The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

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I think homosexuality is:

  • a problem that needs to be cured.

    Votes: 88 6.0%
  • a sin against God/Nature.

    Votes: 145 9.8%
  • OK as long as they don't talk about it.

    Votes: 62 4.2%
  • OK for anybody.

    Votes: 416 28.2%
  • nobody's business but the people involved.

    Votes: 765 51.8%

  • Total voters
    1,476
So you believe that in today's society, pro-gay groups and activists are a bit too aggressive in their campaign? I mean, its almost forced upon people these days to accept homosexuality, even if they aren't homophobic, causing discomfort.
 
There was a huge debate at our school when the Gay-Straight alliance complained at about how a Valentines day activity wasn't homo-friendly. On the 13th, guys got bracelets and gave them to girls, and the person who gathered the most won a prize. On the 14th, it was the same except the girls got the bracelets. The "GSA" started complaining on and on about it...

Well that quite depends. Was it exclusively these rules? For example if a girl had requested bracelets and given them to other girls, would this have been allowed? I'm guessing no, if those are the rules that you've specified.

That in essence would be discriminating a group of people from attending and taking part in a social event.

Also see below.

So how is it that homosexual pride and parades are okay, but whenever straight people do something such as a Valentines day activity, they get bombarded on?

Because every bloody day of the year is a straight pride day. You can't exclude any group of people (imagine if it was 'Valentines Day Party ps no blacks') and not expect repercussions.
 
What do you guys think of Straight Pride?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_pride

So how is it that homosexual pride and parades are okay, but whenever straight people do something such as a Valentines day activity, they get bombarded on?

There are a few sides to this.

One is that straight pride types are usually a bit backward, and don't understand the irony that a sexuality which isn't persecuted or denied rights that other sexualities enjoy doesn't need to advertise the fact with a big rally.

The next is that gay pride rallies tend to be fairly open to anyone - if you're straight it doesn't really matter, you can go along and have fun. The attitude of those on a straight pride rally, on the other hand, tends to be a bit more anti-homosexual. Gay bars don't have signs on the door saying "no straight people" (that I've seen. And no, I'm not a regular), but you can bet there are a few bars about where gay people aren't welcome. These rallies are the same.

If Straight Pride rallies are "bombarded on", it's usually because they're done on behalf of ignorant types who believe that gay people are somehow getting preferential treatment for being gay. Rather than celebrating their sexuality in a society which often frowns upon it.

A Valentines day activity isn't a "straight" thing. It's about the people you love, and that's pretty much independent of sexuality. If people are treating Valentines day as an exclusively straight activity and getting annoyed that gay people don't like it, then it's because they're idiots and should probably open the floor to other sexualities.
 
So you believe that in today's society, pro-gay groups and activists are a bit too aggressive in their campaign? I mean, its almost forced upon people these days to accept homosexuality, even if they aren't homophobic, causing discomfort.

We also have to force that Muslims aren't all terrorists on people as well, but you aren't complaining about that. Well, I mean, some are, but you'd just say they are ignorant/racist.

See how it works?

You have to push issues in front of most people or they will never, ever, think about them.
 
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I find it interesting that people associate the word homo with the same stigma as faggot, poof or queer. Homo just means 'same' in Greek, as in homogenous or homologation.
 
I find it interesting that people associate the word homo with the same stigma as faggot, poof or queer. Homo just means 'same' in Greek, as in homogenous or homologation.

I think you may be overestimating most people... just a wee bit.
 
Could be a regional thing. 'Homo' is used as an insult quite a lot where I live.

It was here for a long time as well.

What I am saying is people's understanding of language or how limited the average vocabulary actually is.
 
On straight pride, it just reminds of the morons who go off every February saying "why isn't there a White history month?". It just seems really backwards to me, and to suggest that gays demanding equality is somehow "special treatment" is beyond absurd. It's privilege goggles, straight people often don't realize the ways they push their "straight" agenda every day.

Basically, it's rather ridiculous. Gay people don't have thousands of years of oppressing straight people. Cody was right on the money too, what if a group went off about Christian pride because they're tired of shoving it in everyone's face that being Muslim is ok?
 
Regarding "straight pride" events:

Why do they always just sound like a way to make the less popular kids stand out to be made fun of? Collecting the most bracelets to win a prize? More like a slut pride activity.

Lets be honest, it's just a popularity contest. The girl with the most is the prettiest or sluttiest and the one with the least is made fun of. These are not the kinds of things mature adults do.


As for actual pride parades or rallies; they usually take place during the work week. Most of the people who attend them really aren't in a position to be proud. Either they are too young to justify their pride yet or they have managed to live a life without having much responsibility. Put these things on a Saturday afternoon and make it kid friendly and then I might believe you have something to be proud of, other than your willingness to fight for your cause.
 
As for actual pride parades or rallies; they usually take place during the work week. Most of the people who attend them really aren't in a position to be proud. Either they are too young to justify their pride yet or they have managed to live a life without having much responsibility. Put these things on a Saturday afternoon and make it kid friendly and then I might believe you have something to be proud of, other than your willingness to fight for your cause.

Judging much? Can almost feel the Ron Swanson being channeled here.

A lot of people don't work an 8-5, M-F shift, and a lot more can certainly get a day off during the week if they are successful as well. Then you look at the much more flexible nature of working in the tech industry, which is heavy in cities like Seattle and San Francisco, and you're really just starting to make assumptions.
 
As for actual pride parades or rallies; they usually take place during the work week. Most of the people who attend them really aren't in a position to be proud. Either they are too young to justify their pride yet or they have managed to live a life without having much responsibility. Put these things on a Saturday afternoon and make it kid friendly and then I might believe you have something to be proud of, other than your willingness to fight for your cause.

Toronto's pride week is the last week of June and the parade is always on the Sunday. I also think it's a bit much to suggest that young people shouldn't be taking pride in their sexuality just because they haven't paid bills yet. I know quite a few gay people from my small hick town who looked forward to Toronto pride week and going to the parade because it was finally somewhere they didn't have to hide their sexuality or act reserved.

Quick google search reveals SF's pride days are June 29-30, a Saturday and Sunday. Seattle's is on June 24th (Sunday). Louisville's is June 14-15 (Friday/Saturday). New York's is the last Sunday in June. LA, Sunday May 19th. Houston, last Saturday in June. Halifax, July 27th (Saturday). I'll give you the family friendly bit because it could probably be worked on but it seems that most of them are on the weekend. There's also what Cody posted, it's not a stretch that people living in the city can get a day off work.
 
There are a few sides to this...

Gay bars don't have signs on the door saying "no straight people" (that I've seen. And no, I'm not a regular), but you can bet there are a few bars about where gay people aren't welcome. These rallies are the same.

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I'm sure it's not common, but I've been turned away from a gay bar because I'm not gay. Couldn't decide if it was for our own safety (I was with another guy), or the guy on the door thought we were there to kick off. Truth is it'd been a long day on the road, it was nearing closing time, the place looked alright, and all we wanted was a quick pint... either way he clocked we weren't gay and 'suggested' we found somewhere else.

It wasn't really a big problem, but I thought it was odd - this was in Brighton.
 
You probably weren't wearing any gold lamé. Major party foul.


But seriously, I've heard stories like this once or twice and it's not only rare, it's also extremely frowned upon. The couple of examples I know of ended in incredibly rapid doorman dismissal. And rightly so. Gay bars are some of the most inclusive places there are, Canal Street in Manchester is primarily known as the 'gay village' area, but on nights out you find whole cross-sections of societies there, people young, old, gay, straight, single white male, loud herd of hen-party concubines etc. I can only apologise.
 
I'm sure it's not common, but I've been turned away from a gay bar because I'm not gay. Couldn't decide if it was for our own safety (I was with another guy), or the guy on the door thought we were there to kick off. Truth is it'd been a long day on the road, it was nearing closing time, the place looked alright, and all we wanted was a quick pint... either way he clocked we weren't gay and 'suggested' we found somewhere else.

Bars and clubs that turn straight people away generally have fetish interests going on behind doors. I've been to some places along these lines, and got to see suspensions (people suspended by hooks in skin) first hand and some other interesting things that most people would likely find unsettling.
 
I once went into a gay bar with my girl in Amsterdam, this was back when she was still a bit innocent in her mind, there was a wall with mail slots in it... I instantly knew what was going on behind that wall, and told my girl she had to take a look through one of the slots.

Seeing 6 men going at it first shocked her, she turned pale, but after a drink she went back to the peep slots to check out the action. :lol:

I love my country. :D
 
Or maybe he was looking out for you... Who knows, maybe he had good intents and you would have regretted going in there.

Looking out for him? How would the doorman have any clue, just by looking at someone, whether they were gay or not or that they would need looking out for?

Bars and clubs that turn straight people away generally have fetish interests going on behind doors. I've been to some places along these lines, and got to see suspensions (people suspended by hooks in skin) first hand and some other interesting things that most people would likely find unsettling.

Isn't turning straight people away when there are fetish nights, also discrimination? Aren't they assuming that because someone is straight and not gay, that they must have certain sexual inclinations or dislikes?
 
Bars and clubs that turn straight people away generally have fetish interests going on behind doors. I've been to some places along these lines, and got to see suspensions (people suspended by hooks in skin) first hand and some other interesting things that most people would likely find unsettling.

I have no idea how it works in the US but over here fetish clubs are the most relaxed, open places you can be. The only rule is no 'street clothes'. Are they really suggesting that only gay people can be into kinky stuff?
 
I have no idea how it works in the US but over here fetish clubs are the most relaxed, open places you can be. The only rule is no 'street clothes'. Are they really suggesting that only gay people can be into kinky stuff?

No, its more the combination of gay and kinky when people in street clothes want to get in without someone they know. The atmospheres in the ones I've been in have been quite relaxed, but I did get a funny look from the doorman till my friend said I was fine and then it was all just okay.
 
Put these things on a Saturday afternoon and make it kid friendly and then I might believe you have something to be proud of, other than your willingness to fight for your cause.

I'd have to agree with that. Kids are the ones we need to make the most aware that your sexuality doesn't matter, and that it's okay to be gay/straight/whatever, because they're the ones that matter; they're the ones that will be the driving force on whether or not the world moves passed it's bigotry regarding gays (amongst other things).

Problem is you can't really let your kids go to the gay pride parades because the majority of them are half naked men (and sometimes fully nude) and people in crazy/weird costumes with loads of makeup on (not entirely not kid friendly, but I'll explain why I mentioned this further down). Just google gay pride if you don't believe me.

A group of half naked anything isn't exactly kid friendly and I honestly don't really see what wearing nothing but a speedo or ridiculous costumes has to do with being gay. It makes more sense to me that having everyone dress as they would everyday to emphasize that they are no different from everyone else would be a much more productive way to go about gaining acceptance from (mostly) the next generation, not flaunting their genitalia. To a child or someone rather ignorant (not saying that as an insult) the big ol' group of speedo/costume wearing men might very well make them seem different, which is exactly what they're trying to fight against.
 
A group of half naked anything isn't exactly kid friendly

The beach is full of them, and kids too.

I've never seen full nudity on a gay pride day. Never. And we have them for a while now. And I've seen a lot of kids with their parents watching the parades.
 
Before I continue, I should point out I feel this way about pretty much everything extracurricular, from protests/rallies to school-based activities. Don't expect me to show up for school fundraising activities at 2:00 on a Thursday.

Judging much? Can almost feel the Ron Swanson being channeled here.

A lot of people don't work an 8-5, M-F shift, and a lot more can certainly get a day off during the week if they are successful as well. Then you look at the much more flexible nature of working in the tech industry, which is heavy in cities like Seattle and San Francisco, and you're really just starting to make assumptions.
You forgot to read past just the work hours part (and to be honest midnight or whatever still wouldn't get an 8-5 crowd there unless they have time to get dinner and get to bed afterward), regarding the taking time off stuff; I haven't been able to leave work without being always within reach by my phone for work or involved with family responsibilities.

Which leads me to the fact that weekend scheduling is not the only stipulation I stated. It also needs to be kid friendly. And while some of the more outrageous things seen at gay pride events are part of that point it also applies to plain religious or political activism events. Locally we've had cases of speakers cursing to get the crowd worked up, people who disagree arguing and fighting, and so forth. If you want me to think you should be proud then act accordingly.

I also think it's a bit much to suggest that young people shouldn't be taking pride in their sexuality just because they haven't paid bills yet.
If by pride you mean self-respect for being themselves, sure. But then every adolescent should be able to and few do. I just had an idea! Nerd Pride events! I can see it now, a giant baking soda volcano float, young people in lab coats holding flasks boiling over with dry ice gas, model rockets launching, cosplaying astronauts, parade balloons of the planets (with Pluto coming up 500 feet behind the parade), and a massive Tesla coil powering it all.

If you mean the high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, that should be earned. Otherwise it is just bordering on narcissism, which isn't uncommon in many young people in these days of instant gratification.

In short, if you can puff out your chest before your brain is completely developed then get off my lawn.

Quick google search reveals SF's pride days are June 29-30, a Saturday and Sunday. Seattle's is on June 24th (Sunday). Louisville's is June 14-15 (Friday/Saturday). New York's is the last Sunday in June. LA, Sunday May 19th. Houston, last Saturday in June. Halifax, July 27th (Saturday). I'll give you the family friendly bit because it could probably be worked on but it seems that most of them are on the weekend. There's also what Cody posted, it's not a stretch that people living in the city can get a day off work.
And I know gay couples with kids who won't go to the one in Louisville, because they have kids they are responsible for. They are not kid-friendly events. The most they will do are the activities at their church after the Saturday night service because those will be reserved and family-oriented. I'd go with them to that, if it weren't scheduled on my birthday weekend.
 

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