The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread
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From the Fox News website:
Larry Hogan to Trump: 'Stop golfing and concede' the election
"Trump has given no indication that he plans to concede to Biden and instead is pursuing a number of legal challenges amid false claims of voter fraud. So far, Trump’s lawsuits have overwhelmingly been shot down in court. "
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/larry-hogan-trump-stop-golfing-concede-election
Larry Hogan to Trump: 'Stop golfing and concede' the election
"Trump has given no indication that he plans to concede to Biden and instead is pursuing a number of legal challenges amid false claims of voter fraud. So far, Trump’s lawsuits have overwhelmingly been shot down in court. "
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/larry-hogan-trump-stop-golfing-concede-election
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Probably until Trump rips off his mask to reveal that he was actually an Andy Kaufman character all along, created to deliver the ultimate provocation to the American people and to the world.
The timeline fits. Kaufman supposedly died in 1984, a few years later Trump published his first book. Both Kaufman and Trump have been into wrestling. They were both born in the 1940’s. Why haven’t we seen Trump’s tax returns? Perhaps because he is not a real person.
I know it’s not solid evidence, but at least it’s a stronger case than Trump’s claim about election fraud.
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Good question. The constitution provides not a word on presidents reluctant to leave the White House. So here we are on novel ground. Undoubtedly Joe with his amiable disposition, agile mind and quick wits will cope very well. The White House itself is obsolete. Something more like a palace or fortress is probably way overdue.
In terms of the Trump administration refusing cooperation/support of the incoming administration, it's simply a matter of monkey see, monkey do. Trump is merely recapitulating the same treatment he got on the way in.
In all, no worries, but salutary lessons in representative democracy.
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The two situations aren't even remotely comparable.
AP: Trump team making false argument about his 2016 transition
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That is the entire problem... the world isn't the way Trump sees it, and it's about time that his supporters and his enablers accepted this.
Also, as @UKMikey points out, comparing Trump's transition in 2016 to his behaviour in 2020 is close to an act of historical revisionism... there is no precedent or justification for Trump's current behaviour.
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Agreed. But Trump is still the lame duck President of the US for 8 more weeks, and the way he and his supporters see the world still matters for at least a while and likely much longer. He is the head of the Republican Party and a proven vote-getter which matters to elected politicians. In lieu of precedent, this loose cannon is in the act of establishing new ones. Those seeking power on all sides will be taking note. Woe betide the rest of us.
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I think you mean a proven popular vote loser who might have gotten away with it if he'd learned to keep his mouth shut. Now the Pugs are in danger of losing the Senate as well as the presidency and are cheating like mad to stay in power.
I had a peek at her Twitter feed and her supporters are claiming that this proves she's unbiased because she's not taking a paycheck and is "independent". That's how you know it's "true".
Then there's this...
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You know, in America we joke so much about Canadians being a bunch of hockey-playing, Molson chugging, Tim Horton's eating, apologizing for everything, nice people, but I often forget that the country probably has just as many whacked out people (in terms of percentages) as the US.
Also, I can't believe that person is even real. She looks faker than a Barbie doll in her picture.
**And another thing, why does she have one of the fake, Indian knock off Jeep things? That's the real question. Way to be pro-Canadian CanadianGirl99!
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I'd rather not b/c if this insane attempt at a coup actually succeeded, Trump would then argue, "They treated me so badly I deserve not only a third term, but maybe, life-time term?" to a sea of Trump supporters crying & peeing themselves with joy.
And best believe, I'll be headed down south if I hear them words.
Hola México, ¿tienes trabajos disponibles para un ilegal?
Ah yes, the old favorite Trump retort of, "He's playing chess while they're playing checkers", except the chess board looks like this.
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No! There are far less whacked out people in Canada than in the US (in terms of percentages). The Conservative party in Canada was named the Progressive Conservative party from 1942 to 2003 ... which tells you something about Canadian politics. I would say that the positions of the present Conservative party in Canada would probably be around the right wing of the Democrat Party & the left wing (RINOs) of the GOP. As in the US there is a strong urban/rural & regional split in voting patterns, with the suburbs being the deciding factor in elections.
One big difference: the number of Canadians who identify as evangelical Christians in Canada is around 5%, as opposed to 25% in the US ... and many Canadian evangelical churches have a more "progressive" historical background. Here's a Pew poll showing American Evangelicals opinions of Trump:
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At least those whacked out Trumpistas aren't in government... oh wait.
Perhaps I need to take a break from Twitter as I can slowly feel myself getting radicalised. Against people like this pair of Michigan canvassers, that is, as they appear to have dug their heels in, refusing to certify the election for Biden.
https://amp.freep.com/amp/6388235002
Perhaps I need to take a break from Twitter as I can slowly feel myself getting radicalised. Against people like this pair of Michigan canvassers, that is, as they appear to have dug their heels in, refusing to certify the election for Biden.
https://amp.freep.com/amp/6388235002
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Trump will NEVER concede and admit Biden beat him fair and square, we all know that right? Not now, not after the votes are certified, not at the inauguration, not afterwards.
Thankfully of course it doesn't matter and he'll be out there no matter what but he will absolutely maintain he won this until the day he dies. Guaranteed. He'll be doing "I won" rallies as soon as he can.
Thankfully of course it doesn't matter and he'll be out there no matter what but he will absolutely maintain he won this until the day he dies. Guaranteed. He'll be doing "I won" rallies as soon as he can.
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Unfortunately (to slip briefly into Dotinian cassandrism) should the GOP nominate another rabble-rousing demagogue as his successor he or she'd be almost certain to capitalise on this unfulfilled resentment in order to stoke their followers into a constitution-killing frenzy.
The resultant tiki torch and pitchfork-wielding mob would then have even less respect for the legitimacy of the election process and its time-honoured system of checks and balances than they currently do. Die große Lüge.
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Some Republican party members are complicit in a procedural coup attempt.At least those whacked out Trumpistas aren't in government... oh wait.
Perhaps I need to take a break from Twitter as I can slowly feel myself getting radicalised. Against people like this pair of Michigan canvassers, that is, as they appear to have dug their heels in, refusing to certify the election for Biden.
https://amp.freep.com/amp/6388235002
But here's my question (@Dotini might like this), how on earth did word get out that this coup would be attempted? They don't just happen by accident, certain people know what's going on, they develop a plan, and execute the plan. So how did all these other people become aware of the attempt and how were they organized, how was it planned, how did they communicate? If this wasn't planned then is it truly just a bunch of sore-losing morons just randomly choosing to be on the same team? Is it a coincidence that they all share the same beliefs in the same leader? There are a lot of gears in this machine attempting to turn the same direction for it to be a coincidence.
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Who knows what the heck this maniac is thinking. Considering the constant missteps of his legal team in the state of PA.
See here:
Or here:
They make it seem like Trump's team can't possibly be that inept. So I'm starting to wonder if they ALL understand he can't really win this in court, and even if there were a few procedural errors or false ballots, there is no way they stand any chance of having the decision overturned. Biden won by such an overwhelming margin.
So he's just continuing this ridiculous charade, because that's literally what Trump has done his ENTIRE life. When he was at the losing end of a deal: sue. When he couldn't get ahead: sue. When the walls were closing in: sue. When anything and everything wasn't going his way, sue, sue and sue some more. So much for the great businessman all his supporters thought he was.
And he knows he can't win. So he's just trying to drag it out so that he can claim to his base for the rest of his life that he was the true winner and the courts screwed him and it was all a set-up by the corrupt powers and the deep state. And it's just more fuel for the fire to keep his base riled up and so that he can proceed with his media platform plans. Just from what I see on Twitter and from some of my friends showing screen shots of what they see on Parler, he still has a HUGE base of lunatics who are fully convinced that Trump really won and it's only a matter of time before he overturns the election and he'll be declared the winner.
It's also the reason why I think few Republican lawmakers have dared make a public statement, because they know many of their constituents still support him. And if they speak out against him, they're going to have a hard time being reelected.
See here:
Or here:
They make it seem like Trump's team can't possibly be that inept. So I'm starting to wonder if they ALL understand he can't really win this in court, and even if there were a few procedural errors or false ballots, there is no way they stand any chance of having the decision overturned. Biden won by such an overwhelming margin.
So he's just continuing this ridiculous charade, because that's literally what Trump has done his ENTIRE life. When he was at the losing end of a deal: sue. When he couldn't get ahead: sue. When the walls were closing in: sue. When anything and everything wasn't going his way, sue, sue and sue some more. So much for the great businessman all his supporters thought he was.
And he knows he can't win. So he's just trying to drag it out so that he can claim to his base for the rest of his life that he was the true winner and the courts screwed him and it was all a set-up by the corrupt powers and the deep state. And it's just more fuel for the fire to keep his base riled up and so that he can proceed with his media platform plans. Just from what I see on Twitter and from some of my friends showing screen shots of what they see on Parler, he still has a HUGE base of lunatics who are fully convinced that Trump really won and it's only a matter of time before he overturns the election and he'll be declared the winner.
It's also the reason why I think few Republican lawmakers have dared make a public statement, because they know many of their constituents still support him. And if they speak out against him, they're going to have a hard time being reelected.
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I have to assume they're morally corrupt lawyers who just want to cash in huge on this case. They're going to lose but they're getting paid massively. And because they're lawyers, they believe their careers will be safe because of whatever oaths lawyers take - for example criminal defense lawyers defending obviously guilty clients. But this circus has be questioning when and how lawyers are actually punishable for whatever type of misconduct this seems like it should qualify as. At minimum their wasting multiple courts' time with very high level and very frivolous lawsuits. Frivolous lawsuits get tossed all the time but they're usually over pocket change, not the moral foundation of government.
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He only wants you to think he's losing to lull libs into a false sense of security until... BAM! It's gonna be biblical.
I'm not sure how they expect to be able to try the PA case in front of Judge Brann again. Didn't he dismiss it with prejudice? Maybe they're going to take Brann to court and sue him.
I'm glad I'm not paying for this. The prevailing wisdom on that thread seems to be that this is legal make-work designed to make loyal fund contributors think they are still fighting to overturn the election. A litigatory Ponzi/pyramid scheme.
I'm not sure how they expect to be able to try the PA case in front of Judge Brann again. Didn't he dismiss it with prejudice? Maybe they're going to take Brann to court and sue him.I'm glad I'm not paying for this. The prevailing wisdom on that thread seems to be that this is legal make-work designed to make loyal fund contributors think they are still fighting to overturn the election. A litigatory Ponzi/pyramid scheme.
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I agree. Hence the reason he's trying to make himself into a martyr. Under false pretenses, naturally, but that's how he got the job in the first place so none of us should be surprised at his current tactics. He'll forever be the poor guy who was "wronged" by the deep state conspiracy. And he'll make sure to keep repeating it as often as possible.
That said, I think the fact that he lost the election has already robbed him of a lot of support. I think a generous portion of his base simply gave up on him already because they've accepted that he lost (right OR wrong) and he doesn't have the power he did. And if he does end up in serious legal trouble, which is looking increasingly likely, more and more of that base will erode. There will ALWAYS be some people who will stick with him no matter what. But I"m hoping it's riding a long bumpy road to obscurity.
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