The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread
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Strickland eh
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...one-should-cut-head-off-democrats/6361521002/
Giuliani appears to be advocating for murdering democrat leaders. I'm pretty sure this is a crime. Even if it wasn't meant literally, it may be gross negligence given the current context.
Law and order folks.
Giuliani appears to be advocating for murdering democrat leaders. I'm pretty sure this is a crime. Even if it wasn't meant literally, it may be gross negligence given the current context.
Law and order folks.
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Well, Buck was a real piece of work since he cared more about money & less about his employees. It literally took Hank to pull his head out of his ass.
Buck fits a perfect Trump supporter.
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Listening to NPR this evening, they had a Presidential historian on who offered the opinion that there was no precedent in US history for what President Trump was attempting to do in overturning the will of American voters. The closest thing he could come up with was the disputed election of 1876, which I was not familiar with. Another fascinating event from US history, once again revolving around the issue of race.
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The Compromise of 1877 was an unwritten deal, informally arranged among U.S. Congressmen, that settled the intensely disputed 1876 presidential election. It resulted in the United States federal government pulling the last troops out of the South, and ending the Reconstruction Era. Through the Compromise, Republican Rutherford B. Hayes was awarded the White House over Democrat Samuel J. Tilden on the understanding that Hayes would remove the federal troops whose support was essential for the survival of Republican state governments in South Carolina, Florida and Louisiana. Under the compromise, Democrats who controlled the House of Representatives allowed the decision of the Electoral Commission to take effect. The outgoing president, Republican Ulysses S. Grant, removed the soldiers from Florida. As president, Hayes removed the remaining troops from South Carolina and Louisiana. As soon as the troops left, many white Republicans also left, and the "Redeemer" Democrats, who already dominated other state governments in the South, took control. The exact terms of the agreement are somewhat contested as the documentation is insufficient.
Black Republicans felt betrayed as they lost power and were subject to discrimination and harassment to suppress their voting. By 1905, nearly all black men were effectively disenfranchised by state legislatures in every Southern state
From Wikipedia:
The Compromise of 1877 was an unwritten deal, informally arranged among U.S. Congressmen, that settled the intensely disputed 1876 presidential election. It resulted in the United States federal government pulling the last troops out of the South, and ending the Reconstruction Era. Through the Compromise, Republican Rutherford B. Hayes was awarded the White House over Democrat Samuel J. Tilden on the understanding that Hayes would remove the federal troops whose support was essential for the survival of Republican state governments in South Carolina, Florida and Louisiana. Under the compromise, Democrats who controlled the House of Representatives allowed the decision of the Electoral Commission to take effect. The outgoing president, Republican Ulysses S. Grant, removed the soldiers from Florida. As president, Hayes removed the remaining troops from South Carolina and Louisiana. As soon as the troops left, many white Republicans also left, and the "Redeemer" Democrats, who already dominated other state governments in the South, took control. The exact terms of the agreement are somewhat contested as the documentation is insufficient.
Black Republicans felt betrayed as they lost power and were subject to discrimination and harassment to suppress their voting. By 1905, nearly all black men were effectively disenfranchised by state legislatures in every Southern state
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Not awesome that the closest example is a holdover of the civil war.
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I will say that America has long suspected that someone would try this, and the government was set up to prevent exactly this. So far, it seems to be working. We're currently living through the main fear that was in the minds of the people who initially penned our government.
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OK sure ... but do you think the Founders pictured a prospective tyrant who actually had a huge amount of popular support? It's that part of the present situation, highlighted by the reported statements of rank-&-file Republicans, that is so disturbing. What's next on Trump's agenda, the burning of the Capitol building by "communists"?
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I think they pictured slightly more effective threat, actually, which is someone who seizes control and loyalty of the (a) military. Y'all Qaeda is not as concerning to me as the military, which he has actively avoided courting.
As has been said many times, if he were smarter, this would be way more effective.
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That was the reference.
Yes - I have a feeling the "popular vote" may not have been a significant part of their calculation anyway, as it was a fairly novel concept ... & not one they really embraced clearly.
What seems to be entirely missing in US politics is a sense of recognition of the relative nature of a popular mandate. It's become warfare between two diametrically opposed sides. The checks & balances are not proving to be sufficient to maintain the peace. In Canada, when the Liberals - or Conservatives - win an election they don't govern as though the other party - & the people who voted for them - shouldn't have any voice. Countries with proportional representation have inherently a more compromising approach to governing.
Trump has pushed the confrontational approach to a whole new level.
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Talked to my folks again today. Apparently the "ballots" they got mailed weren't from the county or state but some unknown third party. They left that bit out the other day. If they were correct that those were actually trying to appear to be real ballots than something quite fishy was going on but who knows to what end. Was it republican supporters trying to get early-voting democrats to cast fake ballots that wouldn't count... or was it democrat supporters trying to convince people in an 80% republican area to mail fake ballots instead of going to the polls on election day... or was it alien lizard people trying to muck everything up and just watch the world burn?
They do however still seem to live in a dream world where there's just as many on the left who hate masks and didn't vote early as on the right, and where Trump told everyone to wear masks and respect all the required restrictions to stay safe from COVID. Not much I can do about that.
They do however still seem to live in a dream world where there's just as many on the left who hate masks and didn't vote early as on the right, and where Trump told everyone to wear masks and respect all the required restrictions to stay safe from COVID. Not much I can do about that.
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Can the DHS just build a fake White House and put Trump in there and let him pretend? He can have all the McDonald's he wants and Twitter just mutes his account so he can post in perpetuity with nobody reading.
This literally worked with Antonio Salazar; he was replaced as dictatorial Crime Minister of Portugal in 1968 when it was thought that he was going to die. He ended up surviving but nobody told him that he'd been replaced and he spent the last two years of his life confined to his palace, signing the occasional fake document.
This literally worked with Antonio Salazar; he was replaced as dictatorial Crime Minister of Portugal in 1968 when it was thought that he was going to die. He ended up surviving but nobody told him that he'd been replaced and he spent the last two years of his life confined to his palace, signing the occasional fake document.
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