The 2020 George Floyd/BLM/Police Brutality Protests Discussion Thread

[killerjimbag]

So...acquittal seems likely. The prosecution didn't seem to demonstrate that Rittenhouse didn't deserve to defend himself because he put himself in a position where he'd have to. I think he could very well have gone there wanting to get his gun off, and he got to, but that wasn't shown to be the case.

Still, the wont of some people to make Rittenhouse a hero is just as unhinged as their wont to make Ashli Babbitt a martyr. It's insane.

Tony Timpa and Justine Damond both called the police before they were killed by the police.

Timpa was mocked by police even as he likely lay dead on the ground before them. There's bodycam footage documenting it. Timpa's mother says she was subsequently lied to repeatedly by police regarding the circumstances of his death, one account even claiming he waved at officers from the back of the ambulance.

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Oh, please don't give up, you have a voice, don't lose it. You have a choice, so choose it. You have a brain, so use it. The time has come to peace the **** out.

Ok so what started the Kenosha peacefull protests? Rewind the tape folks. Ha,ha.

 

[Famine]

 

[TexRex]

Ok so what started the Kenosha peacefull protests? Rewind the tape folks. Ha,ha.

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These Trumpers are ****ing stupid.

 

[Scaff]

Way to go...

Rittenhouse judge refers to juror as ‘a Black’ in latest controversy

Judge Bruce Schroeder makes questionable remark when explaining his decision to allow Mr Rittenhouse to pick the names of the six jurors who would not be joining the final jury of 12

www.independent.co.uk

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These Trumpers are ****ing stupid.

Tim Pool being a tool again

 

[AZpocalypse]

Kyle Rittenhouse was simply a concerned citizen that didn't want his community destroyed by any Domestic Terrorist Organizations like BLM™ (Burn, Loot, Murder) or ANTIFA™ (Angsty Nerd Troglodyte Incest For Anarchy). He was targeted by Mostly Peaceful Protestors™ that threatened, chased, assaulted and fired upon him, forcing Rittenhouse to defend himself, cutting the Mostly Peaceful Protest™ short for those heroic Social Justice Martyrs.
As for Kyle Rittenhouse, I think we need A HUNDRED of him at EVERY Mostly Peaceful Protest™ going forward, to let people know that destroying other people's property and committing acts of violence will not be tolerated. That way, protestors can still protest, while rioters can play stupid games and win stupid prizes. I seriously hope Kyle Rittenhouse inspires more people to defend their communities from violent mobs. As soon as your protest turns into a violent mob, you've invalidated whatever cause brought you together. Whatever message you were trying to convey is replaced by your actions.

 

[Scaff]

Kyle Rittenhouse was simply a concerned citizen that didn't want his community destroyed by any Domestic Terrorist Organizations like BLM™ (Burn, Loot, Murder) or ANTIFA™ (Angsty Nerd Troglodyte Incest For Anarchy). He was targeted by Mostly Peaceful Protestors™ that threatened, chased, assaulted and fired upon him, forcing Rittenhouse to defend himself, cutting the Mostly Peaceful Protest™ short for those heroic Social Justice Martyrs.
As for Kyle Rittenhouse, I think we need A HUNDRED of him at EVERY Mostly Peaceful Protest™ going forward, to let people know that destroying other people's property and committing acts of violence will not be tolerated. That way, protestors can still protest, while rioters can play stupid games and win stupid prizes. I seriously hope Kyle Rittenhouse inspires more people to defend their communities from violent mobs. As soon as your protest turns into a violent mob, you've invalidated whatever cause brought you together. Whatever message you were trying to convey is replaced by your actions.

Oh dear.

You do know that the vast, vast majority of BLM and anti police violence protests were utterly non-violent?

"In CCC data collected from May 2020 to June 2021, 94% of protests involved no participant arrests, 97.9% involved no participant injuries, 98.6% involved no injuries to police, and 96.7% involved no property damage."

BLM and Floyd protests were largely peaceful, data confirms

These charts cast a fresh light on perceptions that protests against racism and police brutality have been violent.

www.csmonitor.com

I suspect, given the laughably biased nature of your post, that you don't know. Not would I suspect you would care, given that its not going to support a clearly predetermined bias.

 

[Danoff]

Kyle Rittenhouse was simply a concerned citizen that didn't want his community destroyed by any Domestic Terrorist Organizations like BLM™ (Burn, Loot, Murder) or ANTIFA™ (Angsty Nerd Troglodyte Incest For Anarchy). He was targeted by Mostly Peaceful Protestors™ that threatened, chased, assaulted and fired upon him, forcing Rittenhouse to defend himself, cutting the Mostly Peaceful Protest™ short for those heroic Social Justice Martyrs.
As for Kyle Rittenhouse, I think we need A HUNDRED of him at EVERY Mostly Peaceful Protest™ going forward, to let people know that destroying other people's property and committing acts of violence will not be tolerated. That way, protestors can still protest, while rioters can play stupid games and win stupid prizes. I seriously hope Kyle Rittenhouse inspires more people to defend their communities from violent mobs. As soon as your protest turns into a violent mob, you've invalidated whatever cause brought you together. Whatever message you were trying to convey is replaced by your actions.

We definitely do not need untrained morons like Kyle showing up with guns looking for trouble. That's how people get shot.

 

[AZpocalypse]

@killerjimbag thanks for the link and info. Much appreciated.

My point still stands. If Rittenhouse is so qualified, worked in the area and he had family in the area, this still doesn’t give him a right to head out in to the streets with a Automatic rifle.

At the very most, he could have gone to a family members house, had some food, kept everyone safe in a controlled environment. If anyone then came a knocking and causing an issue it’s just cause to defend himself, family and property.

Having a qualification in swimming and lifeguard has diddly squat on the street, maybe at a beach that would carry some weight for me. That’s like saying someone using a truck to kill multiple people is ok because he holds a pilots license.

He put himself in harms way for no reason, the graffiti would be there the next day, trash and the like will be there the next day. As for putting out fires, you have qualified fire fighters who get paid to do the job so let them, do not add yourself to the list of people those professionals have to keep a look out for.

I’d say if he was there to help, that’s admirable, however going there with a loaded weapon… well it’s just plain silly to me. Stay home, look after your home and family and then, once the chaos has died down then offer all the help you can muster.[

Kyle Rittenhouse had just as much a right to be out in his neighborhood as the Mostly Peaceful Protestors™ - more so, because it was HIS neighborhood that people were being Mostly Peaceful™ in. He wasn't shooting his rifle like the Mostly Peaceful™ idiots you hear in the video. He wasn't threatening people or trying to be a hero either. It was his protection - a large, unmistakable visual deterrent that he thought would keep him safe in the midst of Domestic Terrorists from BLM (Burn, Loot, Murder). If he hadn't been armed, he'd be another dead white kid we'd never hear about - another Mostly Peaceful™ victim.

But he was armed. And if he wasn't as well trained as he is, there'd be more Mostly Peaceful™ casualties, no doubt. I don't know what the big deal is. He was in danger, he defended himself and people have a PROBLEM with this? Are Mostly Peaceful Protests™ only supposed to be Mostly Peaceful™ to the victims? I say give him a statue and lifetime box seats to his favorite sporting events and encourage more people to defend themselves and their property from mindless Mostly Peaceful™ mobs! 🤗

 

[Scaff]

But he was armed. And if he wasn't as well trained as he is, there'd be more Mostly Peaceful™ casualties, no doubt. I don't know what the big deal is. He was in danger, he defended himself and people have a PROBLEM with this? Are Mostly Peaceful Protests™ only supposed to be Mostly Peaceful™ to the victims? I say give him a statue and lifetime box seats to his favorite sporting events and encourage
more people to defend themselves and their property from mindless Mostly Peaceful™ mobs! 🤗

More casualties?

So you're advocating for extra judicial killings by armed vigilantes?

 

[Danoff]

But he was armed. And if he wasn't as well trained as he is, there'd be more Mostly Peaceful™ casualties, no doubt. I don't know what the big deal is. He was in danger, he defended himself and people have a PROBLEM with this?

He created his situation, on purpose. That's the problem.

Are Mostly Peaceful Protests™ only supposed to be Mostly Peaceful™ to the victims?

I can't even follow what this was intended to mean. Who do you mean when you say "victim"?

I say give him a statue and lifetime box seats to his favorite sporting events and encourage
more people to defend themselves and their property from mindless Mostly Peaceful™ mobs! 🤗

Mindless... mobs.... dehumanize much?

The last thing that an angry protest needs is gun nuts showing up itching to declare that they felt threatened and start shooting people. You come off as someone who very much wants to see protesters get shot - that seems to be your underlying message, and your desire. It was Kyle's too, and it is the problem.

 

[Liquid]

Domestic Terrorist Organizations like

...the Republican Party.

Take it with a pinch of salt but they are much, much closer to being a domestic terrorist organisation than BLM; its members, including Federal lawmakers, took part in the Capitol insurrection attempt, which included a desire to hang the Vice President, and its members still push the baseless and dangerous conspiracy hypotheses.

See how easy that description is?

 

[AZpocalypse]

We definitely do not need untrained morons like Kyle showing up with guns looking for trouble. That's how people get shot.

What are you talking about? He is VERY well trained. He gave his assailants every chance to do the right thing and walk away and he didn't shoot until he was out of Mostly Peaceful™ options. I don't think I would have been as restrained in his situation.
But I get where you're coming from - it's HARD to Burn, Loot and Murder (BLM) with armed citizens patrolling their neighborhoods! Why couldn't Kyle Rittenhouse have just barricaded himself in his house and cowered in fear like people are SUPPOSED TO DO when Social Justice™ is happening!? He's sending out the WRONG message! By defending himself during a Mostly Peaceful Protest™, he might inspire OTHERS to fight to protect their families and property from thugs that commit crimes in the name of Mostly Peaceful Protests™

He created his situation, on purpose. That's the problem.

I can't even follow what this was intended to mean. Who do you mean when you say "victim"?


Mindless... mobs.... dehumanize much?

The last thing that an angry protest needs is gun nuts showing up itching to declare that they felt threatened and start shooting people. You come off as someone who very much wants to see protesters get shot - that seems to be your underlying message, and your desire. It was Kyle's too, and it is the

...the Republican Party.

Take it with a pinch of salt but they are much, much closer to being a domestic terrorist organisation than BLM; its members, including Federal lawmakers, took part in the Capitol insurrection attempt, which included a desire to hang the Vice President, and its members still push the baseless and dangerous conspiracy hypotheses.

See how easy that description is?

You forgot White Supremacists! 🙄

 

[Scaff]

What are you talking about? He is VERY well trained. He gave his assailants every chance to do the right thing and walk away and he didn't shoot until he was out of Mostly Peaceful™ options. I don't think I would have been as restrained in his situation.
But I get where you're coming from - it's HARD to Burn, Loot and Murder (BLM) with armed citizens patrolling their neighborhoods! Why couldn't Kyle Rittenhouse have just barricaded himself in his house and cowered in fear like people are SUPPOSED TO DO when Social Justice™ is happening!? He's sending out the WRONG message! By defending himself during a Mostly Peaceful Protest™, he might inspire OTHERS to fight to protect their families and property from thugs that commit crimes in the name of Mostly Peaceful Protests™

Once again the vast, vast majority of BLM and associated Protests resulted in no injuries, arrests or property damage. As such, by repeating the same lie you are simply making yourself look increasingly foolish and biased.

Oh and it wasn't 'his' neighborhood either, he consciously chose to insert himself into a situation he was ill experienced to deal with and not required in.

We have enough issues with the police acting in an extra judicial manner, without civilians doing the same.

 

[McLaren]

Who’s the Rush Limbaugh boomer in here copying and pasting from his Facebook?

 

[Danoff]

What are you talking about? He is VERY well trained.

Oh really? Please cite that - especially as it pertains to handling crowd control during a riot or protest. Was Kyle a police officer trained in riot control? The outcome says otherwise.

He gave his assailants every chance to do the right thing and walk away and he didn't shoot until he was out of Mostly Peaceful™ options.

First option would have been to stay home and let the people actually hired and trained to do the job handle it. So that was an option he did not exercise. Second, your entire statement above is just pulled right out of your behind.

I don't think I would have been as restrained in his situation.

Then I would advise that you definitely do not dip your toe in vigilante justice.

But I get where you're coming from - it's HARD to Burn, Loot and Murder (BLM) with armed citizens patrolling their neighborhoods!

It's just a recipe for violence. Showing up to a protest looking to shoot people is a good way for people to get shot. And that's what happened. Kyle is a moron who went looking for a fight. We don't need morons looking for fights, because they'll find them.

Why couldn't Kyle Rittenhouse have just barricaded himself in his house and cowered in fear like people are SUPPOSED TO DO when Social Justice™ is happening!?

If you're a police officer, you should probably engage a riot - especially if it's a riot you're tasked with engaging. If it's your job to handle a riot, and a riot is happening, you should handle it - because you're trained for it, and it's what all of the citizens that AZpocalypse is so concerned about have hired you to do. If you're not trained to handle a riot, and it's not your job, and you're just a kid with a gun who wants to go play big boy pew pew, maybe you should leave it to the professionals.

He's sending out the WRONG message! By defending himself during a Mostly Peaceful Protest™, he might inspire OTHERS to fight to protect their families and property from thugs that commit crimes in the name of Mostly Peaceful Protests™

There's nothing wrong with protecting yourself and your family. That doesn't make it a good idea to go put yourself into a bad situation.

 

[TexRex]

Who’s the Rush Limbaugh boomer in here copying and pasting from his Facebook?

Serious @Groundfish vibes.

 

[McLaren]

Serious @Groundfish vibes.

 

[unit-one]

I've read some databases, so... hmmm... I'm posting the links if someone's interested to read too.

96.7% of protests are peaceful (no property damage). Okay, that doesn't mean anything. It's a whole picture, but the details are that some areas got hit harder by riots than others. Anyways...

2 938 406 - protesters\ rioters.
372 - non-police injured.
640 - police injured.
15 426 - arrested protesters\ rioters.
2 922 608 - other protesters that was peaceful or rioters that didn't get arrested.
The Christian Science Monitor
I couldn't find how many got killed...

Police. I couldn't find recent info to compare, so I looked at 2019 database and earlier. Looks like the crime rate is declining in the past 10+ years. Every year there was 10 000 000- 13 000 000 offences. And looks like the police is killing around 1000 people every year, so... that's around 0.1% which means that 99.9% of police encounters are "peaceful". So yeah, that also paints the whole picture but the details show that some areas have more crime and shootings. Obviously.

In 2019 there was 10 085 210 offences. And one thing caught my eye is the insane amount of robbery and murder cases associated with black race considering that they are only 13% of US population. That's the only two points that exceed white race offence statistics. That explains why the black people are most likely to be killed by police? iunno, just reading the statistics and what's written on the websites. shrug

Robbery:
White - 33 290
Black - 39 290

Murder:
White - 5 070
Black - 5 660

links:
1) mapping police violence
2) USA Today
3) U.S. Department of Justice
4) The Washington post

 

[AZpocalypse]

He created his situation, on purpose. That's the problem.

He ABSOLUTELY created his situation - where he survived by defending himself from his would-be murderers. Even if he HAD somehow "made them" attack him, his assailants still chose to make every single bad decision that led up to Kyle Rittenhouse defending himself with deadly force - they chased him. They threatened him. They beat him and tried to disarm him. You're also ignoring the fact that these geniuses decided to attack the kid with the semiautomatic rifle in the middle of a riot. What were they expecting? In what universe is it okay for a group of grown men (one of whom was a convicted pedophile) to threaten, chase and attack a juvenile WHILE PARTICIPATING IN A RIOT!? In what world is it okay to defend someone who does those things? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Those idiots gambled and lost and I'm glad it was them and not him.

I can't even follow what this was intended to mean. Who do you mean when you say "victim"?


Mindless... mobs.... dehumanize much?

Yes. Mindless Mobs. That's the animal that's left over after the peaceful law-abiding citizens have all withdrawn. The ones that remain are the ones that embrace violence. And once that beast gets going, there's no calming it. Not without a show of force. Otherwise it just has to eat it's fill until it loses momentum.

The last thing that an angry protest needs is gun nuts showing up itching to declare that they felt threatened and start shooting people. You come off as someone who very much wants to see protesters get shot - that seems to be your underlying message, and your desire. It was Kyle's too, and it is the problem.

Protests CAN be civil. They can even be disruptive and inconvenient. They DON'T have to include violence and destruction. And if a group of random people decide to destroy your property or put you in harms way, I think you have a right to defend yourself.

 

[Scaff]

I've read some databases, so... hmmm... I'm posting the links if someone's interested to read too.

96.7% of protests are peaceful (no property damage). Okay, that doesn't mean anything. It's a whole picture, but the details are that some areas got hit harder by riots than others. Anyways...

2 938 406 - protesters\ rioters.
372 - non-police injured.
640 - police injured.
15 426 - arrested protesters\ rioters.
2 922 608 - other protesters that was peaceful or rioters that didn't get arrested.
The Christian Science Monitor
I couldn't find how many got killed...

Police. I couldn't find recent info to compare, so I looked at 2019 database and earlier. Looks like the crime rate is declining in the past 10+ years. Every year there was 10 000 000- 13 000 000 offences. And looks like the police is killing around 1000 people every year, so... that's around 0.1% which means that 99.9% of police encounters are "peaceful". So yeah, that also paints the whole picture but the details show that some areas have more crime and shootings. Obviously.

In 2019 there was 10 085 210 offences. And one thing caught my eye is the insane amount of robbery and murder cases associated with black race considering that they are only 13% of US population. That's the only two points that exceed white race offence statistics. That explains why the black people are most likely to be killed by police? iunno, just reading the statistics and what's written on the websites. shrug

Robbery:
White - 33 290
Black - 39 290

Murder:
White - 5 070
Black - 5 660

links:
1) mapping police violence
2) USA Today
3) U.S. Department of Justice
4) The Washington post

Two words

Systemic Racism.

The US justice system is massively biased in many, many ways, particularly if you are black.

Report to the United Nations on Racial Disparities in the U.S. Criminal Justice System – The Sentencing Project

Report to the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Contemporary Forms of Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia, and Related Intolerance

www.sentencingproject.org

 

[Danoff]

He ABSOLUTELY created his situation - where he survived by defending himself from his would-be murderers. Even if he HAD somehow "made them" attack him, his assailants still chose to make every single bad decision that led up to Kyle Rittenhouse defending himself with deadly force - they chased him. They threatened him. They beat him and tried to disarm him. You're also ignoring the fact that these geniuses decided to attack the kid with the semiautomatic rifle in the middle of a riot. What were they expecting? In what universe is it okay for a group of grown men (one of whom was a convicted pedophile) to threaten, chase and attack a juvenile WHILE PARTICIPATING IN A RIOT!? In what world is it okay to defend someone who does those things? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Those idiots gambled and lost and I'm glad it was them and not him.

I don't know how well verified any of that is. It sounds to me like it's Kyle's story. At least one person here (@Chrunch Houston) indicated that there was no evidence but a blurry picture, so I don't know how you could have concluded that all of the above is what happened from a blurry picture.

Regardless...

Even if all of that were true (and I'm quite skeptical, and you have posted no sources), it does not make Kyle's decision a good one. Showing up to a riot with a gun is a good way to get people shot, and that's exactly what happened. And you seem to be happy that it's what happened. I'm glad that you admitted that he created his situation, the next step is to recognize that what he created was terrible, and that he shouldn't have done it - rather than praise him for it.

Yes. Mindless Mobs. That's the animal that's left over after the peaceful law-abiding citizens have all withdrawn.

You should really stop dehumanizing people. It's not constructive, and it's not correct.

The ones that remain are the ones that embrace violence.

You've essentially created a circular argument here. "If you're there, you're an animal and deserve to be shot". You should listen to yourself more carefully.

And once that beast gets going, there's no calming it. Not without a show of force. Otherwise it just has to eat it's fill until it loses momentum.

Complete dehumanization, and a rationalization of violence against random people. Quite disturbing.

Protests CAN be civil. They can even be disruptive and inconvenient. They DON'T have to include violence and destruction. And if a group of random people decide to destroy your property or put you in harms way, I think you have a right to defend yourself.

Sure. If people (I'll drop the word "group" there since it's not helpful in any fashion), decide to destroy your property or put you in harms way, you do have a right to defend yourself. You should probably not go actively creating that situation though, it's just going to get people shot.

 

[McLaren]

96.7% of protests are peaceful (no property damage). Okay, that doesn't mean anything. It's a whole picture, but the details are that some areas got hit harder by riots than others. Anyways...

It actually does when the constant argument is to paint BLM as "Burn, Loot & Murder" when the vast, vast majority do nothing of the sort.

2 938 406 - protesters\ rioters.
372 - non-police injured.
640 - police injured.
15 426 - arrested protesters\ rioters.
2 922 608 - other protesters that was peaceful or rioters that didn't get arrested.
The Christian Science Monitor
I couldn't find how many got killed...

Police. I couldn't find recent info to compare, so I looked at 2019 database and earlier. Looks like the crime rate is declining in the past 10+ years. Every year there was 10 000 000- 13 000 000 offences. And looks like the police is killing around 1000 people every year, so... that's around 0.1% which means that 99.9% of police encounters are "peaceful". So yeah, that also paints the whole picture but the details show that some areas have more crime and shootings. Obviously.

In 2019 there was 10 085 210 offences. And one thing caught my eye is the insane amount of robbery and murder cases associated with black race considering that they are only 13% of US population. That's the only two points that exceed white race offence statistics. That explains why the black people are most likely to be killed by police? iunno, just reading the statistics and what's written on the websites. shrug

Robbery:
White - 33 290
Black - 39 290

Murder:
White - 5 070
Black - 5 660

links:
1) mapping police violence
2) USA Today
3) U.S. Department of Justice
4) The Washington post

You left some other stats out....

Aggravated Assault:
White - 245,050
Black - 133,330

Simple Assault:
White - 685,120
Black - 340,410

Property Damage Index:
White - 781,100
Black - 351,060

Here's a real interesting one.

Forgery and counterfeiting:
White - 33,370
Black - 15,450


Or maybe the idea is that police brutality shouldn't happen at all to any race, no matter how small the percentage is.

 

[TexRex]

Here's a real interesting one.

Forgery and counterfeiting:
White - 33,370
Black - 15,450

I wonder if the reason I think you've called that interesting is actually the reason you've called that interesting.

 

[AZpocalypse]

Oh really? Please cite that - especially as it pertains to handling crowd control during a riot or protest. Was Kyle a police officer trained in riot control? The outcome says otherwise.

First option would have been to stay home and let the people actually hired and trained to do the job handle it. So that was an option he did not exercise. Second, your entire statement above is just pulled right out of your behind.


Then I would advise that you definitely do not dip your toe in vigilante justice.

It's just a recipe for violence. Showing up to a protest looking to shoot people is a good way for people to get shot. And that's what happened. Kyle is a moron who went looking for a fight. We don't need morons looking for fights, because they'll find them.

If you're a police officer, you should probably engage a riot - especially if it's a riot you're tasked with engaging. If it's your job to handle a riot, and a riot is happening, you should handle it - because you're trained for it, and it's what all of the citizens that AZpocalypse is so concerned about have hired you to do. If you're not trained to handle a riot, and it's not your job, and you're just a kid with a gun who wants to go play big boy pew pew, maybe you should leave it to the professionals.


There's nothing wrong with protecting yourself and your family. That doesn't make it a good idea to go put yourself into a bad situation.

What's the problem? This is the future that BLM and ANTIFA have been BEGGING for! What do you think will happen once you defund and / or neuter the police? Regular citizens are going to be more proactive with their security and well-being. I think it's the one GOOD thing that could come from defunding and neutering police. Besides, police don't usually get involved until AFTER an incident occurs. So if your survival strategy comes down to relying on a cop to save your life in the middle of a riot that they can't even HANDLE, you are going to have a bad time. As someone who CLEARLY dislikes law enforcement, I can't believe you went there!
I live in an open carry state with less firearm restrictions than most, and I think EVERY citizen should be given a gun and firearms safety training on their 16th birthday. An armed society is a polite society.

Once again the vast, vast majority of BLM and associated Protests resulted in no injuries, arrests or property damage. As such, by repeating the same lie you are simply making yourself look increasingly foolish and biased.

Oh and it wasn't 'his' neighborhood either, he consciously chose to insert himself into a situation he was ill experienced to deal with and not required in.

We have enough issues with the police acting in an extra judicial manner, without civilians doing the same.

Your arguments that Kyle Rittenhouse had less of a right to be out in public than the people COMMITING CRIMES ALL OVER THE PLACE as comical as they are impotent. I'm disappointed that more citizens weren't out keeping the peace.

 

[05XR8]

Why 16? Why not 5? Kids learn to play cobs & robbers early on.

Why 16? Young girls usually menstruate before then. Get 'em strapped sooner.

Forget guns. Whips seemed to have been very effective much longer.

 

[Danoff]

What's the problem?

um... I answered that?

He created his situation, on purpose. That's the problem.

This is the future that BLM and ANTIFA have been BEGGING for! What do you think will happen once you defund and / or neuter the police? Regular citizens are going to be more proactive with their security and well-being.

I don't recall arguing to defund the police. I also don't recall being a member of BLM, or ANTIFA (which is pretty much just a bogieman on OAN), or begging for kyle rittenhouse to show up. So you're punching a strawman.

I think it's the one GOOD thing that could come from defunding and neutering police.

I know, you like to see people get shot. I'm saying we should be working to avoid that.

Besides, police don't usually get involved until AFTER an incident occurs. So if your survival strategy comes down to relying on a cop to save your life in the middle of a riot that they can't even HANDLE, you are going to have a bad time. As someone who CLEARLY dislikes law enforcement, I can't believe you went there!

How is it clear that I dislike law enforcement? I just said Kyle should let law enforcement handle it instead of dispensing his own brand of justice. How is that somehow against law or police? Yes, I'm glad that law enforcement does not try to stop people who have not committed a crime, and that should be the way it is.

At this point you're basically arguing that the Kyle Rittenhouses of the world should exist to scare people into not protesting in the first place so that it doesn't get out of hand. And that's just... well it's deeply unAmerican for one, but it's also counter to free speech, and it's rooted in the worst kind of authoritarianism. I mean, I know that this is the reason you like Kyle's actions, but I wasn't sure you knew it.

I live in an open carry state with less firearm restrictions than most, and I think EVERY citizen should be given a gun and firearms safety training on their 16th birthday. An armed society is a polite society.

In America, you have a right to own a gun, but you also have a right not to. There is no such thing as the second amendment if gun ownership is obligatory. Nice job arguing against a founding freedom of the nation... again.

Your arguments that Kyle Rittenhouse had less of a right to be out in public than the people COMMITING CRIMES ALL OVER THE PLACE as comical as they are impotent. I'm disappointed that more citizens weren't out keeping the peace.

"Keeping the peace", is that what he was doing? Because I thought that the outcome was less than peaceful. If he was keeping the peace, why is there a trial? I assume no one got hurt.

My argument is not that Kyle had less of a right to be there than someone committing a crime, and I did not say otherwise, this is another strawman. Like @TexRex, I'm getting bigtime groundfish vibes here. I've spoken to at least one person who can't carry a coherent conversation for longer than 2 seconds without resorting to strawmen, and it was groundfish.

 

[Famine]

Because I thought that the outcome was less than peaceful.

Fun fact: 100% of the people who died in the Kenosha unrest were shot dead by Kyle Rittenhouse. If he hadn't gone, odds are that nobody would have died.

I guess "Burn, Loot, and Murder" didn't get the memo about that third part.

 

[Joey D]

What do you think will happen once you defund and / or neuter the police?

They'll quit wasting an inordinate amount of tax dollars, generating revenue for municipalities with bogus citations, and not doing a damn thing about crime?

I think EVERY citizen should be given a gun and firearms safety training on their 16th birthday. An armed society is a polite society.

Your idea of a society is terrible. People who want to have a firearm should be able to own one, however, not everyone wants to own one and that's completely OK. Gun ownership and training should never be compulsory. Unless of course, you want American to be a de facto military fascist state where you're required to do that sort of thing.

Also, an armed society isn't a polite society. Gun ownership in Utah is incredibly high but judging by the sheer amount of complete and utter 🤬wits here, I'm going to wager owning a gun doesn't always make you a pleasant person.

 

[lancia delta hf]

We definitely do not need untrained morons like Kyle showing up with guns looking for trouble. That's how people get shot.

Untrained? Looking for trouble? What a load of bollocks. Why were residents boarding up windows and writing "children live here" ? Have you watching any of the evidence? They were throwing rocks at people defending businesses, Kyle went and signalled to them to calm down. He bumped into 4 BLM guys threatening him, he turned around and walked away and continued to shout if anyone needed medical attention. Someone else shouted abuse at him and he replied i love you too. The guy he shot Rosenbaum went there straight after being released from prison, was shouting shoot me ni$%a, threatened to kill Kyle. Then later he chased Kyle and Kyle shot the dirty pardo that raped 5 children. Not a single person that didn't attack Kyle got shot, 2 people that attacked and moved away also didn't get shot.

Theres plenty of footage of Kyle doing positive things that night, there's only footage of those other guys doing bad things. They were all there to cause trouble, burn peoples business down, throwing rocks at cops and people protecting their businesses. Some people on this form are so liberal and open minded their brains have fallen out.

 

[AZpocalypse]

Two words

Systemic Racism.

The US justice system is massively biased in many, many ways, particularly if you are black.

Report to the United Nations on Racial Disparities in the U.S. Criminal Justice System – The Sentencing Project

Report to the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Contemporary Forms of Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia, and Related Intolerance

www.sentencingproject.org

Systemic Racism DOES exist - it's called Affirmative Action. Other than that, It's the Boogeyman that racist people want SO MUCH to believe in, because it can be ANY reason, excuse or that you want it to be. Because THE SYSTEM is against you. I just can't accept that. Maybe it's because I'm not black. I believe that a person's character, ambition and life choices have more to do with how their life turns out than an insidious racism that plagues every aspect of society so thoroughly that it doesn't even leave any clear evidence that can be examined or addressed, and therefore it cannot be overcome!

First prove the problem exists. Do this by pointing out examples. Show me a current law, regulation or policy that is overtly racist, or clearly calls for preferential treatment based on race (besides Affirmative Action).

Once we have proof of systemic racism, we can address it and begin to correct it. Of course, the people who have built their careers on selling Systemic Racism don't WANT it fixed.