The GT Sport Epic Whining and Crying Thread

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Ah gotcha, yes that is what I'm saying. You can't point to GT being a great sim based solely on it finding the fast drivers that become real racing drivers. Any game will do that, it's only when you put them in a real car do you find out if they've truly got what it takes.

Reminds of the that funny video of GTA finalist crashing into wall because the 370Z has no ABS, lockup panic GTA should have been done without ABS

 

[Johnnypenso]

Wrote a guide is the biggest campaigner ? I got grilled for posting no ABS topics, obviously you haven't read my posts on other threads in GT5 about no ABS. Even mod have to stepped in if I recalled, a member here barra33 or something got mad at me. I actively posting no ABS stuff back then, there's no one else did that on several different threads over a period of time ( almost daily - TT threads, question/tuning threads ), until I got flak with elitists name calling. The OP of that guide never did that I suppose.

@GTP_CargoRatt was there, maybe he remembers some of it ?



You said in FITT, that sounds like saying I'm a FITT member

My point was that I was the only one got called elitist because I was posting about no ABS too often that makes people angry.



Different games would still attract the same people to compete

How heavy are those goalposts? You said you were the only one that campaigned for no ABS in GT5 and clearly you weren't. One person in that entire thread said he had an issue with what he perceived as the way you came across when talking about driving without ABS.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

How heavy are those goalposts? You said you were the only one that campaigned for no ABS in GT5 and clearly you weren't. One person in that entire thread said he had an issue with what he perceived as the way you came across when talking about driving without ABS.

I can't be bothered to scour old thread and quote each posts I made about no ABS in GT5, there were many of them that you may never read. For me, writing a guide is not campaigning ( promoting/persuade people ) for no ABS, helping is more like it. Most of no ABS driver in GT5 stays silent, that's what I remember.

You are free to think what you like This will be my last post on no ABS, can't be bothered to dwell on it

 

[SlipZtrEm]

You are free to think what you like

Indeed, and if you say something like this:

I was literally the only one do that in GTP

People are quite free to think of you as a liar.

I cant speak for @mister dog but I can tell you that a proper sim,is a game that simulates (as well as it can be done) real life racing.Things like tyre physics,car behavior-physics,track conditions and how are effected by time,weather changes ext are some examples.
And honestly you cannot say that Forza or GT are as good as they need to be in terms of these examples to be called "simulators".Or you can say that they try to do so but concidering what other games/studios have done,they come sort.

By this definition, GPL isn't a proper sim. Neither is AC, really (it's very limited on the weather/time front). iRacing wasn't one until last year, I guess.

Again, it's taking a revisionist view of the genre. GT and Forza aren't "as good as they need to be" according to who? I'll agree about both games missing out on myriad features of a race weekend, but in terms of driving, they are both simulations. That's the shared goal they have: recreating the responses of real world cars. Are they 100% accurate? Of course not: no game is.

Regardless of them coming up short, they're still simulation-style driving games. I can't stand the Transformers films, but I wouldn't argue that they aren't in fact films.

Ah gotcha, yes that is what I'm saying. You can't point to GT being a great sim based solely on it finding the fast drivers that become real racing drivers. Any game will do that, it's only when you put them in a real car do you find out if they've truly got what it takes.

Ah, so much this. GT Academy was truly fascinating for the doors it opened for people, but these were all people that had serious latent talent already. The GT name's high visibility is what made things possible. GTA was, and continues to be, a great form of marketing, which likely means as soon as the companies involved no longer see a return on investment, they'll end the program.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Indeed, and if you say something like this:



People are quite free to think of you as a liar.



By this definition, GPL isn't a proper sim. Neither is AC, really (it's very limited on the weather/time front). iRacing wasn't one until last year, I guess.

Again, it's taking a revisionist view of the genre. GT and Forza aren't "as good as they need to be" according to who? I'll agree about both games missing out on myriad features of a race weekend, but in terms of driving, they are both simulations. That's the shared goal they have: recreating the responses of real world cars. Are they 100% accurate? Of course not: no game is.

Regardless of them coming up short, they're still simulation-style driving games. I can't stand the Transformers films, but I wouldn't argue that they aren't in fact films.



Ah, so much this. GT Academy was truly fascinating for the doors it opened for people, but these were all people that had serious latent talent already. The GT name's high visibility is what made things possible. GTA was, and continues to be, a great form of marketing, which likely means as soon as the companies involved no longer see a return on investment, they'll end the program.

I have no intention to lie, but if people called me liar, so be it, I don't mind, especially from someone like Johnny, I could already predict he will quote me . To you, do you think I lie ? I think you were already a mod back then when I often posts about no ABS in GT5 ? Am I the only who got reported by people when I posts about no ABS ? Do you think writing a no ABS guide is campaigning no ABS actively ? My understanding is to be considered campaigning no ABS, I would have to be actively posting requesting people to try it or talked about it in a way to persuade people to try ( which I did many times and got me called elitists )

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Does GT simulate things like tyre pressures and fuel loads already? And the examples @JulesDennis gave are pretty valid too. That's just the physics part, you also have the format which (up until now), lacked proper endurance racing, qualifying sessions, standing starts, a damage system... Then there's the unrealistic behavior with regards to the engine layout, or when you drove over grass or gravel, clutch not properly simulated, there's wasn't any torque steer... Need i say more?


Because they know how to take a corner, and use the throttle and brakes properly. That doesn't make the title a 'simulation'.

I see where the communication breach happen now:idea:. There really is only two terms commonly used to describe Racing Software: Arcade and Simulation.

Simulation is A software program design to replicate real car handling. With Automobile behavior physics to replicate the rigors of being a professional race driver are usually also included (such as having to deal with a car's tire wear condition and fuel level), pitting, mechanical damage. Proper cornering technique, Grip and precision racing maneuvers (such as trail braking) are given priority in A Racing Simulator. Racing simulators are usually piloted from the interior driving view, as driving views from a perspective other than the driver's cockpit view are considered arcade. As you an see the qualification criteria of A "Proper Racing Simulator isn't that elaborate, and Gran Turismo being one of the first, and Forza Motorsport also meeting these criteria on console.

So these thing are what constitutes A "Proper" Simulator. Things like Tire Pressure, Race Formatting, Physical Damage, Yellow Flags, Pace Cars, and Race Penalties constitutes A HARD CORE Simulator.

So in that case I would agree with you that GT Sport and Forza Motorsport 6 are NOT Hardcore Racing Simulators, but they are "Proper" Racing Simulators.

Sims evolving every year is true, and so is the fact that every racing game has certain flaws so you can never call any of them 'the uber simulation'.

But try GT or Forza and then go for a run in AC and you will notice the difference immediately.

If you take A real Ford GT to the track on A set of Racing Pirelli's then switch over to A set Of Racing Michelin's you will immediately notice the difference. So to compare one Racing Simulator handling physics to another is like comparing Tire manufacturers to another. Some tires are designed for mid Engine cars and some for RWD Cars, So to expect them all to perform the same is as reasonable to expect Racing Simulators to perform the same. Some Sim Devs Go by the cars manufacturers cars spec when calculating their physics engine, But Polyphony Digital has actually test each car personally in GT Sport to get the Physics specs. I'm not sure about how Kunos, or Slightly Mad Studios or even Turn 10 Studios implement handling specs, But as long as proper driving technique is implemented all Racing Simulators should handle properly within tolerance.

 

[ImaRobot]

I have no intention to lie, but if people called me liar, so be it, I don't mind, especially from someone like Johnny, I could already predict he will quote me . To you, do you think I lie ? I think you were already a mod back then when I often posts about no ABS in GT5 ? Am I the only who got reported by people when I posts about no ABS ? Do you think writing a no ABS guide is campaigning no ABS actively ? My understanding is to be considered campaigning no ABS, I would have to be actively posting requesting people to try it or talked about it in a way to persuade people to try ( which I did many times and got me called elitists )

Either a lie, or an exaggeration. Maybe you should just change it from "..literally the only one.." to "..one of the people.."

That is the whole reason it's being called against you.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Either a lie, or an exaggeration. Maybe you should just change it from "..literally the only one.." to "..one of the people.."

That is the whole reason it's being called against you.

I don't really care being called a liar, and no, I won't change it, I'll let it be. As I recalled, no none else got called elitists or actively posting no ABS posts on other thread than that guide.

 

[ImaRobot]

I don't really care being called a liar, and no, I won't change it, I'll let it be. As I recalled, no none else got called elitists or actively posting no ABS posts on other thread than that guide.

Then stop taking up such a concern with it. You make post after post defending it, and then say you dont care? That's just odd.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

What the hell @Ridox2JZGTE calling me in here about something that happened 5-6 (or more) years ago. Just kidding my friend. Anyways, not sure how I'm supposed to respond, but I'll just put it how I remember it. I can't say you were the only one, but I do remember you being the most vocal about the whole non ABS thing. It seemed like every time I come across your posts, you were going on and on about how you didn't use ABS and that is what irritated me about you back then. And, just so everyone here knows, I admittedly am one of the ones that called him an elitist. If I remember correctly, we had a few heated words about the whole situation. We later discussed things, via pm if I remember right, and I got a better understanding of where he was coming from. We have since become very good friends and he taught be a lot about the game and trying new things, such as using no ABS. I think what's happening here in this discussion is a misunderstanding of terminology, or something like that. There is no way really to tell who was the first at something or even if they were the only ones. What we can tell, or remember, is who was the most vocal about things, and I can say that Rido was definitely the most vocal about the non ABS subject as I remember it. I was right in the thick of the whole discussion/argument or whatever you want to call it so yes, I think I'm a pretty good one to ask about this. Was he the only one, probably not....but he was the most vocal about it I can tell you that. Anyways, that's my take on the situation. Nice to see you again Rido.....and everyone else here, miss playing the game with you guys. 👍 Stay fast.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Then stop taking up such a concern with it. You make post after post defending it, and then say you dont care? That's just odd.

Please don't quote me then. From this moment on, I will be more selective to whom I will respond, better that way. So, next time someone else make similar post like you died earlier, I will read and may ignore it.

What the hell @Ridox2JZGTE calling me in here about something that happened 5-6 (or more) years ago. Just kidding my friend. Anyways, not sure how I'm supposed to respond, but I'll just put it how I remember it. I can't say you were the only one, but I do remember you being the most vocal about the whole non ABS thing. It seemed like every time I come across your posts, you were going on and on about how you didn't use ABS and that is what irritated me about you back then. And, just so everyone here knows, I admittedly am one of the ones that called him an elitist. If I remember correctly, we had a few heated words about the whole situation. We later discussed things, via pm if I remember right, and I got a better understanding of where he was coming from. We have since become very good friends and he taught be a lot about the game and trying new things, such as using no ABS. I think what's happening here in this discussion is a misunderstanding of terminology, or something like that. There is no way really to tell who was the first at something or even if they were the only ones. What we can tell, or remember, is who was the most vocal about things, and I can say that Rido was definitely the most vocal about the non ABS subject as I remember it. I was right in the thick of the whole discussion/argument or whatever you want to call it so yes, I think I'm a pretty good one to ask about this. Was he the only one, probably not....but he was the most vocal about it I can tell you that. Anyways, that's my take on the situation. Nice to see you again Rido.....and everyone else here, miss playing the game with you guys. 👍 Stay fast.

Thanks Cargo The problem was the claim about no ABS campaign, glad you still remember it, coz I already forgot most of them
You are not the only one I had heated discussion with, there's one thread that got heated up that the "elitist" word also got thrown, sadly that was the last time we had discussion.

When I said the only one, I meant the only one that got very vocal/actively posting in different threads trying to get them use no ABS, and people ended up calling me elitist from the lack of finesse in writing .

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Please don't quote me then. From this moment on, I will be more selective to whom I will respond, better that way. So, next time someone else make similar post like you died earlier, I will read and may ignore it.



Thanks Cargo The problem was the claim about no ABS campaign, glad you still remember it, coz I already forgot most of them
You are not the only one I had heated discussion with, there's one thread that got heated up that the "elitist" word also got thrown, sadly that was the last time we had discussion.

When I said the only one, I meant the only one that got very vocal/actively posting in different threads trying to get them use no ABS, and people ended up calling me elitist from the lack of finesse in writing .

I think the part that I have bolded here more accurately sums things up here as far as your part goes because the way I saw it, you were the most vocal about it back then. At any rate, hope my input here helps clears the air a little here. People just have to see your enthusiasm about the whole non ABS thing and just take it for what it is. Again, nice chatting with you again my friend.....really miss the old days. (your hybrids especially back in GT5) Stay fast everyone and remember, its just a game....don't take it, and its discussions, too seriously. Its supposed to be fun.

 

[Imari]

I'd like to vote for the word "literally" to be removed from the English language.

It has no meaning at all when people can use it to mean both "literally" and "not literally at all".

Anyone who uses it henceforth should be given a paddlin'.

 

[GordonS]

... ..
Stay fast everyone and remember, its just a game....don't take it, and its discussions, too seriously. Its supposed to be fun.

👍 I hope this helps to lighten the mood here. GTP is such a tense place nowadays.

 

[FoRiZon]

👍 I hope this helps to lighten the mood here. GTP is such a tense place nowadays.

GTP should be for fun, not for eating people. Whatever that is.

 

[Imari]

GTP should be for fun, not for eating people. Whatever that is.

Tastes like chicken, in case you were wondering.

 

[JKgo]

Tastes like chicken, in case you were wondering.

....Coincidentally, a croc meat taste like chicken too. Mmmm......

Personally, some people here might taste a bit like a slice of baloney, if you know what I mean.

 

[ImaRobot]

Please don't quote me then. From this moment on, I will be more selective to whom I will respond, better that way. So, next time someone else make similar post like you died earlier, I will read and may ignore it.

Thanks for letting me know. I don't know what I would have done had I replied to you and wasn't sure if you ignored me or not. However, if you'd wish to avoid people doing that in the future, you can just not post things that aren't true.

 

[Walkinshaw]

I think GTSport is going where the market is headed. The whole e-sport thing.
But part of me will miss the car modding part. I liked takng a standard street car, adding wheels, exhaust, changing the ride height etc.
I think there is still a market for such a game. Maybe GT could follow the path of Forza and split the franchise. Have a seperate game with less race tracks / race cars and more street scapes / street cars, preferably open world. Lots of car modding options etc, vast options.

Kaz spoke of an open world game this before GT5 came out.

 

[FoRiZon]

I was having a strict rule where i will not post on GTSport threads at all. Then I think its not worth it and go with the flow anyways.

All I can say is that while I care very slightly, I'm not at all attached to GT nowadays. If PD can pull it off, good for them. If they (sorry) fully failed and cant recover at that point, sucks for them. I'm not particularly care anymore.

Sorry, I doubt they can pull off judging by all aspects: Fan reactions, competitors, development cycle, etc. Just, up your game PD.

 

[ScottPuss20]

I think GTSport is going where the market is headed. The whole e-sport thing.
But part of me will miss the car modding part. I liked takng a standard street car, adding wheels, exhaust, changing the ride height etc.
I think there is still a market for such a game. Maybe GT could follow the path of Forza and split the franchise. Have a seperate game with less race tracks / race cars and more street scapes / street cars, preferably open world. Lots of car modding options etc, vast options.

Kaz spoke of an open world game this before GT5 came out.

Well, we can easily say that certain aspects of the game will be missed, and I can't say that's a good thing. It means that the people who played GT for the tuning won't be able to goof off in 1000HP beasts, and have some fun in a virtual world where anything is possible. It's sad, but then again, some people want a focused motorsport game. I don't know where I stand because I like to goof off and race hard...

 

[dylpro]

I'll be completely honest I don't know all that much of the new upcoming game. I haven't really followed the news lately and haven't been an avid user here since my PS3 bit the dust. From the few things I've seen though I've got to say I'm a little disappointed. No more modding cars? I'll miss that. And somewhere there's a thread on an interview with Kaz about GTSport being a reboot of the series and that there won't be a GT7. And from what I've seen of GTSport it won't be very much the same, that's what disappoints me the most. I'll admit though, I'm a nostalgist. Gram Turismo used to be one of the very few games I would play on PS3.

After getting a PS4 I've branched out into more categories and as I get older I find myself enjoying other games more. I miss GT6, but I've been enjoying the Far Cry series as of late. GTA on PS4 has also been very enjoyable. Star Wars Battlefront also rekindled a childhood flame. Will I buy GTSport? Probably. But it'll likely end up as a game that sits in its case most of its life. Maybe it's too soon to say though and maybe I'm not giving it a chance. Like I said, I'm a nostalgist, so I'm already going in thinking of it negatively, as bad as I know that is.

 

[chengman]

Anyone think GTS will have a Harambe livery?

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

Anyone think GTS will have a Harambe livery?

If you're allowed to share liveries then it's almost a given.

 

[chengman]

If you're allowed to share liveries then it's almost a given.

Gorillas. Chimpanzees. Octugans. Baboons. Long ago, the four monkeys lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Zoo keeper attacked. Only Harambe, master of all four monkies, could stop them, but when the zoo needed him most, he vanished. A hundred years passed and my brother and I discovered the new Harambe, a gorilla named Winston. And although his gorilla skills are great, he has a lot to learn before he's ready to save the zoo. But I believe Winston can save the zoo.

 

[Samus]

It was expressed terribly but the (current) lack of older cars is certainly a valid criticism of the game. Telling someone to go play another game is not a valid response to that criticism.

There is currently nothing beyond 7 years old, there are only eight cars less than four years old, that is an extreme lack of variety so far.

 

[GTchicken]

I have to say, I think Polyphony is planning a Gran Turismo 7 with a huge variety of cars, huge variety of tracks, and huge variety of races. There is absolutely no way, Gran Turismo Sport is the game, we've all been waiting for. Gran Turismo Sport is a phenomenal game to kill time, but not to play long term. I want to progress in the races, buy news cars and upgrade them in the tune shop with turbo chargers. I definitely think Polyphony will release a fully featured Gran Turismo in the future.

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

I have to say, I think Polyphony is planning a Gran Turismo 7.

Just jumping in to say that they've specifically stated otherwise.

 

[GTchicken]

Just jumping in to say that they've specifically stated otherwise.

I think they will release a fully featured Gran Turismo 7 in the future, despite "saying otherwise". It is just unfathomable, with the way Gran Turismo Sport is currently, it is the game we all been waiting for. It lacks an enormous variety of cars, all the original tracks, and everything that makes Gran Turismo unique. I honestly think Gran Turismo Sport right now, is one of the most disappointing Gran Turismo games of all time.

To be clear, I don't hate Gran Turismo Sport, I just hate the fact it's missing so many things. Perhaps if Polyphony announced they will add the original tracks, a wider variety of cars like from the Toyota Yaris to the Toyota GT One, I would buy Gran Turismo Sport. Right now, I have to wait and see.

 

[Imari]

I think they will release a fully featured Gran Turismo 7 in the future, despite "saying otherwise". It is just unfathomable, with the way Gran Turismo Sport is currently, it is the game we all been waiting for. It lacks an enormous variety of cars, all the original tracks, and everything that makes Gran Turismo unique. I honestly think Gran Turismo Sport right now, is one of the most disappointing Gran Turismo games of all time.

They've been very, very clear that GTS is Gran Turismo 7.