The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread

[Joey D]

As far as I know he made one such comment, but perhaps he does have a history of making racist comments like that, I don’t know.

And I think it’s an important distinction to make, if you are a racist because you once or twice said or did something racist because of ignorance or by mistake, or if you are a racist because you believe in a racially segregated world and you purposely do or say racist things in order to achieve that goal.

If you’re a racist by mistake or by ignorance, you can learn and improve and hopefully it won’t happen again.

If you’re a racist by belief, then the likelihood that you will improve is small. It would probably require some overwhelming experience before you change your mind and your behaviour.

So while it was a racist thing to say, it needs to be analysed in a wider context. Otherwise we end up in a scenario where anyone who runs for president is a racist, and then we won’t see the difference between a Hitler and someone who just didn’t think his response through properly.

He has a pretty checkered history of making racist gaffs though, this being my favorite one before his more recent outburst. If it's behind a paywall or something, the gist of it is that during a rally hosted by the Asian & Latino Coalition in Des Moines, Iowa he said the following: “We have this notion that somehow if you’re poor, you cannot do it. Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.”

Yes, poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids.

He also had a sketchy start to his Senate career with his uncanny ability to work with segregationist Senators from the south. He claims it was to "get things done", but if your preaching that you were a champion of the Civil Rights Movement why on earth would you even give those people the time of day? One of these people was James Eastland, a Democrat from Mississippi, who held the belief that blacks were an "inferior race". I get it was the 1970's, but holy hell, imagine trying to promote your ability to work with people and using that as an example.

There are plenty of other videos on YouTube of his gaffs. I won't post them because they're often accompanied by sketchy side commentary that may or may not be AUP friendly.

I fully believe Biden is a racist in the way that many older, white people in America are racist. Are they a product of their time? Sure, I have no doubt about that. It doesn't really excuse the behavior though. Has Trump said things that are more racist? Absolutely. It's 2020 though, at this point we shouldn't be accepting of anyone that says this kind of stuff, especially people running the country. But, unfortunately, many Americans are totally ok with this or choose to look the other way.

 

[Sander 001]

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[CTznOfTime]

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It's amazing to me that even now that he IS the government, he can't even still trust the government...

If he can't even trust the government, how can any of us trust our government, and even less him...

What a naughty and destructive prez he is...

His own vision of his environment is his own self reflection .... Any good respectable psychiatric or psychologist will tell you that...

Playing childish games with people's lives... And so petty.




I called my dad yesterday to check on him and get some new out of France. My parents live there.

I love my dad, he has dedicated and sacrificed his life to make our lives his children better, despite the fact that we grew up poor and pretty much mainly depending on one income. My mom would take care of us at home.

But out of the blue yesterday, and since he cannot vote, he has requested that at the next election I would vote on his behalf, and told me to vote for trump.

Ahah, i appreciate his honesty, but I was very surprised that he felt that way about trump.
Really??! I asked him, why do you like trump so much...
My dad couldn't give me a good answer but told me that despite all the negatives press trump is receiving, my dad says trump is accomplishing a lot....

I totally don't see eye to eye with my dad at that Instant...I am even confused still.

I just don't understand what people like my dad sees in trump that I simply with good conscience can see...

It's very weird this feeling of not agreeing with my dad, because he always has been this practical man who has taught me all the good things and how to be a good person... And for him to be pro-trump, I am definitely confused about how he could come to that conclusion.

I just cannot vote for trump... He has been a nightmare for these past 4 years....

 

[DesertPenguin]

my dad says trump is accomplishing a lot....

Did you ask him to elaborate?

 

[CTznOfTime]

Did you ask him to elaborate?

I did... With me questioning him, I could sense that he believe in trump and that he has a positive view on trump...
He didn't really answer me, but instead asked me a question in return: why do I see trump in such a negative view...

I just didn't want to start a fight with my dad over the phone across ocean and continents because of trump, so I didn't push the discussion further...

My dad is just an example.
But the point is, I just cannot understand all of the people who are pro trump... What am I not seeing, that they are seeing ?

 

[DesertPenguin]

Without trying to cause too much controversy, I would tell him that answering a question with a question is deflection and ask to have a civil, logical discussion on the matter, and to properly answer the original question of providing examples. If he's anything like my dad, doing this will only make things worse

 

[ryzno]

As far as I know he made one such comment, but perhaps he does have a history of making racist comments like that, I don’t know.

He was at something with a bunch of black kids around, and talked about how the kids would play with his leg hairs and then somehow brought something up about cockroaches.
I'm still trying to figure out who his friend Popcorn is and why he's a bad dude...

 

[Joey D]

kids would play with his leg hairs

Ok, I really hope that's when he was a kid because otherwise, that might just be the weirdest thing I've heard about him.

 

[ryzno]

Ok, I really hope that's when he was a kid because otherwise, that might just be the weirdest thing I've heard about him.

He seemed he was talking about as a kid. Still wired to point out IMO. Then to follow up with a comment about roaches...

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Ok, I really hope that's when he was a kid because otherwise, that might just be the weirdest thing I've heard about him.

I believe he was talking about when he was a lifeguard at the pool. It was also at this appearance that he spoke about the bad dude, Corn Pop.

 

[ryzno]

I believe he was talking about when he was a lifeguard at the pool. It was also at this appearance that he spoke about the bad dude, Corn Pop.

Thanks! To much to remember...

 

[Sander 001]

He's clearly racist since he makes comments like "if you don't support me over Trump then you ain't black" to a black journalist

 

[Joey D]

So I need to sit this one out because one guy on Twitter says so? Nah, I'll pass, especially with previous comments like "poor kids are just as smart and talented as white kids."

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Racism is a spectrum, and IMO, should be treated as such.

I'd say Biden is a low grade, well-meaning racist, but one nonetheless. He probably means no harm, but that doesn't mean he doesn't cause it.

 

[CTznOfTime]

So I need to sit this one out because one guy on Twitter says so? Nah, I'll pass, especially with previous comments like "poor kids are just as smart and talented as white kids."

What he meant is that he is addressing to his peeps, the discussion, although open and transparent on purpose for all to see, but the discussion is only for his peeps to communicate.

The rest of us will just be bystanders.

What about Asians? What do we do?

 

[Sander 001]

So I need to sit this one out because one guy on Twitter says so? Nah, I'll pass, especially with previous comments like "poor kids are just as smart and talented as white kids."

Yeah keep white knighting but keep in mind things like Trump demanding the execution of 5 innocent black teens by taking out full page ads in the NYT.

 

[Joey D]

Yeah keep white knighting but keep in mind things like Trump demanding the execution of 5 innocent black teens by taking out full page ads in the NYT.

You know white knighting has to do with defending someone right? I'm not defending anyone, I'm doing the exact opposite in fact and lambasting Biden.

And I think I've made it abundantly clear that I think Trump is a racist too.

 

[Sander 001]

You know white knighting has to do with defending someone right? I'm not defending anyone, I'm doing the exact opposite in fact and lambasting Biden.

And I think I've made it abundantly clear that I think Trump is a racist too.

Are you going so far as to say Biden is the lesser of two evils?

 

[Joey D]

Are you going so far as to say Biden is the lesser of two evils?

No, they're both evil and neither of them should be in office. I don't believe in the lesser of two evils when it comes to politicians, you're either a good candidate or a bad one. There can be multiple good and multiple bad candidates. I'd assume just not vote then vote for a bad one.

 

[polysmut]

That tells me the validity of my opinion is dependent on the colour of my skin.

 

[PeterJB]

Interesting how many excuses there are when Biden does and says basically the same stuff as Trump.

 

[Danoff]

Interesting how many excuses there are when Biden does and says basically the same stuff as Trump.

I completely take your point but... nobody says the same stuff as Trump. He's... a unique individual.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Interesting how many excuses there are when Biden does and says basically the same stuff as Trump.

Not even close dude...

 

[CTznOfTime]

Trump will hold a Juneteenth Tulsa rally
The campaign event promises to be a celebration but critics say it's anti-black, taking place at the site of the 1921 Tulsa race massacre on a day that represents ...
Vox.com3 hours ago


Trump reschedules Tulsa rally 'out of respect' for Juneteenth
Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump announced late Friday night that he is rescheduling a rally that was to be held on June 19 -- Juneteenth, the holiday ...
CNNYesterday


The most racist president in modern history revels in violence
Scheduling his upcoming rally on Juneteenth in Tulsa is just the latest in a racist pattern.
The Washington Post1 hour agoOpinion


‘If you want a mask at a Trump rally, just go ahead and become a Democrat, you weenie’ | Opinion
Carl Hiaasen provides a question-and-answer primer on why protective masks will be banned at Trump campaign rallies. It's because it will remind everybody of ...

Trump's Tulsa Rally Is Just More Racist Trolling
A racist president trolls his enemies with a rally on Juneteenth.
The New York TimesYesterdayOpinion










Those are the headlines i have seen this morning....
Now the questions are:

Are the headlines fake?
Are the headlines just twisting the facts to sound very liberal?
If these are real, is trump really forcing people to NOT wear a mask?
That's crazy! but very much in line with their philosophy: "Better Dead than being a Democrat"...

That's ridiculous...

I am currently not a republican, but i can see myself being a republican if the value changes, why are these people so focused on the name rather than the content.... (well i understand the name represent entirely the content, but aren't they not aware that the content can change over time or are these people still living in the 1800s?)


boggles the mind....

 

[DesertPenguin]

He is definitely having people agree to not sue/have him be liable if they get COVID-19 at his rallies. And they'll still go because blindly follow always ended well...

 

[TenEightyOne]

Trump will hold a Juneteenth Tulsa rally
The campaign event promises to be a celebration but critics say it's anti-black, taking place at the site of the 1921 Tulsa race massacre on a day that represents ...
Vox.com3 hours ago

Trump reschedules Tulsa rally 'out of respect' for Juneteenth
Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump announced late Friday night that he is rescheduling a rally that was to be held on June 19 -- Juneteenth, the holiday ...
CNNYesterday

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Are the headlines fake?
Are the headlines just twisting the facts to sound very liberal?

I think Trump is a racist. I think he's unconsciously racist and, when it suits him, consciously racist.

However... and I can't believe I'm sticking up for him... I suspect his security people have been pushing to avoid a Juneteenth rally. It just has to be Trump's idea when he announces it and he's got to make political capital doing so. As for "taking place at the site", as far as I'm aware the rally isn't taking place on the site, rather in the same city. There are a number of cities where politicians of all types make speeches that have seen shameful racist violence, and that's not a phenomenon limited to the US by any means.

I think the headline writers have over-reached themselves a little this time and bring themselves discredit by doing so.

 

[DesertPenguin]

The Tulsa Riots were a major issue. Not just another "this city had shameful history". It's quite a big deal. It doesn't matter that it's not the exact site in the city.

 

[CTznOfTime]

The Tulsa Riots were a major issue. Not just another "this city had shameful history". It's quite a big deal. It doesn't matter that it's not the exact site in the city.

... within the same time frame... during a similar time of civil unrest...

As usual, trump just want to grab.... the headlines... and give the liberal to uproar, which is material that will feed trump's supporters and the vicious destructive bi-partisan cycle...

 

[TenEightyOne]

The Tulsa Riots were a major issue. Not just another "this city had shameful history".

They were indeed, I didn't intend to downplay them and I apologise if anybody thought that I did.

However, whatever the history of a city... a country doesn't move forward if politicians don't speak there. None of that means (as I hope was clear) that I think Trump isn't a racist, I just feel that there are better, more legitimate ways to attack him than speaking in places like Tulsa, Chicago, LA, Newark, Atlanta, St. Louis, London, Berlin, and so on.

 

[Biggles]

Jon Bolton. Latest "Never Trumper" to emerge from Trump's administration.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53086042

I think I'm starting to see a pattern here ...