The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[Villain]

Gay is wrong. It is sin. God did not make Adam and Adam or eve and eve. He made man and woman. God will not give you something that will condemn you to hell. Gay is choice period.

Who let you out from under that bridge?

 

[Keef]

He has to be trolling...

No, actually he sounds like a textbook bible thumper. Not that the practice of informing everyone that they're lesser mortals than yourself is bad - I'm not judging, I'm just telling the truth.

 

[Famine]

Gay is wrong. It is sin. God did not make Adam and Adam or eve and eve. He made man and woman. God will not give you something that will condemn you to hell. Gay is choice period.

Are you Jewish?

 

[arvore]

Nah, he just joined this Clan:

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[buggs1a]

I never judged in my statement. I only spoke truth. Saying someone is not saved or calling someone not saved when they already said as much is not judging. I have put no one down nor called anyone less then me yet you guys have put me and all Christians down because you do not agree and do not believe in Jesus.

I can quote bible as you did me, to show how God views homosexuality and you would still put me down. I only spoke truth and as non belivers you don't agree and call me names and put me down.

Take care.

Oh yeah. Famine, I am not Jewish. Im just a man of 36 yrs who made Jesus my lord and saviour years ago.

 

[Famine]

I never judged in my statement. I only spoke truth. Saying someone is not saved or calling someone not saved when they already said as much is not judging. I have put no one down nor called anyone less then me yet you guys have put me and all Christians down because you do not agree and do not believe in Jesus.

I can quote bible as you did me, to show how God views homosexuality and you would still put me down. I only spoke truth and as non belivers you don't agree and call me names and put me down.

Take care.

Oh yeah. Famine, I am not Jewish. Im just a man of 36 yrs who made Jesus my lord and saviour years ago.

That's interesting. From what you quoted as your reason why homosexuality is wrong I'd have put you down as Jewish. I'm not aware of anything in Christian scripture that could possibly lead you to the conclusion that homosexuality is wrong. Perhaps you can enlighten us?

 

[arvore]

.I can quote bible as you did me, to show how God views homosexuality and you would still put me down.

Not God, if there is one, but the men who supposedly spoke\wrote on His name...

I only spoke truth and as non belivers you don't agree and call me names and put me down.

Now You're sounding like a Mujaheedin!

FWIW, no one called You names...I just mocked You for expressing, what I believe to be, a ridiculous opinion, therefore mockable(I hope the word exists), and against Human Rights...those are sacred the rest is nonsense!

 

[Joel]

I never judged in my statement. I only spoke truth. Saying someone is not saved or calling someone not saved when they already said as much is not judging. I have put no one down nor called anyone less then me yet you guys have put me and all Christians down because you do not agree and do not believe in Jesus.

I can quote bible as you did me, to show how God views homosexuality and you would still put me down. I only spoke truth and as non belivers you don't agree and call me names and put me down.

Take care.

Oh yeah. Famine, I am not Jewish. Im just a man of 36 yrs who made Jesus my lord and saviour years ago.

I'm just going to paste my response to someone else from a short while ago.

What does it matter (if God says it's wrong)? I don't believe in God, so why are you trying to force other people to conform to your religion? Even if you don't want to count atheism, what about Reform Judaism? There's some Reform Jewish Synagogues that allow homosexual couples, and some that even allow a marriage service to be performed. Who's to say that your interpretation of your holy text is right, and their interpretation is wrong? Who's to say there even is a God?

Trying to use religion to make laws is an absolutely horrible idea.

 

[buggs1a]

Famine, the bible talks about why it is wrong. That is Christian scripture. God views it as sin, wrong, immoral, detestable an abomination etc. This is one reason he destroyed sodom and gamorah.

Most who don't believe will put us down. They will not believe thus disagree with most things in the bible. The bible is Gods word given to us through man. Inspired by the holy spirit.

I'm not putting anyone down, not throwing quotes at anyone. I'm not in anyway pushing anyone nor am I above anyone etc. I'm sharing and expressing myself, nothing more.

I don't appreciate people/non Christian putting me down or mocking me etc. However I don't fight or do the same to others.

I like to share and open up to people. That's all. I prefer to be kind, gentle, humble and loving. Of course I struggle with all of that.

Take care.

Here's one.

Corinthians 6:9 9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous [1] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, [2] (ESV) Footnotes [1] 6:9 Or wrongdoers [2] 6:9 The two Greek terms translated by this phrase refer to the passive and active partners in consensual homosexual acts.

Anyway. Take care.

I'm done.

 

[Joel]

Buggs, I have a couple things to say.

Like I said above, what about Reform Judaism? They have the same God as you, and don't have a problem with Gay marriage.

I'm assuming you think gay marriage and homosexual acts should be illegal?

 

[buggs1a]

I don't know anything about Judaism. So I can't say anything to that. I only know that whatever God says is,is. Meaning whatever God/Jesus says is wrong is wrong and good is good no matter what man says or how we think or feel. Even if I like something that God doesn't, doesn't mean its good.

I do agree with God about marriage should be between a man and woman. As I mentioned before, God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Adam etc. And I know what he says about sexual sin and morality.

God loves us so much he gave us free will. Even if that means we choose wrong or whatever and don't choose him. So we have free will and choice. And being Christian is actually harder then not in my opinion. So for me, I have a very hard time with certain stuff

Sorry. That was more then a direct answer to your question.

I would like to say I enjoy talking about God and sharing, but I prefer for it to be done in love and kindness and gentleness without criticism and bad mean stuff. Like I prefer we be friends and two friends just having a gentle conversation.

Noob, yer photo reminds me of a younger Dave Gahan.

 

[Joel]

Well, he's probably younger, that's (23 year old) Montréal Canadiens (NHL) goalie Carey Price in my picture

But on the topic at hand, what I meant to say with Judaism, is how can you say that your interpretation of what God says is right, and theirs isn't? Also, I think if I were God, I'd have more important things to worry about than who and how people have sex.

 

[PureAwesomeness]

Here's one.

Corinthians 6:9 9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous [1] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, [2] (ESV) Footnotes [1] 6:9 Or wrongdoers [2] 6:9 The two Greek terms translated by this phrase refer to the passive and active partners in consensual homosexual acts.

Anyway. Take care.

So it sounds like lesbians are ok then

 

[drivehard]

I only know that whatever God says is,is. Meaning whatever God/Jesus says is wrong is wrong and good is good no matter what man says or how we think or feel. Even if I like something that God doesn't, doesn't mean its good.

A dangerous man cured by christianity!

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

I only know that whatever God says is,is.

God says not to double post, punishment by smiting.

I find it strange that even though you may like things, you restrict yourself from them due to the words of your Lord?

I'm a Buddhist so same-sex relationships are fine by me, so long as no harm is being done. The only situation that divides me on this subject is when a father/mother disowns their son/daughter due to them choosing a same-sex partner.

On the one hand it is the choice of the son/daughter who they form sexual relationships with, but on the other I understand that others are quick to mock and assume that something must have 'gone wrong' during childhood for them to make this 'unnatural' choice.

 

[LeftyWright69]

The abortionist think that life begins once the umbilical is cut, the animal rights psycos think that animals are more divine then man kind, the eco maniacs think that plants and rocks should have rights, the global warming freaks think that bovine flatulations need to be controlled, the communist think that they can hide under the fig leaf of the global warming movement, etc … etc… etc.

What do fracture groups like these have in common? Maybe a lack of common sense. Now the homo question. Good bad natural un natural, who knows. If evolution is the argument against intelligent design then one would have to logically say that man is at least equal to the animal world. We all must have evolved equally but in different time lines right?

When were are gone then some other life form will be the dominant apex predator, but at this time we are the current rulers of the earth and the dinosaurs are the losers. We know that about 10% of the population is gay so there must have been gay dinosaurs. It’s suppose to be natural right so you can extrapolate the obvious right? We can’t be the only natural species that has switch hitters can we?

If it happened to us then our replacement must also have those tendencies or it would be unnatural right? I just keep looking for those gay animals to get a heads up on who is going to replace us. Maybe it will be the monkeys and apes like the movie Planet of the Apes. They are basically our genetic equal right?

Maybe it’s the dogs, they sure don’t mind sticking there noses in some freaky places you know.

Looks like another alternative lifestyle to me........

 

[Mr. CoolFiat]

Oh, the Evangelicals (eg. Buggs1a).
They tick me off with their controversial subjects, outdated and obsolete.

 

[Famine]

Famine, the bible talks about why it is wrong. That is Christian scripture. God views it as sin, wrong, immoral, detestable an abomination etc. This is one reason he destroyed sodom and gamorah.

If you believe Jesus is your Lord and Saviour and died for all our sins, you'll know that the fables laid out in the Old Testament - or the Jewish Tanakh - are considered apocryphal. That Jesus washed away all the old "sins" and reset the sinclock.

Thus invoking Sodom and Gomorrah, the cleanliness code of Leviticus or any part of the Tanakh is nonsensical from a Christian point of view - though it is at least consistent with a Jewish viewpoint.

After all, I'd assume you don't decry people who eat prawns or wear tattoos as non-saved sinners - do you?

Most who don't believe will put us down. They will not believe thus disagree with most things in the bible. The bible is Gods word given to us through man. Inspired by the holy spirit.

I'm not putting anyone down, not throwing quotes at anyone. I'm not in anyway pushing anyone nor am I above anyone etc. I'm sharing and expressing myself, nothing more.

I don't appreciate people/non Christian putting me down or mocking me etc. However I don't fight or do the same to others.

Here's the deal. You just said that [people in a given group] are [phrase with negative connotations]. You can't expect everyone to be particularly happy about that surely? Responding that others are saying [people in your given group] are [phrase with negative connotations] and it's unfair is naivety at best and hypocrisy at worst.

Not everyone shares in your specific interpretation of your specific belief of your specific belief-set. If you're sharing and expressing your opinion, you should allow others that right too.

Corinthians 6:9 9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous [1] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, [2] (ESV) Footnotes [1] 6:9 Or wrongdoers [2] 6:9 The two Greek terms translated by this phrase refer to the passive and active partners in consensual homosexual acts.

Several points here.

First, apparently the English Standard Version doesn't believe in female homosexuals, so it looks like Eve and Eve get off scot-free. Got to wonder why God forgot that girls can touch girls... Still, if you don't like that version, there's always other versions. KJV includes "abusers of themselves with mankind" and the "effeminate". Touched yourself or done any impressions of girls lately? The BiBE version adds on people who are "less than a man". So... women aren't allowed in? Or does only Evel Knievel get the gig? Luckily, the World English Bible version pops up with a catchall "homosexuals". Yay for WEB! But then Douay-Rhiems makes no mention of them - "Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers" - and Weymouth is similarly vague on the gay front - "Cherish no delusion here. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor any who are guilty of unnatural crime".

Which leads us onto the second point. Do you read classical Greek? The first Epistle to the Corinthians was written in classical Greek nearly 2,000 years since. Above are six examples, each of which is considerably different to the others, of translations of a single sentence of classical Greek, into English, by people who could read classical Greek and English. If they're that different in one sentence, how different can they be over the entire letter? So which is the right one? Why are the others wrong?

For your reference:
"Do you not know that unrighteous men will not inherit God's Kingdom? Cherish no delusion here. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor any who are guilty of unnatural crime"
"Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers"
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality"
"Have you not knowledge that evil-doers will have no part in the kingdom of God? Have no false ideas about this: no one who goes after the desires of the flesh, or gives worship to images, or is untrue when married, or is less than a man, or makes a wrong use of men"
"Or don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals"

One would assume the Greek Orthodox church to have the best handle on this one. Are you Greek Orthodox?

And lastly, the most important point of all... Corinthians is not claimed as the Word of God, unlike the Gospels. It's a letter written by St. Paul (probably) in Greek from Ephesus in Turkey to the people of Corinth. It is essentially a treatise seeking to convince people to change their ways to better follow Christianity - much as you're doing here. Sadly, Paul also perverted the Tanakh for his own purposes - remember, not even the Ten Commandments were still valid once Jesus was "conceived" and the sinclock reset. Jesus's teachings didn't include "thou shalt not" nor "shall be an abomination to you", but an urge to be nice to everyone - even those who hate you.


So. Do you got anything better than that? You might want to read through the previous 1,300 posts before you respond, for reference, since you are really just retreading old ground, long-since abandoned by others.

 

[PeterJB]

Here's one.

Corinthians 6:9 9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous [1] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, [2] (ESV) Footnotes [1] 6:9 Or wrongdoers [2] 6:9 The two Greek terms translated by this phrase refer to the passive and active partners in consensual homosexual acts.

Anyway. Take care.

But how can we be sure that it was God prohibiting homosexuality and not the society of that time? The Ten Commandments are all on the subjects of acts that we can do at will. Whereas homosexuality is out of our control. You cannot simply ask someone to 'turn straight' and expect it to happen anytime soon. The acts people might do with other homosexuals can be done at will, but the feelings and desires will not.

 

[arvore]

@buggs1a:

Look, You can believe anything You want, I respect that!
What I cannot respect is when Your personal believes interfere with other person's individual freedom to choose their own personal sexual orientation.(between two consensual adults)
Right there is where Your freedom of religion stops, when colliding to other's freedom to their sexual orientation.


As others already pointed out, there are other interpretations of "Gods word". All written by men.
In the name of God, and religion, the worst atrocities were committed against innocent people through out History(just recently we saw,in the name of the written word of God in the Koran-or better in name of the interpretation of that word made by some man- women and children being slaughtered).

So go on believing in those MEN that tell You what God thinks and says, instead of wondering, if there where to be a God and He had created all things, would He be worried with people of the same genre loving each other( he was the Creator, right, he could have made coitus between man-because that's really what is all about isn't it? , You even quoted one part of the Scriptures that refers specifically to that-physically impossible:idea:

Just don't try to impose those believes on others and telling them what can or can't do!


@Lefty:

Man, only You would make me laugh right now with that vision of Gay Dinosaurs

 

[ExigeEvan]

I was reading "Dead men Risen", a British account of the Welsh Guards in Helmand, Afghanistan and there was something that surprised me.

Both Christianity and Islam, which are bother firmly homophobic, have a proven history in the homosexual abuse of younger men/children. Much like the countless controversies of the Christian church abusing young boys it is widely accepted that unmarried Muslim men in many cultures will share a vulnerable younger male for their sexual exploits.

And that's what amazes me about the homophobic religions, it seems to be okay as long as one side is being taken advantage of.

 

[Famine]

And that's what amazes me about the homophobic religions, it seems to be okay as long as one side is being taken advantage of.

Or it's fine because the books say a man shouldn't have sex with another man, so kids are fair game.

 

[buggs1a]

I'm sorry people bash me and come down on me I'm sorry people think I'm pushing on others. I'm not and never have here. I'm sorry non Christians hate us so much and think all sorts of bad things about us. I'm sorry you guys don't understand the bible but you can't without the holy spirit. It's meant to be that way for we must come to God by faith and then things are made clear. I'm sorry guys. I only came in here to give an answer to the threads question, not to be dumped on, mocked, put down slammed etc. But that's what has happened. I now think why bother to share god and his love when all that happens is I am attacked and ridiculed and all bad things. Sheese.

 

[Denur]

I'm sorry people bash me and come down on me I'm sorry people think I'm pushing on others. I'm not and never have here. I'm sorry non Christians hate us so much and think all sorts of bad things about us. I'm sorry you guys don't understand the bible but you can't without the holy spirit. It's meant to be that way for we must come to God by faith and then things are made clear. I'm sorry guys. I only came in here to give an answer to the threads question, not to be dumped on, mocked, put down slammed etc. But that's what has happened. I now think why bother to share god and his love when all that happens is I am attacked and ridiculed and all bad things. Sheese.

I do believe you mean well. But it is not easy to be part of a misunderstood minority, isn't it?

 

[Luminis]

I'm sorry non Christians hate us so much and think all sorts of bad things about us.

Isn't that exactly what a lot of homosexuals have to put up with?

 

[buggs1a]

As I said before, being Christian is harder then not. At least for me. And I think one reason Christianity is misunderstood is because some people don't have the faith needed to come to Jesus, so they can't understand. Plus one area that makes it harder is all of the hypocrits that are Christian. Some don't live proper and some really do try to force themselves on others. Some in the church give us a bad view because they are abusing children and teaching falsely. Those people may not even really be saved. Plus you have the media.

If a Christian lived and acted how we should then others might view us different. I don't live or act as I should always but when I don't I always feel bad and get on myself because I know better. I put myself down a lot. I know my heart and who I am inside. But I have a very hard time letting that out.

Also Satan hates God so he will try to deceive people saved and not. He will try to blind some and lie etc.

I agree it is hard to believe in God who you can't see, hear etc. That's where faith comes in.

God sees sex as awesome and perfect. Between a married man and woman. He gave us sex. But we should go about sex his way. He gave boundaries to protect us. If everyone saved themselves for when they are married then everyone is more safe and protected. It means more and is special. Man and man or woman and woman is not safe because of all the medical issues and how its just not how God intended sex. But we all have free will and choice so we can choose.

I prefer to love and be gentle. I'm not always, but I prefer to be this way. I have my views and beliefs and opinions. I do like to share and sadly I can push a bit. Sadly sometimes I get angry when others don't agree but I don't like that I do that. I want to love and get along with others. I like to share but don't like conflict.

Hopefully people could see me as good intentioned and soft and gentle but if they don't then ok. I think I'm defending myself because I feel bad and rejected here and I don't want that. I wish we all would love each other and be friends. Plus I'm very emotional and sad.

People should not judge and should not come down on homosexuals improperly. I should love them and not judge them. And I think it sucks homosexuals are treated so badly. I disagree with it but I should still love them. Sadly I'm not loving to them as I should. I admit I don't like homosexuality and have judged and not loved. I know this is wrong and I know its not right. I admit this. I also want to stop this and love them as I know I should.

 

[drivehard]

I'm sorry people bash me and come down on me I'm sorry people think I'm pushing on others. I'm not and never have here. I'm sorry non Christians hate us so much and think all sorts of bad things about us. I'm sorry you guys don't understand the bible but you can't without the holy spirit. It's meant to be that way for we must come to God by faith and then things are made clear. I'm sorry guys. I only came in here to give an answer to the threads question, not to be dumped on, mocked, put down slammed etc. But that's what has happened. I now think why bother to share god and his love when all that happens is I am attacked and ridiculed and all bad things. Sheese.

You are not the victim. You are the tyrant!

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

People should not judge and should not come down on homosexuals improperly. I should love them and not judge them. And I think it sucks homosexuals are treated so badly. I disagree with it but I should still love them. Sadly I'm not loving to them as I should. I admit I don't like homosexuality and have judged and not loved. I know this is wrong and I know its not right. I admit this. I also want to stop this and love them as I know I should.

If a religion does not allow you to love everyone equally, I think you should seek one that does.
We are all brothers - A friend currently serving in Afghanistan once said to me that he does not hate the Taliban, even though he is expected to end their lives and they shoot at him with intention to kill him and plant bombs to try to blow him up daily.
He helped me understand that they have grown up being told that the U.S and Europe are the enemy that want to take their land from them, destroy their faith and kill their families, it is all they know - Just as we (the coalition countries) are told that they are evil and out to terrorise the world.

Despite their actions (9/11, etc) he has not so much forgiven them, but avoided the temptation and peer-pressure to hate them (he was even beaten up by a gang of other soldiers due to this).
They have their path and he has his - nothing will change this so hating (and I quote) 'Hating makes you blind.
As soon as you start hating your energy and attention goes into channeling anger towards the people you are allowing yourself to hate, only serving to breed more hate into the world. You are wasting the very energy that makes life so incredible on hating your fellow man.'

It is the same case for homosexual people. Until recently homosexuality was always seen as bad and wrong, only around to cause trouble and upset. What others forget is that everyone has their own path in life. Whether you agree with it or not, you do not take responsibility for whatever possible consequences that their choice might have - that is their concern. Just be happy and embrace them for being true to themselves, instead of living a hollow lie like so many do due to fear of being the easily-alienated minority.

 

[icelt]

(your commentary in general)

If I were to sum up "good Christians" in one sentence it would be they follow this ONE simple philosophy, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

So if you decide, for whatever rationalization and/or justification, to claim that someone else different from you is categorically a "sinner" and therefore upon death will be eternally "banished to hell" then don't be so surprised when someone else makes some choice comments about your unique personality traits. Just sayin'.

 

[buggs1a]

Yep. Jesus teaches us all, all people to love everyone unconditionally and to forgive unconditionally just as he loves us unconditionally and forgives us too.

Yes we/i should love all.