So we've reached the snide remarks portion of the evening then?
AOC ran on a progressive platform and progressive voted her in and supported her only for her to turn her back on them. She promised to promote things like Medicare for all and had a really good chance to force the issue only for her to blow it. Now she probably won't get that chance again and I can't see progressive supporting her again because they feel betrayed. I'm not progressive so I'm only going on what I'm seeing from those who are. I have a former teacher as a friend on Facebook who's very involved with progressive candidates and writes for a prominent progressive website, she traveled to help AOC campaign and was very, very supportive of her. Her most recent post says AOC is dead to her now. I feel like that's pretty telling.
You do know I know more people outside of Utah than inside Utah right? A vast majority of people I know live in Michigan and almost everyone I'd talk politics with lives there too. I know Trump supporters and I know people who are lightweight socialists. Everyone I've asked and who gave me an answer on why they voted for Trump came down to they thought he was better for the stock market or that he simply wasn't Biden. It's not that they even own stocks either, it's that they're under the impression (like many people are) that the stock market is an indicator of the economy, which it isn't. If I were to ask anyone in Utah why they voted for Trump, the answer would almost certainly revolve around abortion. I only know a handful of people here though that I would have those discussions and not one of them said they voted for Trump. I have no idea if that's true or not, but it seems like it would be a weird thing to lie about.
It's not "pretty telling" at all because Democrats in general & even AOC in particular, have to rely on a whole range of support in order to enjoy any success in elections. I would think that's self-evident.
More telling is this fascinating nugget from Fox:
GOP group targets 21 vulnerable House Dems who helped Pelosi win speakership
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/the-2022-battle-for-the-house-is-already-underway
"On the heels of Democrats’ vote to re-elect Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the House, the GOP Congressional Leadership Fund launched a five-figure advertising campaign in 21 districts targeting vulnerable Democrats who helped Nancy Pelosi become Speaker for another term.
"When liberals like Pelosi push their radical agenda, we know who to blame," the narrator in the spots says.
Every lawmaker who supported Nancy Pelosi either by name or by cowardly hiding behind a vote of ‘present’ is directly responsible for enabling Pelosi and all of her dangerous agenda," leadership fund President Dan Conston said. Conston predicted that "Democrats will spend the next 24 months of their short-lived majority explaining why they sold out to Nancy Pelosi and the socialist left."
These are Democrats who are vulnerable, not because they've abandoned a progressive agenda, but because they support Nancy Pelosi's "radical agenda".
We've gone off on a weirdly contradictory tangent here. You seem to be implying that all politicians are scumbags willing to abandon their principles ... &
that's what the problem is. And, strangely, you're using AOC to demonstrate this. What you're saying makes no sense at all. I have no idea what AOC's internal thought process is, but I'm going to guess that having entered the
actual political arena - as opposed to libertarians who only ever stand on the outside critiquing ... not unlike radical leftists ... AOC might now be considering the real world strategies necessary to actually advance a progressive agenda, rather than just indulging in virtue signalling like so much of the radical left.
I don't know Utah at all. I do know a lot of "progressives" in Michigan, however. I can't speak to what all Trump voters think, and I'm sure there a fair number who think that Trump's leadership is responsible for the high stock market, but having spent a lot of time (too much really) exploring the opinions & comments on Fox News's website, I really don't think that's the major factor behind Trump's appeal for the majority of his voters.