’re drawing very strange conclusion, twisting what I say into something you want it to be, just so you can then argue against it.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Since you didn’t really name any junior drivers, only adding Maini’s name to the list, I’m not really sure you watch the junior formula with much intent, so there’s not much point in continuing this convo.

I named three drivers indirectly from the start, and said all three are unlikely to join because they have not done anything of merit. I said that any other drivers tied to potential F1 drivers are already taken by other teams. I pay attention close enough to know who is on the up and coming and who isn't and why. What's interesting is your trying to slight me as hard as you can with each post in a personal matter, seemingly due to feeling slighted yourself. I'm not attacking you, I'm debating the posts, not the person. I simply asked questions you could have answered rather than get upset or whatever you'd call it.

You also have pretty off the wall personal definition of what constitutes a race seat.

That's fine if you believe such, that's my criteria. Since they are contracted to the team are they not?

What same “what if’s”....i made one post suggesting some possible driver shuffles, I got laughed and had my knowledge of junior formula questioned. I only made one post with “what ifs” so why you think I keep repeating them, and why you think sooo many people have to keep correcting me (it’s just you), again, is a mystery. And why you’re dragging up a convo about Lewis from a week ago that is completely unrelated to this, I don’t understand. The only reason you bring it up is as an example of how “off the wall” I am. I’m not really that off the wall, it just seems you are completely flat on the floor, and get annoyed by people who post things you don’t approve of.

Yeah one person laughed, I questioned you. I'm having trouble seeing where this isn't allowed and why you can't simply rebuke it rather than bringing out a personal issue with it all. It's a forum, heated debates happen, on and on and on again. Your what if posts of hypothetical are just that, and which is why many here seem to not take them overly serious when asked about over and over. And give you concise reasons as to again why they're unlikely.

What do you not understand you asked a question I gave an answer that was appropriate to it. You asked what you said was off the wall, I read that as in general to this thread regarding driver transfers. If you were specifying a particular post then I sorry for over-analyzing that moment. Though I did give what I found off the wall about those.

You’re reading my posts, but you’re drawing very strange conclusion, twisting what I say into something you want it to be, just so you can then argue against it.

Did you not ask questions of do we think Lewis will exit F1 to pursue music after this year? And then wanted further elaboration when you were told not likely? Did you not ask about the likelihood of Hartley, Grosjean, Kimi, Stoff and Ericsson being replaced for next year and why most of if not all of those are unlikely? Did you not just suggest that current seats would be taken by other contracted drivers (other than Fuoco)?

 

[twitcher]

I named three drivers indirectly from the start, and said all three are unlikely to join because they have not done anything of merit. I said that any other drivers tied to potential F1 drivers are already taken by other teams. I pay attention close enough to know who is on the up and coming and who isn't and why. What's interesting is your trying to slight me as hard as you can with each post in a personal matter, seemingly due to feeling slighted yourself. I'm not attacking you, I'm debating the posts, not the person. I simply asked questions you could have answered rather than get upset or whatever you'd call it.



That's fine if you believe such, that's my criteria. Since they are contracted to the team are they not?



Yeah one person laughed, I questioned you. I'm having trouble seeing where this isn't allowed and why you can't simply rebuke it rather than bringing out a personal issue with it all. It's a forum, heated debates happen, on and on and on again. Your what if posts of hypothetical are just that, and which is why many here seem to not take them overly serious when asked about over and over. And give you concise reasons as to again why they're unlikely.

What do you not understand you asked a question I gave an answer that was appropriate to it. You asked what you said was off the wall, I read that as in general to this thread regarding driver transfers. If you were specifying a particular post then I sorry for over-analyzing that moment. Though I did give what I found off the wall about those.



Did you not ask questions of do we think Lewis will exit F1 to pursue music after this year? And then wanted further elaboration when you were told not likely? Did you not ask about the likelihood of Hartley, Grosjean, Kimi, Stoff and Ericsson being replaced for next year and why most of if not all of those are unlikely? Did you not just suggest that current seats would be taken by other contracted drivers (other than Fuoco)?

I never mentioned Stoff or Hartley. Like I said, you’re reading what you want out of my posts and making things up just so you can argue with yourself.

Furthermore, I suggested there’s a possibility that either Kvyat or Giovinazzi could end up in either a Sauber or Haas, if either Grosjean loses his seat, or LeClerc is promoted (and/or ericsson not renewed). Why you think it’s “off the wall” or whatever you want to call it, to suggest that drivers signed to Ferrari could end up in Ferrari associated seats, I can’t figure out. As you’ve said, there aren’t any unclaimed young drivers who could just slide right into a Sauber or Haas, which is exactly why I didn’t mention any in the first place (which you could have asked me to clarify instead of your typical “huhuhuhu he don’t even watch da junior formulaeze”).

Anyways, I’ll let you get back to figuring out where you think Stoff and Hartley will end up next year, since you seem to think that’s what we’re talking about here.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I never mentioned Stoff or Hartley. Like I said, you’re reading what you want out of my posts and making things up just so you can argue with yourself.

Let me be clear here, I'm talking about your post here in general. Have stated that as well which is why I have said you seem repetitive. You did at one point bring up Stoff and Hartley as cuts due to their seasons.

Surely we must be seeing the end of Grosjean’s career in F1 this season? Unless he has an unbelievable turn around, I can’t see him having a drive next year (even if he has a contract).

Unless Sauber needs Ericsson’s money, is it likely he’ll have a drive next year?

Alonso might move on from F1.

Kimi might be booted out...I’ve no clue whether Kimi would accept a “demotion” to either Haas or Sauber next year. I suppose it’s possible.

Hartley still has a lot of work to do to justify a seat next year.

Vandoorne not really impressing at McLaren.

Sirotkin? Honestly I’ve barely noticed him this year.


There’s a lot of potential to have very different looking grid next year.

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Furthermore, I suggested there’s a possibility that either Kvyat or Giovinazzi could end up in either a Sauber or Haas, if either Grosjean loses his seat, or LeClerc is promoted (and/or ericsson not renewed). Why you think it’s “off the wall” or whatever you want to call it, to suggest that drivers signed to Ferrari could end up in Ferrari associated seats, I can’t figure out. As you’ve said, there aren’t any unclaimed young drivers who could just slide right into a Sauber or Haas, which is exactly why I didn’t mention any in the first place (which you could have asked me to clarify instead of your typical “huhuhuhu he don’t even watch da junior formulaeze”).

I said I agree with Giovanzzi since he is a Ferrari driver right now, and they've still seemed interested after the last test in developing him. So how you think that is what I think is off the wall is strange, I agreed with you that was a good idea. Kvyat was demoted from his team part way through one season for horrible driving antics and attitude, and then another season was dropped before he could finish the season. Why would those facts warrant a drive when there are other more potential choices, like simply keeping the drivers they have.

You mentioned Fuoco though, which made me think you either watch lower series and have an idea of drivers to take over other than him, or truly think he is deserving of a seat which made me wonder how often you watch. Because he isn't a particularly good driver. It's further off the wall because drivers who get a dev driver role at Ferrari recently are drivers who typically are former drivers without much chance of being seen in a main seat again. Before, Kvyat it was JEV and Gutierrez. This is why I find it off the wall if anyone would risk it with that track record and the history of why not a team shouldn't pick up a dev driver.

Anyways, I’ll let you get back to figuring out where you think Stoff and Hartley will end up next year, since you seem to think that’s what we’re talking about here.

Again you did bring up those two prior, at the start of this triple header, I guess my memory of your posts is better than your own. I'm analyzing your general contributions and thoughts.

 

[twitcher]

Let me be clear here, I'm talking about your post here in general. Have stated that as well which is why I have said you seem repetitive. You did at one point bring up Stoff and Hartley as cuts due to their seasons.



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I said I agree with Giovanzzi since he is a Ferrari driver right now, and they've still seemed interested after the last test in developing him. So how you think that is what I think is off the wall is strange, I agreed with you that was a good idea. Kvyat was demoted from his team part way through one season for horrible driving antics and attitude, and then another season was dropped before he could finish the season. Why would those facts warrant a drive when there are other more potential choices, like simply keeping the drivers they have.

You mentioned Fuoco though, which made me think you either watch lower series and have an idea of drivers to take over other than him, or truly think he is deserving of a seat which made me wonder how often you watch. Because he isn't a particularly good driver. It's further off the wall because drivers who get a dev driver role at Ferrari recently are drivers who typically are former drivers without much chance of being seen in a main seat again. Before, Kvyat it was JEV and Gutierrez. This is why I find it off the wall if anyone would risk it with that track record and the history of why not a team shouldn't pick up a dev driver.



Again you did bring up those two prior, at the start of this triple header, I guess my memory of your posts is better than your own. I'm analyzing your general contributions and thoughts.

I was just talking about the Ferrari related seats, and you want to bring up some stuff I said 2-3 weeks ago? M’kay. Maybe you should go back and check what you wrote on page 3, or something 👍

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

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[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I was just talking about the Ferrari related seats, and you want to bring up some stuff I said 2-3 weeks ago? M’kay. Maybe you should go back and check what you wrote on page 3, or something 👍

I mean you've been suggesting Grosjean and Ericssons seat more than once only getting the same answer, and two I'm not simply speaking on your current post. My initial post this time around was talking in general about your what ifs on the current driver field overall. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that even though I hinted at it. Not sure what the smart ass attitude is about, if you can't have your ideas broken down and debated I'm not sure why you'd share ever.

 

[mustafur]

If Haas got rid of Grosjean at the end of the year they could get anyone, they could of signed Giovinazzi for 2017 but they got Magnussen, that to me suggests they are not just limited to what Ferrari has available, besides the Sauber now is good enough for Ferrari to put there drivers through them who are actually linked with Ferrari through Fiat, and keep them there until they are ready to promote to Ferrari if they do.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

If Haas got rid of Grosjean at the end of the year they could get anyone, they could of signed Giovinazzi for 2017 but they got Magnussen, that to me suggests they are not just limited to what Ferrari has available, besides the Sauber now is good enough for Ferrari to put there drivers through them who are actually linked with Ferrari through Fiat, and keep them there until they are ready to promote to Ferrari if they do.

I agree with you on the fact that Sauber are decent enough to use as a junior F1 team. I think Haas have made it clear they want to have Ferrari's help but don't want to sell seats to them to test drivers. Not sure how long that will last though.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

If Haas got rid of Grosjean at the end of the year they could get anyone, they could of signed Giovinazzi for 2017 but they got Magnussen, that to me suggests they are not just limited to what Ferrari has available, besides the Sauber now is good enough for Ferrari to put there drivers through them who are actually linked with Ferrari through Fiat, and keep them there until they are ready to promote to Ferrari if they do.

I agree with you on the fact that Sauber are decent enough to use as a junior F1 team. I think Haas have made it clear they want to have Ferrari's help but don't want to sell seats to them to test drivers. Not sure how long that will last though.

 

[Dotini]

If Haas got rid of Grosjean at the end of the year they could get anyone...

Even Alonso? How competitive could Alonso be in a Haas-Ferrari?

 

[mustafur]

Even Alonso? How competitive could Alonso be in a Haas-Ferrari?

I don't mean everyone, I mean anyone willing to drive for them(like young talents coming through or drivers looking for a better team).

Alonso is probably at the stage where is willing to do something else, he isn't going to be able to get a seat better then what he has right now apart from maybe Renault who have said before they would like Alonso as a driver and he has History with the team, but if he wants more success as a driver he will likely go to Indy if he is to move anywhere at this point.

 

[adb]

If Haas got rid of Grosjean at the end of the year they could get anyone, they could of signed Giovinazzi for 2017 but they got Magnussen, that to me suggests they are not just limited to what Ferrari has available, besides the Sauber now is good enough for Ferrari to put there drivers through them who are actually linked with Ferrari through Fiat, and keep them there until they are ready to promote to Ferrari if they do.

I think Haas made a major mistake in not giving one seat to a Ferrari Junior (either Leclerc or Giovinazzi). Sauber has effectively become a Ferrari Junior/B-team, and while it might not mean much this year, in coming years they might fall behind them and will be getting less and less Ferrari's support. Already this year it's bad, if they had Leclerc they could probably be in 4th place right now or have more cushion over rest of mid field.

And on top of that, they have to pay both their drivers, while Ferrari Junior would be driving for free or even with engine/parts discount, considering their low budget, it could bite them in future.

 

[baldgye]

I think Haas made a major mistake in not giving one seat to a Ferrari Junior (either Leclerc or Giovinazzi). Sauber has effectively become a Ferrari Junior/B-team, and while it might not mean much this year, in coming years they might fall behind them and will be getting less and less Ferrari's support. Already this year it's bad, if they had Leclerc they could probably be in 4th place right now or have more cushion over rest of mid field.

And on top of that, they have to pay both their drivers, while Ferrari Junior would be driving for free or even with engine/parts discount, considering their low budget, it could bite them in future.

To be fair, few people expected Romain to be so bad this year.

 

[TRGTspecialist]

[Question]

[Answer]

Elaborate?

kind of hard to understand why you can't simply agree until evidence suggest otherwise.

Twitcher seems to never help his own case so I'm not defending him, but if I asked a question, got an answer, asked for the reason (because, presumably, I don't know what it is), and was told by someone else 'why can't you just agree', I think I'd be a bit miffed.

It's a forum. If someone doesn't want to explain an answer, that's grand - but I'm not seeing the issue with asking for it in the first place.

 

[mustafur]

I think Haas made a major mistake in not giving one seat to a Ferrari Junior (either Leclerc or Giovinazzi). Sauber has effectively become a Ferrari Junior/B-team, and while it might not mean much this year, in coming years they might fall behind them and will be getting less and less Ferrari's support. Already this year it's bad, if they had Leclerc they could probably be in 4th place right now or have more cushion over rest of mid field.

And on top of that, they have to pay both their drivers, while Ferrari Junior would be driving for free or even with engine/parts discount, considering their low budget, it could bite them in future.

Don't agree, its better to have your own drivers not attached to another team. You can build your team around drivers that you know where they are going to be the next season, the only reason teams will accept it is because the talent is high, your left compromised when they leave and it's out of your control and now you have to find a driver.

 

[baldgye]

Don't agree, its better to have your own drivers not attached to another team. You can build your team around drivers that you know where they are going to be the next season, the only reason teams will accept it is because the talent is high, your left compromised when they leave and it's out of your control and now you have to find a driver.

While having a steady driver is important, you don't necessarily need a single driver to build a team around, especially in the mid-field.
The smaller teams can make bigger and more important gains by developing the car, rather than building a strong team around a driver, that's what the top teams have to do, in order to maximise their already highly efficient packages.
For example, Sauber or Toro Rosso aren't built around single drivers, or need to be.

I think, had Romain had even an average season Haas would be pretty happy, as it is, he's having a total nightmare and KMag is having a pretty good season, making his performances look even worse.

 

[twitcher]

I mean you've been suggesting Grosjean and Ericssons seat more than once only getting the same answer, and two I'm not simply speaking on your current post. My initial post this time around was talking in general about your what ifs on the current driver field overall. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that even though I hinted at it. Not sure what the smart ass attitude is about, if you can't have your ideas broken down and debated I'm not sure why you'd share ever.

Ok so in this entire thread, I’ve mentioned Ericsson and Grosjean two times, not once. Terribly sorry for repeating myself over and over and over and over and over and over again.

My bad if I didn’t catch your “hints” that you were changing gears to talking about everything I’ve been saying for the last few weeks as opposed to this most recent convo, although I should have seen the clues you left when you started referring to stuff you posted on page 1.

You’re not debating my ideas. You’re getting pissy because you seem to think I’m repeating myself, you’re arguing against assumption you think I’m making, questioning how much I actually follow the sport, etc.

The only thing you’ve said re drivers is that you think basically everyone’s seat is safe for next year. You think Grosjean and Ericsson will be back next year, and other than Kimi/LeClerc, not much will change in the Ferrari seats. Ok, cool, that’s your oppinion. You could have just said that instead of writing these novels and trying to psycho analyze everything I’ve said in this thread.

Care to move on, or want to keep going?

 

[adb]

Don't agree, its better to have your own drivers not attached to another team. You can build your team around drivers that you know where they are going to be the next season, the only reason teams will accept it is because the talent is high, your left compromised when they leave and it's out of your control and now you have to find a driver.

Yes, it's better to have drivers you know won't go to another team in a year or two. But, in Haas' case it's slightly different, they depend on Ferrari, and the moment they didn't do Ferrari a favour by taking Leclerc, Ferrari had to go somewhere else to get him that seat, that's where Sauber comes in, gets one of the best drivers to come through junior series in years, gets an Alfa/Ferrari deal and becomes de facto Ferrari B-team, achieves healthy financial/technical relationship.

All of that happens while Haas still has to buy half the car from Ferrari, and now they won't even be their priority. All they had to do was to give up one seat for Leclerc and future Ferrari drivers, while they can still keep going with either of their drivers (even though both of them would get beaten hard by Charles)

 

[twitcher]

For fun, and because I’m bored on my lunch break, here’s my thoughts on what the grid could look like next year. Bear in mind that this list is currently based more in what I would like to see, as opposed to what I think is most likely.

My completely bonkers, off the wall predictions of what the 2019 grid could (hopefully) look like:

Mercedes
-Hamilton
-Bottas

Ferrari
-Vettle
-Raikkonen

Redbull
-Verstappen
-Ricciardo

Renault
-Hulkenberg
-Ocon

Haas
-Magnussen
-Perez

Sauber
-LeClerc
-Kubica

Force India
-Russel
-Vandoorne

McLaren
-Sainz
-Norris

Williams
-Stroll
-??? Maybe me if I win the lottery, $60mil this week

Alonso doing WEC, Indy, and Supet GT in a Lexus

Edit:

I complete forgot Toro Rosso
-Gasly
-Matsu****a or Fukuzumi from F2