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Don't forget Nyck De Vries is on their books as well, 3rd in last seasons Renault 3.5 championship. Just hope there is room at the top!
I keep forgetting about him. Probably because we don't really get any coverage of Formula Renault. What's he doing this year? I can't imagine that Formula V8 3.5 is going anywhere - I'd be getting out as soon as possible, but all of the good GP2 drives are taken and GP3 would be a step down (and likely to die soon if GP2 is reborn as Formula 2).
 
I presumed he would be staying on in the new Formula V8 3.5 series to try and win it this season. Apparently he tested the ART GP3 car though and is in the running for a drive there... I agree it would be a step down, but at least it would put him on the right "path" with the new super license points system... FIA certainly seem to have narrowed the F1 progression ladder when it comes to the top talents.
 
FIA certainly seem to have narrowed the F1 progression ladder when it comes to the top talents.
It's a very deliberate move on their part. They have introduced what they call the "Global Pathway", which is designed to streamline the path from karting to Formula 1. It has cut the status of several series, but the FIA felt that the sheer availability of seats is allowing more pay drivers into the middle echelons, creating a logjam. By controlling the costs in Formula 4, it is hoped that the most-talented drivers will quickly emerge and attract the sponsors. Eventually, it will get to the point where national and regional Formula 4 chanpionships will feed into continental Formula 3 championships like European Formula 3, which will in turn feed into an intercontinental championship like Formula 2, which will be the preferred proving ground for Formula 1. The sheer amount of talent in cost-controlled junior formulae will eventually force pay drivers out. Look at GP2; Daniel de Jong has a seat with MP Motorsport putely because his father has a stake in the team. In terms of pure talent, he has no business being there.

It's also hoped that the streamlining will aid drivers in advancing their careers; picking between GP2 and Formula Renault 3.5 was always a tough choice, and the wrong choice could spell death for a promising deive. Both Kevin Korjus and Tio Ellinas probably could have cut it in GP2 and maybe even stood a chance at Formula 1 with the right backing, but both went to Formula Renault 3.5 at the precisely the wrong time, and both are now out in the wilderness.

It does appear to be working - the 2016 GP2 grid looks like one of the most competitive in years, with Sirotkin, Matsu****a, Evans, Giovannazi, Gasly, Ghiotto, Marciello, Rowland and Lynn. And Artem Markelov; he might not be fast and will probably never make it to Formula 1, but damn it if he isn't entertaining to watch.
 
I remember at the time it was announced that I thought it was a poor move, but the positives are definitely outweighing the negatives, and it still needs time to fully form. The only big negative I can see is that GP3 and GP2 do not allow champions to return. Although it allows more talent to reach the top, if there is no room in F1 then you are trapped into doing something else like Vandoorne is doing. I'm sure if the choice was available that he would probably stay in GP2 another year to face off against that impressive list of drivers and prove he is still the best outside of F1. Plus sharing the calendar means he would be available immediately for McLaren should he be required.
 
I'm sure if the choice was available that he would probably stay in GP2 another year to face off against that impressive list of drivers and prove he is still the best outside of F1.
I don't think he needs to. He was impressive in his rookie season, won the title pretty convincingly last year, and has generally been quick in whatever he has been driving. Super Formula is a good move because it is a further step up on terms of power and performance.
 
Do you think if Button decides to go after this year, and Vandoorne's SF season goes fine he'll be a shoe-in for the McLaren seat? Or will they still be wary of the Perez/Magnussen fiascos and prefer to give him a start in a lower-order team? (Assuming there actually are teams below McLaren by 2017......)

Agreed there looks like a good mix of drivers in the junior classes these days - will probably try to follow GP2/V8 3.5 more closely this year. Only makes it more frustrating the current state of F1 and its resistance to new talent moving in. There's no news/rumours of possible new team entries coming anytime soon, right? I know this is a common complaint but I'd so like to see another couple of teams on the grid just so the youngsters have something to drive. I still remember in 2010 being really excited for a 26-car grid (first time I would've seen such a thing) and of course it didn't happen - but even a sorta-healthy grid of 24 seems a long time ago now........
 
Do you think if Button decides to go after this year, and Vandoorne's SF season goes fine he'll be a shoe-in for the McLaren seat? Or will they still be wary of the Perez/Magnussen fiascos and prefer to give him a start in a lower-order team? (Assuming there actually are teams below McLaren by 2017......)

Agreed there looks like a good mix of drivers in the junior classes these days - will probably try to follow GP2/V8 3.5 more closely this year. Only makes it more frustrating the current state of F1 and its resistance to new talent moving in. There's no news/rumours of possible new team entries coming anytime soon, right? I know this is a common complaint but I'd so like to see another couple of teams on the grid just so the youngsters have something to drive. I still remember in 2010 being really excited for a 26-car grid (first time I would've seen such a thing) and of course it didn't happen - but even a sorta-healthy grid of 24 seems a long time ago now........

He would already be a shoe in with or without the SF season. It's just there is nothing for him to do for Honda other than be a full time reserve or run in SF or Super GT. And since closed top coupes aren't close to the skill he'd need for F1, I really feel they're doing this as a size up for next season.

If I were Alonso or Jenson and planned on being in F1 or more so in F1 with McLaren beyond 2016, I'd try to prove it this year. Despite both being WDC, they're old(er) and expendable. Which means McLaren and Honda must think they're car is improved enough for them to show just what they can do with it.
 
Or will they still be wary of the Perez/Magnussen fiascos and prefer to give him a start in a lower-order team?
I think there's less question marks over Vandoorne's name than Perez or Magnussen. Perez was rated highly enough by Ferrari, but some of Lance Stroll's recent comments about his move to Williams make me wonder if the Ferrari Driver Academy is all that it's cracked up to me; Stroll noted that there was a training regime and some driver mentoring, but no hands-on experience with the team or any simulator work. Perez himself has said that he moved to McLaren too soon. As for Magnussen, he had junior formulae success to his name, but he wasn't a fully-developed talent when he joined the grid. Vandoorne is probably the most well-rounded, consistently-quick and genuinely exciting young driver since Lewis Hamilton.
 
Right, I'll post driver news in the constructor thread because, hey, it involves the teams, right?
Only if it involves car design and innovation, since that's what the thread is supposed to be about.

Yes, yes, we all know what's coming - you scour that thread looking for example of me posting general team-related news and triumphantly repost them here, which you will probably find, and then I point out that peoples' opinions can change and that we're not obligated to religiously observe an opinion from birth to death, but none of that changes the fact that you're just being petty because you don't think that what I posted is newsworthy.
 
Only if it involves car design and innovation, since that's what the thread is supposed to be about.

Yes, yes, we all know what's coming - you scour that thread looking for example of me posting general team-related news and triumphantly repost them here, which you will probably find, and then I point out that peoples' opinions can change and that we're not obligated to religiously observe an opinion from birth to death, but none of that changes the fact that you're just being petty because you don't think that what I posted is newsworthy.

The method was a bit cryptic but I believe he was informing you that the alfa news should have been posted in that thread since it didn't have anything talking about drivers. Perhaps you just clicked the thread link you saw first and went with it? Don't answer that it doesn't really matter I don't hold it against you if you did.

Anyways I think that was his point. Also for the last bit where you go on the speech...we call that a Mitt Romney flip floppin. 👍
 
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Only if it involves car design and innovation, since that's what the thread is supposed to be about.

Yes, yes, we all know what's coming - you scour that thread looking for example of me posting general team-related news and triumphantly repost them here, which you will probably find, and then I point out that peoples' opinions can change and that we're not obligated to religiously observe an opinion from birth to death, but none of that changes the fact that you're just being petty because you don't think that what I posted is newsworthy.
It can be newsworthy all you want it to be, and it is, but where do driver transfers play into it, which is the topic of this thread. Buying, or not buying, into teams is a very constructor-centric topic.
 
Man, if Juan just had one Formula one thread, it would be so much less confusing. I swear GTP has more posts about where posts should go than posts which actually move the conversation along.

And seriously, does PM posting that info in this thread as opposed to the constructor thread really effect your day that much?? How OCD can you get????
 
Man, if Juan just had one Formula one thread, it would be so much less confusing. I swear GTP has more posts about where posts should go than posts which actually move the conversation along.

And seriously, does PM posting that info in this thread as opposed to the constructor thread really effect your day that much?? How OCD can you get????
It's the lack of continuity from PM. He initially posted the Alfa news in the constructor thread, but now I get the sense that he doesn't care where he posts things at, which is hypocritical considering he bitched about the Wolfgang Reip thread being posted. He cannot have things both ways.
 
which is hypocritical considering he bitched about the Wolfgang Reip thread being posted
Only if you assume that I learned nothing from the experience. Given that the title of the constructor thread specifically relates to car design, I don't think soft news about rumours of a take-over should go there. But given that this thread naturally deals with gossip, it seemed the more appropriate place to put it.

Of course, I apparently didn't learn anything from the Riep thread, so such reasoning must be beyond me.
 
You know completely that in Formula 1 constructors = teams.

Or maybe you don't considering you've posted two things about Alfa Romeo and Formula 1 in both threads now. Maybe Alfa Romeo is an up-and-coming driver...
 
Only if you assume that I learned nothing from the experience. Given that the title of the constructor thread specifically relates to car design, I don't think soft news about rumours of a take-over should go there. But given that this thread naturally deals with gossip, it seemed the more appropriate place to put it.

Of course, I apparently didn't learn anything from the Riep thread, so such reasoning must be beyond me.

Title also says please read first post so you dont solely base what you should and shouldn't post off a title alone, so this makes me think you didn't read the first post as the title suggested...

You should give that shovel you dig with a break (I'm joking). Also the constructor thread has always talked about potential team changes, actual team changes and engineer changes. This is due to it all having something to do with that actual design path a team takes.
 
The next thread complainer has to watch the 2005 United States Grand Prix in its entirety, stare at Bernie Ecclestone's face for an equivalent amount of time, and be Ralf Schumacher's lackey for the remainder of the year.
 
....He cannot have things both ways.
"WOOP WOOP, it's da sound of da police!"

So changing the NASCAR thread title is the end of the world, but cluttering up numerous threads with this rediculous back and forth is alright?? :P


Folks, I think we all need a Disney moment
 
The next thread complainer has to watch the 2005 United States Grand Prix in its entirety, stare at Bernie Ecclestone's face for an equivalent amount of time, and be Ralf Schumacher's lackey for the remainder of the year.
I wouldn't mind it that much.
 
Reports coming in of a press conference at 8:30 GMT to announce Haryanto as Manor's second driver. I just don't know if it's 8:30am or 8:30pm.

Update - apparently it's 8:30am, or about twelve hours from now.
 
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Reports coming in of a press conference at 8:30 GMT to announce Haryanto as Manor's second driver. I just don't know if it's 8:30am or 8:30pm.

Update - apparently it's 8:30am, or about twelve hours from now.
So what was the point of the FIA's Superlicense points program if both Manor drivers don't qualify* but they're letting them race anyways?

*I know Wehrlein technically qualifies as he has previously held one, but he doesn't have the 40 points.
 
So what was the point of the FIA's Superlicense points program if both Manor drivers don't qualify* but they're letting them race anyways?
I'm pretty sure they qualified under the old system, where you could do 300km of testing (provided that you did it across two or more days). Haryanto tested for Manor when they were known as Marussia, and some of his GP2 results would have been enough to maintain it. The points system only comes into effect from this year, but superlicences are valid for several years.
 
So what was the point of the FIA's Superlicense points program if both Manor drivers don't qualify* but they're letting them race anyways?

*I know Wehrlein technically qualifies as he has previously held one, but he doesn't have the 40 points.

Realistically a recently crowned DTM champion not being able to race due to the convoluted rule changes and who is also the same person to log hours with an actual F1 car and hold the license previously should get a pass. Compared to...well that other guy that he'll be team mates with.
 
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