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I agree with it too, I just wonder if Rossi has something in his contract which gives him first dibs.
I'd suspect that a team in Manor's rather unenviable financial position, would be wiser than to lock themselves into giving a seat to a driver with no money, in the event that one of their drivers funds dry up. I could be wrong, though.
His manager already said Manor wasn't an option this year, doubt things have changed given they're still the backmarkers.
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/226405/1/manor-not-really-an-option-for-maldonado.html
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/226405/1/manor-not-really-an-option-for-maldonado.html
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Sky discussing a couple of rumoured driver moves during Montreal FP1 - first, Massa has apparently been linked to a Renault seat in 2017 as Renault reportedly want experience with the new regulations coming into effect. Secondlt, Felipe Nasr is said to be so unhappy with Sauber that he is looking at getting out as soon as possible and taking his (substantial) sponsor portfolio elsewhere. However, I can't imagine that he will find a new home unless a team loses patience with one of their drivers (Kvyat, Gutiérrez and Palmer may all be on thin ice, while there was speculation a while ago that Haryanto's days are numbered unless a new agreement can be worked out with Pertamina and Jakarta).
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Car Wars: Episode VII
THE VANDOORNE AWAKENS
It is a time of instability in the Woking Republic. Following the events of A New Honda, The Button Strikes Back and The Return of Fernando, Supreme Chancellor Ron Dennis faces a difficult decision for 2017 - the prodigious young upstart Stoffel Vandoorne or the tried-and-true veteran Jenson Button. After the Kaltenborn System's disastrous attempt to fit three drivers into two cars, Dennis finds himself unable to delay any longer, and will be forced to make a decision to determine the future of McLaren ...
THE VANDOORNE AWAKENS
It is a time of instability in the Woking Republic. Following the events of A New Honda, The Button Strikes Back and The Return of Fernando, Supreme Chancellor Ron Dennis faces a difficult decision for 2017 - the prodigious young upstart Stoffel Vandoorne or the tried-and-true veteran Jenson Button. After the Kaltenborn System's disastrous attempt to fit three drivers into two cars, Dennis finds himself unable to delay any longer, and will be forced to make a decision to determine the future of McLaren ...
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In a perfect world Button probably stays in F1, but moves to Williams. It would be understandable that Renault would want an experienced lineup rather than what they have now, so if he takes the vacant Williams place and finishes his career where he started it, that would be a fitting end to his career. This would also obviously free up the McLaren seat for Vandoorne.
Whoever else is in that Renault seat next year is what I'm curious about, the impression I get is that Magnussen is driving for his seat while Palmer is very much a lost cause. I dont follow their reserve drivers but I don't feel the fans, or the team are all too convinced they're good enough since there's little buzz, compared to say Vandoorne or Wehrlein.
Whoever else is in that Renault seat next year is what I'm curious about, the impression I get is that Magnussen is driving for his seat while Palmer is very much a lost cause. I dont follow their reserve drivers but I don't feel the fans, or the team are all too convinced they're good enough since there's little buzz, compared to say Vandoorne or Wehrlein.
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James Allen on F1 is implying that Palmer is under pressure:
https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2016...iew-not-like-anything-weve-seen-before-in-f1/
Palmer reckons his contract for the season is watertight, which is unusual - I suspect that if Renault are hesitating over replacing him, it's more because it's a poor look after half a dozen races and they doubt that any replacement could significantly better his results. But like I have said before, Renault's talk about a future for the likes of Ocon and Latifi before the season had even started suggest that Palmer's days have been numbered since the outset - in which case they might see his contract out to give him every chance of picking up a new deal for 2017 (but I can't imagine that anyone would be mad enough or desperate enough to do it).
https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2016...iew-not-like-anything-weve-seen-before-in-f1/
Palmer reckons his contract for the season is watertight, which is unusual - I suspect that if Renault are hesitating over replacing him, it's more because it's a poor look after half a dozen races and they doubt that any replacement could significantly better his results. But like I have said before, Renault's talk about a future for the likes of Ocon and Latifi before the season had even started suggest that Palmer's days have been numbered since the outset - in which case they might see his contract out to give him every chance of picking up a new deal for 2017 (but I can't imagine that anyone would be mad enough or desperate enough to do it).
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Autosport's Edd Straw argues that Ferrari has to drop Kimi Räikkönen if it wants to get serious about taking on Mercedes:
http://www.autosport.com/premium/feature/7053/ferrari-must-drop-raikkonen-if-it-serious
http://www.autosport.com/premium/feature/7053/ferrari-must-drop-raikkonen-if-it-serious
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I'm not sure about Perez, I wasnt impress when he was under pressure at mclaren, there's no indication that it will change at Ferrari. It's not because you can do good stuff when no one expect you that you can deliver when you got pressure on your shoulders.
I'm all up for Sainz tho but I dont think Ferrari is looking to that kind of driver, they never took youngster.
In my eyes the best chance goes to Grosjean which isnt a treat to Vettel and has proven himself. I do admit that Grosjean is in the same sort of spot as Perez as it's always easier to perform when your team is a outsider. Beside he knows ferrari system and everything since they use them on the Haas.
Ideal driver tho if they want a lineup like Mercedes is Riccardo tho but it wont happen because of Vettel. And dont tell me he got a contract I know that, but contract are made to be broken and Ferrari have a huge budget.
I'm all up for Sainz tho but I dont think Ferrari is looking to that kind of driver, they never took youngster.
In my eyes the best chance goes to Grosjean which isnt a treat to Vettel and has proven himself. I do admit that Grosjean is in the same sort of spot as Perez as it's always easier to perform when your team is a outsider. Beside he knows ferrari system and everything since they use them on the Haas.
Ideal driver tho if they want a lineup like Mercedes is Riccardo tho but it wont happen because of Vettel. And dont tell me he got a contract I know that, but contract are made to be broken and Ferrari have a huge budget.
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FTFY.
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Honestly, I think that most of the tension between them was built up by the media - mostly the Australian media, who loved the conflict between Vettel and Webber (and Webber, who knew how to play the media).
When Jenson Button left Brawn, it was because he had been with the team - in its various incarnations - since 2003, and he felt that a new environment would reinvigorate him because his relationship with BAR-Honda-Brawn was as developed as it could be. I think that Vettel came to a similar realisation.
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I'd disagree with that to be honest.
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Based on what?
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From how I've seen Vettel and his complaining. The whole multi-21 thing. Webber's front wing given to Vettel.
Granted they may have been blown out of proportion by the media to churn up stories but I've just never had any good vibes from Vettel. To me he just seems like he wants an easy teammate.
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Surely he left because Mercedes had their own preferred driver line-up? The Brawn was hardly competitive by the end of the season and Button had no reason to believe it would be so in 2010, and it wasn't.
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He moved to McLaren long before Mercedes even bought the team (though by that point it was a foregone conclusion), much less announced the return of Michael Schumacher. It was widely expected that Button would partner Nico Rosberg, but he left for McLaren.
I fail to see how an incident in 2010 - before Ricciardo was even in Formula One - has anything to do with the relationship between Vettel and Ricciardo.
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My interpretation of that is Vettel wanted preferential treatment and got it over Webber. Ricciardo comes in and beats him in 2014. Vettel has a cry and jumps ship to Ferrari to get away from him and join one of the few drivers he gets along with and probably used his 4 world titles to get number 1 status.
Multi 21 was nothing to do with wanting preference, it was simply Seb being a racer and wanting to win the race. Yes it was a dick move to go against the instruction but it wasn't moaning or wanting preference, he wanted to fight his team mate for the win, that was it. He ignored a team order, he didn't ask for Webber to be moved over.
As for the wing the explanation given was always that RB favour the championship leader and since they've stuck to that ethos since I don't think there can be anything to prove there was another motive.
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I don't see it. You're assuming that a four-time World Champion felt threatened by a driver with less experience, no wins and no titles for no apparent reason.
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Button's move was announced on Wed 18th Nov 2009, two days after it was announced that Mercedes had purchased 75% of the Brawn team. It seemed clear at the time that Mercedes had telegraphed their intention to hire their own drivers.
From Button's point of view the car was uncompetitive by the end of 2009, was unlikely to be competitive in 2010 and he was unlikely to be hired as a driver. Simple as
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Because Ricciardo is more talented perhaps? How do you explain Daniel winning 3 races and Vettel winning bugger all that season if the cars were supposedly the same?
I guess multi-21 was him wanting to race but it's still an arrogant move and he was protected by the team. Also didn't he request Webber to be moved over via team radio before being told to stay behind? I remember watching the race but can't remember if he did request it or not.
Vettel never lead the championship in 2010 until he won it in Abu Dhabi.
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Key word is "announced".
Opportunity. He only really won those races when Mercedes imploded.
I don't deny that Ricciardo is talented. I just don't buy the "Vettel ran to Ferrari because he was afraid of Ricciardo" argument, mostly because I think it stems from people trying to undermine Vettel's status as a legend of the sport.
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