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GTPlanet Exit Poll - Which Presidential Ticket Did You Vote For?

  • Trump/Pence

    Votes: 16 27.1%
  • Biden/Harris

    Votes: 20 33.9%
  • Jorgensen/Cohen

    Votes: 7 11.9%
  • Hawkins/Walker

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • La Riva/Freeman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • De La Fuente/Richardson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Blankenship/Mohr

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Carroll/Patel

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Simmons/Roze

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Charles/Wallace

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 15 25.4%

  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .
I’m sure the armed forces are capable of defending the country without the help of the president. Perhaps even better without him.
Not when the people in charge of it were installed by him.
 
Sure I get that, but why him and now his family over plenty of others in his ilk? Not that I want them to find it, but surely there must be a better version of Trump to latch onto, rather than hoping the Trump dynasty continues? I don't remember Trump ever being wildly popular generally pre-2015, but I'm not American, so maybe I just didn't see it.

I wish I could find the quote, because it might have been said here. Basically, a lot of Americans (and Canadians too, FWIW) believe they’re one lucky break away from being millionaires. They see some warped view of the “American Dream” in Trump, regardless of the hand-outs it took to get him where he is, and they want that. They see him as representative of that opportunity for themselves, that he’s just like them, and the xenophobia he spouts is so effective because they see others as those that will take away their chance at being rich and powerful.

It’s “🤬 you, I got mine” in political form.
 
I’m sure the armed forces are capable of defending the country without the help of the president. Perhaps even better without him.
Isn't there supposed to be a commander in chief who has been elected by the people? If the current one is unfit for the job then somebody else who has been elected should be in charge.
If the VP won't do it, does that make him also unfit for his office? Is it politics that's stopping the speaker from taking over?
 
Another day, another "traitor."




Yeah, and I have no sympathy. Graham deserves it all and more. But I suspect half of those tools all screaming "Traitor" are waiting for flights to return home to wherever. And at least some of them were walking around inside the Capitol. And very likely, they're going to be arrested soon.

Like uh, THIS guy...

 
Isn't there supposed to be a commander in chief who has been elected by the people? If the current one is unfit for the job then somebody else who has been elected should be in charge.
If the VP won't do it, does that make him also unfit for his office? Is it politics that's stopping the speaker from taking over?

It's a really long and complicated process to remove someone from office and for good reason. It needs to be difficult because otherwise, you'd see people getting booted left and right for things that aren't a bootable offense.
 
It's a really long and complicated process to remove someone from office and for good reason. It needs to be difficult because otherwise, you'd see people getting booted left and right for things that aren't a bootable offense.
I agree with that but I think we've seen bootable offenses from at least the president.
 



I wish I could find the quote, because it might have been said here. Basically, a lot of Americans (and Canadians too, FWIW) believe they’re one lucky break away from being millionaires.
I think you’re looking for this quote: “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” It’s a misattribution of John Steinbeck. In 1960 he wrote an article in Esquire magazine about life in the US in the 1930s.

What he said was: "Except for the field organizers of strikes, who were pretty tough monkeys and devoted, most of the so-called Communists I met were middle-class, middle-aged people playing a game of dreams. I remember a woman in easy circumstances saying to another even more affluent: 'After the revolution even we will have more, won't we, dear?' Then there was another lover of proletarians who used to raise hell with Sunday picknickers on her property. I guess the trouble was that we didn't have any self-admitted proletarians. Everyone was a temporarily embarrassed capitalist. Maybe the Communists so closely questioned by the investigation committees were a danger to America, but the ones I knew — at least they claimed to be Communists — couldn't have disrupted a Sunday-school picnic. Besides they were too busy fighting among themselves." (Emphasis added.)

Ronald Wright in his 2004 book “The History of Progress” paraphrased it as the quote above, and people have been attributing the paraphrase to Steinbeck ever since.

Edit: treed by the much more succinct @Liquid.
 
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Yeah, and I have no sympathy. Graham deserves it all and more. But I suspect half of those tools all screaming "Traitor" are waiting for flights to return home to wherever. And at least some of them were walking around inside the Capitol. And very likely, they're going to be arrested soon.

Like uh, THIS guy...



Still mind boggling that these guys were initially able to just.....walk out of the place and go home.

As I understand it most of the arrests came later, and only for breaking curfew. The terrorists who actually entered the place looking for senators to arrest and/or murder, desecrating the place, strutted out.
 
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Still mind boggling that these guys were initially able to just.....walk out of the place and go home.

As I understand it most of the arrests came later, and only for breaking curfew. The terrorists who actually entered the place looking for senators to arrest and/or murder, desecrating the place, strutted out.

I agree. But this is partially to do with what I posted earlier before I apparently became distracted by chickens. The Capitol police were severely understaffed and unprepared and help didn't come soon enough. One thing about the government, and I'm not making a judgement, good or bad, but it takes a while for it to get moving. But once the wheels of justice start turning they usually keep going. It will take a while but most of those responsible will eventually be taken into custody and charged.
 
Still mind boggling that these guys were initially able to just.....walk out of the place and go home.

As I understand it most of the arrests came later, and only for breaking curfew. The terrorists who actually entered the place looking for senators to arrest and/or murder, desecrating the place, strutted out.

I suspect federal authorities knew they had ample evidence to identify and later arrest the insurrectionists and wanted to avoid further violence in the Capitol.
 
Yeah, and I have no sympathy. Graham deserves it all and more.
He's spent years courting the delusional for political gain, specifically because their delusions made it easy to court them. But it turns out that their delusions also make them unstable and they didn't hesitate to turn on him, in no small part because his pivot to Trump in the first place was just as obvious as his recent pivot away.

Lindsey Graham: *sow, sow, sow* "This sowing stuff is fun."

Also Lindsey Graham: "Awww maaaaann, now it's time to reap."
 
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Forbes has provided some info on the five civilians who died during the protest.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemima...he-five-people-who-died-amid-pro-trump-riots/

So George Floyd is killed by police and the media highlights all his criminal activities. However, when Ashli Babbit is killed by police the media highlights her service in the Air Force and not that she'd been arrest for destruction of property in the past and had at least three restraining orders. Oh and you know, actively breaching a secure area of the US government for a man who doesn't care about her or understand the Constitution that she vowed to defend as a veteran.
 
This is a photo of Greeson apparently. If so, yikes

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