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And you clearly didn't read my post.
Renault were asked to confirm their drivers. Sky were clearly fishing for them to confirm Palmer, but not Maldonado, thereby adding more fuel to the "Maldonado's seat in trouble rumours". There has been nothing substantial to suggest that Palmer's seat is at risk, so why didn't Renault confirm him and not Maldonado? It's because Renault can see through Sky's plan. By not confirming Palmer, Renault retain control over the flow of information. They will reveal what they want about the team, when they want to reveal it. Quite how you have constructed that as an insult to Palmer is beyond me.
I suppose that there is a chance that Palmer's seat is in jeopardy of his sponsors didn't pay before Renault completed the buy-out, but there isn't anything substantial to support even the merest rumour of it. Right now, Renault's plan seems to be to write 2016 off as a transitional year while they rebuild the team and develop the car (it was, after all, designed around the Mercedes engine) while Maldonado and Palmer pay for it, then drop them both for 2017 and take on the drivers they want; Kevin Magnussen and Esteban Ocon have both been mentioned as possible candidates.
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Wild theory: Marciello was let go because he wasn't performing.
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Meanwhile, formula1.com lists Jolyon Palmer as carrying #30 - his test and reserve number - this year.
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Mercedes are expected to make a decusion about Werhlein next week. If he doesn't join Manor, he could be placed in GP2 alongside Giovinazzi at Prema, or stay in DTM and pull double duty as Mercedes' test and reserve driver. Manor seem to be interested, since Mercedes are offering $4 million while Manor want at least $8 million, but both Haryanto and Rossi reportedly have between $10 and $15 million.
It also appears that Werhlein's future could affect Robert Kubica - there has been some uncertainty over Kubica's future in the WRC, and there has been talk that he could return to circuit racing in the DTM. Maybe it's just coincidence (I haven't really followed the DTM), but Mercedes could be lining Kubica up as a possible replacement for Werhlein.
It also appears that Werhlein's future could affect Robert Kubica - there has been some uncertainty over Kubica's future in the WRC, and there has been talk that he could return to circuit racing in the DTM. Maybe it's just coincidence (I haven't really followed the DTM), but Mercedes could be lining Kubica up as a possible replacement for Werhlein.
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Well Kubica said he has things lined up for circuit racing and DTM was hinted at, but only so because of a test three years ago. So though he has something lined up he's not willing to say yet. This was all said and claimed after he crashed out at Monaco, and made comment that he most likely isn't going to be coming back to WRC due to money reasons, and the fact that him doing last year out of his back pocket was too much a burden.
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Cant say I really blame him honestly, his crash was brutal.
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Sadly the injuries made it very unlikely that he'd regain the control in his right hand that would be needed for an F1 car. If he did the process would take too long and he'd miss the F1 window-of-opportunity. Having had my right hand reattached I can testify to the length of time it takes to even be able to pick things up with it, even with four-times-daily physio. Shudder.
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That sounds extremely unpleasant! Shudder indeed.
As much as I would like to see him in an F1 car, I realise that's not gong to happen. DTM seems a lot more reasonable. I'd like to see him be given a shot. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out, and I don't think there's anything to be ashamed of.
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EDIT: Wrong thread. Moved.
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Credible or not (is there even such a thing as credible Spanish media?
), I'll only believe that when I see it.
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Credible or not (is there even such a thing as credible Spanish media?
My thoughts exactly. Also... I posted in completely the wrong thread. D'oh.
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Rio Haryanto's management have confirmed that Haryanto has the budget Manor are looking for and that he is in negotiations with the team. If successful, an announcement could be made next week.
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The rumour's been around since before christmas, I guess we won't know until Wednesday if it's correct or not... but the rumour certainly hasn't gone away and Renault have resisted a couple of clear opportunities to scotch it.
That said, I'd far rather see Maldonado/Magnussen racing than Gillian/Magnussen.
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It may not mean that - if the truth is indeed that the state of the Venezuelan market has forced PDVSA's hand then it might be that Renault had genuinely anticipated receiving the payment (as Renault or as Lotus) only for the payment to fail to arrive. I'm sure they would have a use for it if it had been paid.
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What Marko should do is shove it.
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It might also explain the delay in the Manor signings. Their car passed its crash tests, and by all accounts, both Rio Haryanto and Alexander Rossi have a budget well in excess of what Manor are asking for. It should be a slam-dunk, but there hasn't been any movement. As I understand it, Maldonado has more money than Haryanto or Rossi, even if PDVSA cannot commit to the same amount as they have had in the past. I wonder if they are waiting to see what happens to Maldonado in the hopes of using his money to offset Wehrlein's budget shortfall.
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Wherlein in F1, interesting. I think I'd prefer to see him over Rossi.
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Which is why I find what you posted before interesting. Of Werhlein, Rossi, and Haryanto, I'm most interested to see Werhlein in F1. Both Rossi and Haryanto strike me as pay drivers, so I could stomach a third pay driver - Crashtor - helping pay to get Werhlein a seat.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.
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I think Haryanto's reputation would be better if he hadn't raced for Addax in their final year of GP2. The team was owned by Alejandro Agag at the time, and he was more interested in setting up Formula E.
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Atleast in this scenario we have 3 drivers going for a seat who have had some sort of results, pay driver or not.
Rossi has adapted to F1 pretty good, considering he was basically beating Stevens off the bat who imo was already outperforming his track record when he made mince meat of Merhi who had a junior record that crushes Stevens results(except his terrible campaign in DTM).
Alot of people use Kobayashi as a benchmark for saying anyone can get to another level when they get to F1, but you also do have to keep in mind his pre GP2 career was at a pretty High grade(he is one of the only people that have managed to win Two European F2.0 Titles in a single year).
something that stands out for me is the 2011 F3.5 season where Rossi got 3rd in the championship in his debut European Series, only losing to the completely dominate Carlin team of Wickens and Vergne, He also managed to beat Ricciardo in the less competitive ISR car but that isn't fully reflective as he was basically focusing on his STR Testing and Simulator job.
GP2 can be a Career Breaker as it's that much much different to the other junior catagory's as there is much bigger budgets involved, why F3.5 was a better series for a long time as the budgets where smaller and the difference between teams mostly wasn't as big, you also didn't get as many journeyman who would just stay there for 5 years doing nothing but taking good seats from proper talent.
Rossi has adapted to F1 pretty good, considering he was basically beating Stevens off the bat who imo was already outperforming his track record when he made mince meat of Merhi who had a junior record that crushes Stevens results(except his terrible campaign in DTM).
Alot of people use Kobayashi as a benchmark for saying anyone can get to another level when they get to F1, but you also do have to keep in mind his pre GP2 career was at a pretty High grade(he is one of the only people that have managed to win Two European F2.0 Titles in a single year).
something that stands out for me is the 2011 F3.5 season where Rossi got 3rd in the championship in his debut European Series, only losing to the completely dominate Carlin team of Wickens and Vergne, He also managed to beat Ricciardo in the less competitive ISR car but that isn't fully reflective as he was basically focusing on his STR Testing and Simulator job.
GP2 can be a Career Breaker as it's that much much different to the other junior catagory's as there is much bigger budgets involved, why F3.5 was a better series for a long time as the budgets where smaller and the difference between teams mostly wasn't as big, you also didn't get as many journeyman who would just stay there for 5 years doing nothing but taking good seats from proper talent.
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